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TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 13 @ 1:51 PM ET
No I think it’s for players that sign contracts that take them past 35 years. I think Kovalchuck was like 27 when he signed the Jersey contract that sparked all this.
- Victoro311


Cap recapture doesn't have anything to do with the 35+ rule

If a team has paid out more total cash than the cap hit that's been charged, that had to be accounted for if that player retires

*unless he's allergic to his equipment... then it gets forgiven

5 year 30 million contract but player retires after 3 years (Cap hit 6 Million)

year 1 - 10 million
year 2 - 8 million
year 3 - 6 million
year 4 - 4 million
year 5 - 2 million

He's made 24 million over 3 years but only ate up 18 million worth of cap hits. If he retires, that 6 million in "advantage" is accounted for via "recapture"

Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:51 PM ET
Who besides Weber? Are you insinuating that Sid will retire before his contract is up? The rest of those guys only have one or two years of term left.
- Victoro311

“Only 1”
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:52 PM ET
The Weber recapture would destroy Nashville
- burgh4life87

(frank)ing Poile. Most overrated GM of all time. With Holland a close 2nd.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 1:53 PM ET
“Only 1”
- Feds91Stammer

My dad brain registered 2. Kid is teething and it’s been a tough go.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 1:53 PM ET
Cap recapture doesn't have anything to do with the 35+ rule

If a team has paid out more total cash than the cap hit that's been charged, that had to be accounted for if that player retires

*unless he's allergic to his equipment... then it gets forgiven

5 year 30 million contract but player retires after 3 years (Cap hit 6 Million)

year 1 - 10 million
year 2 - 8 million
year 3 - 6 million
year 4 - 4 million
year 5 - 2 million

He's made 24 million over 3 years but only ate up 18 million worth of cap hits. If he retires, that 6 million in "advantage" is accounted for via "recapture"

- TheGame316

Gotcha
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 13 @ 1:54 PM ET
Gotcha
- Victoro311


I don't think they can structure contracts like that anymore with the big salary swing, but for illustration purposes, that points out how it works

EDIT

It would be 8-8-6-4-4 and would result in a 4 million "recapture" charge if the player retired after year 3
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:01 PM ET
(frank)ing Poile. Most overrated GM of all time. With Holland a close 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

Didn't someone else, I want to say Philly, actually give him that deal as a RFA knowing how bad it was in the hope Nashville wouldn't match?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 2:02 PM ET
My dad brain registered 2. Kid is teething and it’s been a tough go.
- Victoro311

Haha either way the league already allowed Hossa, Franzen, and Zetterberg to LTIRetire so probably nothing to see here.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:02 PM ET
(frank)ing Poile. Most overrated GM of all time. With Holland a close 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer

He is just so bland. Just pure mediocrity
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:04 PM ET
Didn't someone else, I want to say Philly, actually give him that deal as a RFA knowing how bad it was in the hope Nashville wouldn't match?
- Tojo.

Yah. Holmgren thought that their bank account would force the smaller market Nashville to balk at the offer sheet.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 2:04 PM ET
Didn't someone else, I want to say Philly, actually give him that deal as a RFA knowing how bad it was in the hope Nashville wouldn't match?
- Tojo.

Yeah Holmgren signed him to a brutal offer sheet
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:08 PM ET
Yah. Holmgren thought that their bank account would force the smaller market Nashville to balk at the offer sheet.
- burgh4life87

Baller move, really.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:56 PM ET
Haha either way the league already allowed Hossa, Franzen, and Zetterberg to LTIRetire so probably nothing to see here.
- Feds91Stammer

Unless he goes the Luongo route. I think in that case it was better for Florida if he just retired but worse for Vancouver.
VoiceofLange
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Gibsonia, PA
Joined: 01.19.2019

Jul 13 @ 3:43 PM ET
Counting on overaged kids from the Q to jump in to the top line is not something you do during the last two or three so years of the Crosby/Malkin Era.
- Victoro311

