God, the Morin pick was so (frank)ing dumb. Been saying it since day 1.

Let’s not forget Pascal Leberge when we screaming for DeBrincat too.
- hereticpride

Lmao yeah everyone in here was begging for Debrincat there. What a shame. Laberge is awful

This wasn’t about protecting Dumba and a forward. This was about organizational conflict.

Parise was taken off the power play, sitting in the press box, and playing on the 4th line when playing. He expressed his displeasure.

Suter was the Wild’s 4th best D man this year. Suter still has value and skill but is definitely in decline. Going forward, Suter was going to end up being a 3rd pair D man further exposing his deficiencies by playing with someone not named Spurgeon Guerin likely concluded that like Parise, Suter would be unhappy with a reduced role. This was likely a move to avert a potentially poisonous room with 2 disgruntled vets.
- Minnyhock

In my opinion no smart GM would take on that amount of dead cap space for that long of a period of time just to avoid having two unhappy players.

Thanks for the article. Nice last line on it.

But here is my question. Their contracts, while bad, were not outlandishly so. Why not approach them to waive NMC and either tell them what would happen if they didn't (the buy-out) and if they did agree, trade them with salary retained or expose them with sweeteners?

The amount of salary retained would have been significantly, significantly below the dead cap hit.
- PT21

Simply because the odds of working out a deal for both players was very low due to their contracts. The players know that if they waive their NMC's, they can be exposed in the expansion draft.

Odd that it was not even broached.

An interesting question is whether it is in the player's interest to waive in such situations. Each of Parise and Suter end up getting 5 mil over 8 years (with buyout) instead of 10 million over 4. Compounded, thats probably a 7 mil swing. They also face the vexation of having to go the UFA route and so on and probably repeatedly as they will likely not get more than 1-2 year deals if that.

They likely are not playing more than 3-4 years. Will they make up the difference ever?

EDIT: Actually, more like 9 mil.
- PT21

Parise has made 107M in his career and Suter has made 104M. Do you think they really need to make up the difference?

If Fletcher won't play GM i will,

Vorachek + Nak + 20221st(lottery protected)(i think krak will try to get 1st in multiple years like Vegas did thus the 2022) for Krak to make cap space for us.

Manson + Rackell for 13th overall + ghost

Risto for 2021 2nd + 2022 3rd

I gave up alot of draft picks to get this team pointed into the correct direction, i might add a 4th line protector who can skate maybe ask Anaheim about deslauriers and add a 4th or 5th rounder.


Also goal tenders i focus on are Ullmark. Dreidger, i want two goalies who can play 50 games if needed. Elliot is good for about 15 then drops off.
- michaelputt

I'd fire the GM who made those moves.

Wild Rumored to be targeting Eichel.

If this is true likely more moves coming.

Wild Rumored to be targeting Eichel.

If this is true likely more moves coming.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's not possible. They're tanking.

That's not possible. They're tanking.

- MJL

That cap hit from the buy outs + Eichel. Sheesh!

If Fletcher won't play GM i will,

Vorachek + Nak + 20221st(lottery protected)(i think krak will try to get 1st in multiple years like Vegas did thus the 2022) for Krak to make cap space for us.

Manson + Rackell for 13th overall + ghost

Risto for 2021 2nd + 2022 3rd

I gave up alot of draft picks to get this team pointed into the correct direction, i might add a 4th line protector who can skate maybe ask Anaheim about deslauriers and add a 4th or 5th rounder.


Also goal tenders i focus on are Ullmark. Dreidger, i want two goalies who can play 50 games if needed. Elliot is good for about 15 then drops off.
- michaelputt

are there no FAs you can sign so you dont have to give away all our draft picks?

That's not possible. They're tanking.

- MJL

wouldnt be surprised to see them trade dumba also, because they are definately behind the 8 ball the next 4 years.

O’Brien was certainly a reach where he was picked, not sure what your weird obsession with him is.
- ClaudeFather

He wasn't a reach any more than any other player who excels in a lower-grade his draft year.

Wild Rumored to be targeting Eichel.

If this is true likely more moves coming.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There are reports that the Wild backed off of Eichel. The asking price doesn’t make sense from a risk vs reward perspective. The uncertainty should be driving the price down. Buffalo is counting on one sucker to overpay. That may happen but it’s not a slam sunk.

It was reported earlier that neither the Wild nor the other teams vying for Eichel(CLB,LA,ANA) have seen Jack’s medical report. That would seem to indicate that negotiations haven’t progressed very far.

