Extremely happy they protected Sharangovich and McLeod over Johnsson.

If I had a guess I'd say Butcher is Seattles pick and since he didn't seem to be someone Ruff wanted to use in any situation it won't affect the team going forward. Will be very interesting if they take Subban though. That would put us around 19 million under the floor with very little needed to be resigned.
- smellmyfinger

Yeah i assume they take Butcher as well, but i think if they take Johnsson theres a good chance it makes us look pretty dumb. Hes one the biggest bounce back candidates in the entire league next season and wouldnt shock me if hes a 40+ point player. Hes due for some real regression, so lets see if its Seattle or us who reaps the benefits

Yeah i assume they take Butcher as well, but i think if they take Johnsson theres a good chance it makes us look pretty dumb. Hes one the biggest bounce back candidates in the entire league next season and wouldnt shock me if hes a 40+ point player. Hes due for some real regression, so lets see if its Seattle or us who reaps the benefits
- vlongo4419

You realize regression means “get worse”.... progression for your point makes a little more sense... ☺️

You realize regression means “get worse”.... progression for your point makes a little more sense... ☺️
- Banana_Hammock

No, what i said is correct. Its called positive regression, aka regression to the mean. His percentages will regress closer to normal.

Progression involves improvement, which is not what im saying

No, what i said is correct. Its called positive regression, aka regression to the mean. His percentages will regress closer to normal.

Progression involves improvement, which is not what im saying
- vlongo4419

“Return to a former or less developed state”... keep it simple, progression. Johnnsson is nothing more than an inflated player because of his former leafs teammates...

“Return to a former or less developed state”... keep it simple, progression. Johnnsson is nothing more than an inflated player because of his former leafs teammates...
- Banana_Hammock

Yes, the return to a former developed state. Literally the definition, its used all the time. But anyway, its okay thay you're just a box score/stat watcher and have that opinion.

Yes, the return to a former developed state. Literally the definition, its used all the time. But anyway, its okay thay you're just a box score/stat watcher and have that opinion.
- vlongo4419

It’s unfortunate you think everything you post on here is “right”. Stop reading so much Alex chauvancy and the hockey writers, develop your own brain and try watching hockey yourself instead.

It’s unfortunate you think everything you post on here is “right”. Stop reading so much Alex chauvancy and the hockey writers, develop your own brain and try watching hockey yourself instead.
- Banana_Hammock

Says the guy who apparently doesn't know how to use regression in a sentence. Just stop. There's plenty of people writing why losing Johnsson would be a mistake. You clearly dont understand analytics or just choose to ingore them "bEcAuSe PoInTs". I also dont always think im right, i just actually use my brain and like to dig deeper into things before spouting an opinion without any actual information. So there is a lot of facts and data to back up my statements, not just recency bias or box score watching

Also, that Alex absolutely right on this one if he said that. I havent seen it so idk

Says the guy who apparently doesn't know how to use regression in a sentence. Just stop. There's plenty of people writing why losing Johnsson would be a mistake. You clearly dont understand analytics or just choose to ingore them "bEcAuSe PoInTs".

Also, that Alex absolutely right on this one if he said that. I havent seen it so idk
- vlongo4419

Right, the regression definition you chopped in half, 2 meanings. Be a little more vague why don’t you instead of using a proper term without debate.

And plenty writing losing johnnsson is a mistake? Again, divulge your own opinion instead of writers who never watched a leafs game outside of Canada. Not trying to be a d***, but you cannot handle any criticism to a post, hard way to live.

Right, the regression definition you chopped in half, 2 meanings. Be a little more vague why don’t you instead of using a proper term without debate.

And plenty writing losing johnnsson is a mistake? Again, divulge your own opinion instead of writers who never watched a leafs game outside of Canada. Not trying to be a d***, but you cannot handle any criticism to a post, hard way to live.
- Banana_Hammock

Its not my fault you apparently dont have the proper reading comprehension to understand what is widely understood by most. Sorry about that.

I can take criticism pretty well, but only if you people can provide actual reasons to their point. You just havent give me any data or anything to back up your statement that Johnsson was just a product of his teammates in Toronto. Other than points. So give me some? Because i can give you plenty on why he will bounce back and has a very high chance to return to being a decent middle 6 winger.