There are plenty of wingers who can play top line already. Sort of why I said we need to move some. Guentzel playing top line a few years ago would have been considered insane. Stop pushing for old overpaid stiffs and hope for energy and youth to be injected at some points.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 3:51 PM ET
There are plenty of wingers who can play top line already. Sort of why I said we need to move some. Guentzel playing top line a few years ago would have been considered insane. Stop pushing for old overpaid stiffs and hope for energy and youth to be injected at some points.
- VoiceofLange

Guentzel wasn't penciled into the top line at the start of the season. He came in, tore up the AHL, and earned a promotion to the 4th line of the big club before being moved up further. If Poulin and/or Legare make the jump to the AHL and look legit, then by all means, but you do not pensile in 20 year old Q players who's stats aren't that impressive for being 20 year old Q players into the NHL roster to begin with, let alone the top 6.

And what exactly do you mean by plenty of guys? Minus Rust we have Guentzel (obvious), Zucker who can't seem to click with Malkin so is void, and then McCann and Kapanen who are more middle six than top 6. And then even assuming you make all four of those guys the top 6 wingers, which would be mediocre as poop, you have nothing for Carter's third line.

Also lol at calling at calling a 29-year-old 20+ goal, 40+point speedster an old stiff.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
This is a great way to actively make the team worse. Congratulations.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 3:55 PM ET
This is a great way to actively make the team worse. Congratulations.
- Grinder47

I assumed you'd be in on Zach Hyman. I guess a fight a season isn't quite enough to get you on board.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 3:59 PM ET
I assumed you'd be in on Zach Hyman. I guess a fight a season isn't quite enough to get you on board.
- Victoro311

He likes overpaid 4th liners too much.
nateca444
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: butler, PA
Joined: 08.13.2020

Jul 13 @ 4:10 PM ET
I assumed you'd be in on Zach Hyman. I guess a fight a season isn't quite enough to get you on board.
- Victoro311



What about Nick Ritchie? I seen some Boston fan put him up for Pettersson. Isn't he a type of guy Hextall likes?
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 4:12 PM ET
He likes overpaid 4th liners too much.
- Feds91Stammer

You’re obsessed with a game time decision so we willing just call it even.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 13 @ 4:19 PM ET
What about Nick Ritchie? I seen some Boston fan put him up for Pettersson. Isn't he a type of guy Hextall likes?
- nateca444


He's definitely of the long pants variety. Not sure what it will cost to extend him, but I'd definitely look in to that swap.

I even think the Pens could squeeze a pick on top of Ritchie.
nateca444
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: butler, PA
Joined: 08.13.2020

Jul 13 @ 4:53 PM ET
He's definitely of the long pants variety. Not sure what it will cost to extend him, but I'd definitely look in to that swap.

I even think the Pens could squeeze a pick on top of Ritchie.

- Rinosaur


He's a RFA. Not sure what his next contract will be but he only put up 16 goals. I guess with a shortened season it still equats to around 4-5 million if not more?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 13 @ 4:56 PM ET
He's a RFA. Not sure what his next contract will be but he only put up 16 goals. I guess with a shortened season it still equats to around 4-5 million if not more?
- nateca444


IMO he's in the same realm as Tanev. If he costs over $3M I wouldn't trade for him.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 5:13 PM ET
IMO he's in the same realm as Tanev. If he costs over $3M I wouldn't trade for him.
- Rinosaur

Tanev’s contract is a steal. Any scenario you guys propose that involves Sullivan Burke and Hextall thinking about losing Tanev is s non starter because none of those guys are thinking “let’s get rid of Tanev”. It’s that simple. Yet everyday “we trade tanev”.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 5:19 PM ET
Tanev’s contract is a steal. Any scenario you guys propose that involves Sullivan Burke and Hextall thinking about losing Tanev is s non starter because none of those guys are thinking “let’s get rid of Tanev”. It’s that simple. Yet everyday “we trade tanev”.
- Grinder47

I don’t think anyone really mentions that besides RW and Boyd.
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