It also depends on the type of team Francis wants to build. One thing for certain is he won't be selecting players like all the mock drafts are done, it's not like he is picking the best player he considers leftover from each team. He is trying to fulfill requirements, assets for flipping and in the other cases players he thinks will fit the identity of the team he wants to build.

My personal belief is JvR fits that bill, either with his size and PP abilities or possibly retaining some of his salary then sending him to another team for assets he feels works better. Fielding a team of low cost depth players is going to get him no where and there is an abundance of those.
- Glak18

Yes… and 100% believe Vegas set the mold. No way Seattle doesn’t try to win early. Not with the success and way rules set for new teams to compete right away. Jvr fits well in many scenarios. I can even see them taking ghost is they don’t get some puck moving dmen. Who knows how the puzzle fits. Honestly Jake could fit too. It will be interesting. Hopefully they don’t announce pick from philly right away. We will see the contracts as selected. If not a lot of cap taken the odds go up one of our contract get taken. If they come out the shoot announcing high salaries we know it’s a braun nak type. Xmas in July

can you live with 3-5 mil a year?
- 2Real

Depends… how many years? And do we get that Jones/Hamilton type too?

Term? 5M for 3 yrs or 3M for 5yrs?
- FlyersGrace

3-5 mil for 3 years is what i was thinking

I don't really consider Patrick a safe pick. If the Flyers didn't draft him the team would of been flamed for it, but fans/media would of gotten over it once everything we know got out.

The only problem I have with the pick is the known history and character of Patrick. The Flyers went out of their way to state that none of it was an issue, so now we know that either they were full of poop or extremely incompetent.
- Glak18

See I don’t think they would’ve gotten roasted. I think they would’ve been praised. If you remember too at the draft they traded b scheen. Huge uproar in arena when announced. But in interviews after a plan was layed by team and people warned to it quickly. Had they taken a miro or makar (bill even said some scouts were pounding table for miro) the team would’ve been touting him loudly. Fans would’ve quickly seen d is so important

I don't really consider Patrick a safe pick. If the Flyers didn't draft him the team would of been flamed for it, but fans/media would of gotten over it once everything we know got out.

The only problem I have with the pick is the known history and character of Patrick. The Flyers went out of their way to state that none of it was an issue, so now we know that either they were full of poop or extremely incompetent.
- Glak18

Yeah, NP wasn't even a choice. And that's the problem w/ picking at the top of the draft sometimes... the gap in perceived talent creates blind spots to possible red flags.

Top 10 of Provys draft was also can’t miss, see New Jersey. I was happy with Provorov at the time and can’t really complain much. I don’t think Werenski is a better player than him, tough to judge since they have different styles.
- ClaudeFather

I will admit I wanted provy first and if gone werenski at pick 8. When pick 8 came up and provy was still there I was literally yelling at the tv”run up there and take provorov don’t (frank) this up” so I’m on record lol

Yes… and 100% believe Vegas set the mold. No way Seattle doesn’t try to win early. Not with the success and way rules set for new teams to compete right away. Jvr fits well in many scenarios. I can even see them taking ghost is they don’t get some puck moving dmen. Who knows how the puzzle fits. Honestly Jake could fit too. It will be interesting. Hopefully they don’t announce pick from philly right away. We will see the contracts as selected. If not a lot of cap taken the odds go up one of our contract get taken. If they come out the shoot announcing high salaries we know it’s a braun nak type. Xmas in July
- Stayin alive

I personally think a lot of people are going to be disappointed thinking this ED is going to be anything like the Vegas one, same with Seattle's success. All the credit to McPhee doing what he did and some blame to the other GMs being a bit ignorant towards the process. Some of the moves McPhee made were incredible, but also lucky to a point.

I see Seattle being a bottom feeder for at least 5-10 years, maybe not expansion Ottawa bad, but maybe San Jose bad.

3-5 mil for 3 years is what i was thinking
- 2Real

Yes that’s fine pick up. Don’t think suter takes that tho. And if does he’s going to major cup contender.

Gotta be honest. I'm not really interested in anything Fletcher has to say at this point. I want to see action and lots of it!
- Phillywhiteout

Yep. This. Exactly this.

Can someone explain why Suter and Parise were bought out? The cap implications are insane.

Can someone explain why Suter and Parise were bought out? The cap implications are insane.
- ClaudeFather

New sheriff in town.

New sheriff in town.
- Glak18

They both had NMC which means that they had to be protected from Seattle. Seems crazy I know.