Its not my fault you apparently dont have the proper reading comprehension to understand what is widely understood by most. Sorry about that.

I can take criticism pretty well, but only if you people can provide actual reasons to their point. You just havent give me any data or anything to back up your statement that Johnsson was just a product of his teammates in Toronto. Other than points. So give me some? Because i can give you plenty on why he will bounce back and has a very high chance to return to being a decent middle 6 winger.
- vlongo4419

It’s a blog, not a debate as you always turn it into. And, without knowing me, you “assumingely” think I know nothing and mock my intelligence level you have no idea about. Again, as these blogs always go with you running your mouth, you’re “always right” and you’ll debate consistently to no end. You can’t even accept the full definition of the word “regression”, because you’re always right. I’ll take the high road and walk, my point has been clearly made so you can make the last post as you always do. I’m not going into this johnnsson debate, (your next post will state because I know nothing as you’re trending to do), I’m not here on this blog looking for ways to waste time like yourself, cheers.

It’s a blog, not a debate as you always turn it into. And, without knowing me, you “assumingely” think I know nothing and mock my intelligence level you have no idea about. Again, as these blogs always go with you running your mouth, you’re “always right” and you’ll debate consistently to no end. You can’t even accept the full definition of the word “regression”, because you’re always right. I’ll take the high road and walk, my point has been clearly made so you can make the last post as you always do. I’m not going into this johnnsson debate, (your next post will state because I know nothing as you’re trending to do), I’m not here on this blog looking for ways to waste time like yourself, cheers.
- Banana_Hammock

So you dont actually have any arguments then? I want to have a conversation on these things, because i have all of my points ready to go and it seems like some people who comment on this site are always ill-informed. Im always down to have a conversation and i always bring data to back up my points, yet nobody else does ever does.

I mean you say hes a product of the talent in Toronto, yet all of his analytics/iso-impact numbers are almost equal or are just flat out better this season compared to best season in Toronto, away from all that talent. So i want to know why you think what you think

I mean you say hes a product of the talent in Toronto, yet all of his analytics/iso-impact numbers are almost equal or are just flat out better this season compared to best season in Toronto, away from all that talent. So i want to know why you think what you think
- vlongo4419

Ok, I’ll chew on that one as you just turned into a hypocrite. You called me the stats/scoreboard watcher, yet all you got is the “analytics” on him from his Toronto days? Come on man...

Ok, I’ll chew on that one as you just turned into a hypocrite. You called me the stats/scoreboard watcher, yet all you got is the “analytics” on him from his Toronto days? Come on man...
- Banana_Hammock

I have both, from this toronto days and this past season. Not hard to find. So again, you have nothing to back up your statement?

I have both, from this toronto days and this past season. Not hard to find. So again, you have nothing to back up your statement?
- vlongo4419

You have analytics from 2 teams, so you just admitted, you really have no idea who Andreas johnnsson was before he was traded... good on you.

You have analytics from 2 teams, so you just admitted, you really have no idea who Andreas johnnsson was before he was traded... good on you.
- Banana_Hammock

LOL what the hell are you talking about? I have the analytics from both teams to show you that he had the same, or better, on-ice impacts this season with much less talent around him as he had from his best season in Toronto where he was supposedly carried by their stars and a product of that. Which is why he is due for regression.

LOL what the hell are you talking about? I have the analytics from both teams to show you that he had the same, or better, on-ice impacts this season with much less talent around him as he had from his best season in Toronto where he was supposedly carried by their stars and a product of that. Which is why he is due for regression.
- vlongo4419

You never watched him play, all you got is analytics. Give it up. And you call me the stats/scoreboard watcher...