He wasn't a reach any more than any other player who excels in a lower-grade his draft year.
- bmeltzer

Don't believe any of the Flyers recent 1st-round picks can really be considered reaches. Sanheim, Morin and JOB were all taken in a realistic range.

Mark Jankowski... now that was a reach.

In my opinion no smart GM would take on that amount of dead cap space for that long of a period of time just to avoid having two unhappy players.
- MJL

Sometimes you have nothing but bad options. Lots of teams have unhappy players. Guerin probably thought this was much worse. Parise and Suter would have been absolutely toxic in the room by not accepting reduced roles.

There are reports that the Wild backed off of Eichel. The asking price doesn’t make sense from a risk vs reward perspective. The uncertainty should be driving the price down. Buffalo is counting on one sucker to overpay. That may happen but it’s not a slam sunk.

It was reported earlier that neither the Wild nor the other teams vying for Eichel(CLB,LA,ANA) have seen Jack’s medical report. That would seem to indicate that negotiations haven’t progressed very far.
- Minnyhock

The beauty/tragedy/reality of it is that even if Wild get McDavid or any other ticket-seller in roster at their contracts, they are still going to struggle with 12,14,14 million given up for the next 3 years.

This is only 1 year I know, but the bottom 11 teams (with the least spending/most cap space) did not make playoffs this year. Indeed, pretty strong correlation between having the most cap space and getting high picks, as you would expect.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/2020/

Carolina is the least spending team to make playoffs and even they are only 2 m or so under.

Sometimes you have nothing but bad options. Lots of teams have unhappy players. Guerin probably thought this was much worse. Parise and Suter would have been absolutely toxic in the room by not accepting reduced roles.
- Minnyhock

A players level of play normally dictates what their role is and how much ice time they get. Suter led the entire team in ice time in the playoffs. Coaches will play who they feel is playing the best. I think it's what Guerin said, many factors involved in the decision. On paper, I see it as a bad one. Time will tell.

Tarasenko put the flyers down as a team he’d accept a trade to

Tarasenko put the flyers down as a team he’d accept a trade to
- arichardson22

no thanks, unless the Blues cover some salary.

I remember when Hextall was given the full blessing of management to implement his plan. They lost patience.
- MJL

Lmao touché.

Tarasenko put the flyers down as a team he’d accept a trade to
- arichardson22

I suggest we get every injured star player we can find, put them on LTIR for the season, and then play them in the playoffs.

I suggest we get every injured star player we can find, put them on LTIR for the season, and then play them in the playoffs.
- PT21

I never said trade for the guy. Brought it up bc apparently no one wants to play for the flyers.

I suggest we get every injured star player we can find, put them on LTIR for the season, and then play them in the playoffs.
- PT21

Need a strong enough team to make the playoffs

Tarasenko put the flyers down as a team he’d accept a trade to
- arichardson22

No way. We are no longer a destination. Sad.

First off I said a TOP D PROSPECT. How does that translate to a poop prospect? York is a TOP D PROSPECT if we traded him in a package would the other team consider him a poop prospect? COMPREHEND?
- Stayin alive

THEY HAVE NO GOOD D PROSPECTS LOL. Their good prospects are Cody Glass and Peyton Krebs. Both forwards. The D prospects is a bunch of players that have the potential of being maybe a top 4 dman if they develop well.

So your offer is Coots for 29th overall (lol at arguing thats not a late pick) a d prospect that does not have much value because they don't have any, and Alex Tuch who averages about .5 points per game the last 2 seasons. Their best d prospect is between Nikolas Hague who was shuffling back and forth between AHL and NHL (38 NHL games so still considered a prospect) and Dylan Coghlan who is a 22 year old undrafted player. Maybe the good d prospect you are thinking of is Kaeden Korczak who is a 2nd rounder from a few years ago and not really lighting anything up or showing he has potential to be anything more than a 3rd pair d.

SWEET offer! So enticing!!

O’Brien was certainly a reach where he was picked, not sure what your weird obsession with him is.
- ClaudeFather

I'm not obsessed with O'Brien, I'm just sick of people calling him a bust when most haven't even seen him play, nor understand that the plan all along was that O'Brien would need 3 years of development at least. I get to watch him play because he plays for BU, and I can tell you he is going to be a good player for the Flyers. I also know for a fact Boston and the Rangers were going to take him with their 1st picks if he was there. JOB was far from a reach, and even with his unfortunate first year with Providence, he is on track in his development now, and I am excited to see him play for BU this year under what I hope are normal conditions, and I would not be surprised if he is not on the Phantoms once his college season is over.