New sheriff in town.
- Glak18

So the NMC and being a new sheriff causes you to shoot your self in the foot cap wise ?

Can someone explain why Suter and Parise were bought out? The cap implications are insane.
- ClaudeFather

Other than protecting Dumba and having some space this year it makes very little sense. They are still cap strapped for three more years after this year. They also added cap for the four years that follow.

I definitely would have rode out the Suter deal. Parise was a no win for them.

They made the choice but I definitely would have handled it differently.

I've been listening to Zak Kindrachuk's "My Dad Used to Play Hockey" podcast all afternoon. I highly recommend it; especially for any of you who were around during the cup years.

Wow That is a LOT of dead cap space for quite a while.


https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild

They both had NMC which means that they had to be protected from Seattle. Seems crazy I know.
- FlyersGrace

Neither were even approached, even in the most casual way, about waiving NMCs.

O’Brien was certainly a reach where he was picked, not sure what your weird obsession with him is.
- ClaudeFather

He lives in Boston and saw EVERY game JOB played!

Can someone explain why Suter and Parise were bought out? The cap implications are insane.
- ClaudeFather

There massive cap savings next year plus allows them to protect another f and d in Ed. The dead cap space the following few season is still less than if they kept the players so there’s still cap space although not nearly as much as next season. Bottom line they have many young players and in their case to can absorb the dead cap space to an extent. They acknowledge they aren’t competing for cup in next 3 years so every little bit of cap space helps them retain their young players as their contracts come up. Maybe they could’ve waited a year or 2 to do buyouts? But then lose the Ed protection.

Other than protecting Dumba and having some space this year it makes very little sense. They are still cap strapped for three more years after this year. They also added cap for the four years that follow.

I definitely would have rode out the Suter deal. Parise was a no win for them.

They made the choice but I definitely would have handled it differently.
- mickel25

"“With all due respect, the Minnesota teams (of the past) they’ve been good teams it’s just been a bit of a struggle to get a little further in the playoffs, so my job is to try to make the team better and sometimes change is good and a lot of times it’s necessary,” Guerin said during an appearance on Hockey Central. “I’ve been trying not just to make my mark but to make some improvements. I’ve got a group of guys that I work with on a daily basis that help me and we (make) educated decisions. We’ve got a great pro scouting staff and a lot of great advice. We’re trying.”


What you are describing is a status quo logic. The kind that essentially maintains competitiveness and regular season standings. Guerin is aiming higher, and I personally applaud him for it.

I can see 4 years as that is what he had left. Say 5.5 per.

Depending on the term he can def help. No question about that.
- hello it's me 2050

he is 36!! WTF would you offer 4 years to a 36 y/o with tons of mileage on the body. Plus it would be a 35+ contract that if he retires you still have to deal with the cap hit.

That being said I can see cf offering something like that or even longer.

Wow That is a LOT of dead cap space for quite a while.


https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild
- MBFlyerfan

It’s really only for a few years the other years it’s minimal most teams carry some sort of dead cap space. They didn’t want to lose youth with expiring contracts. They biting the bullet. Not ideal by any means but propably smart move in the end

he is 36!! WTF would you offer 4 years to a 36 y/o with tons of mileage on the body. Plus it would be a 35+ contract that if he retires you still have to deal with the cap hit.

That being said I can see cf offering something like that or even longer.
- corduroy

Yep, my thoughts as well. I bet he gets offered a way longer term than is reasonable.

Can someone explain why Suter and Parise were bought out? The cap implications are insane.
- ClaudeFather

expansion draft and term. They both had NMC's and were signed until they were 40 . Minnesota now can protect two other players instead of old ass declining vets

"“With all due respect, the Minnesota teams (of the past) they’ve been good teams it’s just been a bit of a struggle to get a little further in the playoffs, so my job is to try to make the team better and sometimes change is good and a lot of times it’s necessary,” Guerin said during an appearance on Hockey Central. “I’ve been trying not just to make my mark but to make some improvements. I’ve got a group of guys that I work with on a daily basis that help me and we (make) educated decisions. We’ve got a great pro scouting staff and a lot of great advice. We’re trying.”


What you are describing is a status quo logic. The kind that essentially maintains competitiveness and regular season standings. Guerin is aiming higher, and I personally applaud him for it.
- PT21

But they gained very little. Keeping Dumba is a plus for sure. They removed the players but are basically saving nothing over the next three years. They did not even ask them to waive the NMC's.

That is bad management in my book. Other than keeping Dumba they did basically nothing with these two moves. I get it's a flashy move but offers very little in terms of relief.