You never watched him play, all you got is analytics. Give it up. And you call me the stats/scoreboard watcher...
- Banana_Hammock

I did watch him play, a lot actually. I watch most of the NHL every single year, and the analytics match/back up the eye test. Still, here we are and you havent given anything to back up your statement

I did watch him play, a lot actually. I watch most of the NHL every single year, and the analytics match/back up the eye test. Still, here we are and you havent given anything to back up your statement
- vlongo4419

You watched next to nothing of johnnsson in Toronto, otherwise your argument would be different. Just analytics, blah blah blah

I feel strongly both ways

Yeah i assume they take Butcher as well, but i think if they take Johnsson theres a good chance it makes us look pretty dumb. Hes one the biggest bounce back candidates in the entire league next season and wouldnt shock me if hes a 40+ point player. Hes due for some real regression, so lets see if its Seattle or us who reaps the benefits
- vlongo4419

I see quite a few people (Todd most recently on twitter) making the case for Johnsson to bounce back. I'm not so sure I agree though. Obviously I didn't see him in Toronto as much as in NJ but when I look at him in Toronto I see a PDO over 100 and O-Zone starts of 56.9% and 62.6%. Just seems like he may have been sheltered in a strong forward group in Toronto. Watching him in NJ he looked weak, pushed to the ice, pushed into losing puck battles or turning pucks over, etc. Smaller players in the NHL either have to be very creative, have exceptional skating skills/hands or the speed to overcome what they lack in strength. I just didn't see that in NJ from him. Obviously if Seattle passes on him I hope I'm wrong and if Seattle takes him I hope I'm right, lol.

I feel strongly both ways
- shvingter88

I feel DOOMED.

I see quite a few people (Todd most recently on twitter) making the case for Johnsson to bounce back. I'm not so sure I agree though. Obviously I didn't see him in Toronto as much as in NJ but when I look at him in Toronto I see a PDO over 100 and O-Zone starts of 56.9% and 62.6%. Just seems like he may have been sheltered in a strong forward group in Toronto. Watching him in NJ he looked weak, pushed to the ice, pushed into losing puck battles or turning pucks over, etc. Smaller players in the NHL either have to be very creative, have exceptional skating skills/hands or the speed to overcome what they lack in strength. I just didn't see that in NJ from him. Obviously if Seattle passes on him I hope I'm wrong and if Seattle takes him I hope I'm right, lol.
- smellmyfinger

Well said. He’s soft as baby stool, will not, NOT go to a dirty place or go into a puck battle. The name of the game in Toronto... they haven’t won a playoff series since 04’ for a reason.

I see quite a few people (Todd most recently on twitter) making the case for Johnsson to bounce back. I'm not so sure I agree though. Obviously I didn't see him in Toronto as much as in NJ but when I look at him in Toronto I see a PDO over 100 and O-Zone starts of 56.9% and 62.6%. Just seems like he may have been sheltered in a strong forward group in Toronto. Watching him in NJ he looked weak, pushed to the ice, pushed into losing puck battles or turning pucks over, etc. Smaller players in the NHL either have to be very creative, have exceptional skating skills/hands or the speed to overcome what they lack in strength. I just didn't see that in NJ from him. Obviously if Seattle passes on him I hope I'm wrong and if Seattle takes him I hope I'm right, lol.
- smellmyfinger

Yeah i can definitely see it for sure. I wont make it an as excuse for him but he said he was having difficulties dealing with covid due to his asthma, so that certainly could have slowed him down a bit.

But i think a lot of it was just being unlucky, the same way it was with Jack. Most of Johnsson's analytical and iso-impact numbers were top 3 on the team among forwards(only behind Hughes and Bratt) and are just as good, if not even better, than what they were in Toronto. A lot of it was just finishing problems for both himself and his linemates. He didnt help himself either by shooting at a 7.7% clip compared to his average in Toronto of 13% where he was 10% or better every year. So the hope is that normalizes and he regresses back to the mean.

The chances and the strong underlying numbers are there, its just a matter of putting the puck in the back of the net, and having some more luck. Which is the issue for pretty much the entire team lol

The chances and the strong underlying numbers are there, its just a matter of putting the puck in the back of the net, and having some more luck. Which is the issue for pretty much the entire team lol
- vlongo4419

No it’s not. When guys like kuo and Shar have way better years on a team less talented than the Toronto maple Laffs, it speaks volumes.

No it’s not. When guys like kuo and Shar have way better years on a team less talented than the Toronto maple Laffs, it speaks volumes.
- Banana_Hammock

"No its not". Except it is........ lmao