What are thoughts on Adam Larsson as a partner for Provrorov. RH shot, 6'3'', coming off a cap hit of 4.166, still only 28. Averaged just under 20 minutes a night.

Does he fit the need for the Flyers or not as a top pair guy?

Burns is under contract forever. For the time being he’d be a much bigger help than Jake.
- hereticpride

There is one extra year….yes.

i threw this out there a few days ago, i'd do it straight up. It sure fills a need on a RHD, but it isn't my first choice. If we can move jake without taking a cap hit like that back that's what i would prefer.
- bradster

I swore I saw this somewhere lol

Chuck Fletcher begins to salivate...
- Tomahawk

Hahaha, Fletch will sign Suter and call the blueline fixed. Guaranteed.

Im confident chuck has a plan, Has a RHD list, prob with at least 6 guys on it, and he will go through it, if hamilton is a no, then on to dumba, if he is a no, then on to Larson etc......he will get it done this year. Just have to see how it plays out
- bradster

The problem with Hamilton is do you really want to spend $9M on one player in a foreseeable flat cap era? I like Hamilton, he would really help our PP and is overall a good defenseman, but I would rather see Fletcher pay two good defenseman with this money instead of throwing most of his available cap space on 1 player.

Hahaha, Fletch will sign Suter and call the blueline fixed. Guaranteed.
- mkabbeko

no chance, Suter is old, and is signed for 4 more years at over $7M, Fletcher would have to be as stupid as Edmonton's GM ... wait!

He certainly is signed for a long time but if he retires before end of deal isn’t San Jose responsible for the cap? Like Luongo’s retirement? I don’t know if he’s gonna be playing until he’s 38 or 39.
- arichardson22

Burns is signed for 1 season longer than Jake

What are thoughts on Adam Larsson as a partner for Provrorov. RH shot, 6'3'', coming off a cap hit of 4.166, still only 28. Averaged just under 20 minutes a night.

Does he fit the need for the Flyers or not as a top pair guy?
- J35Bacher

I love Larsson and I hope the Flyers nab him, and he would be fine with Provorov and help our toughness and PK. But we would still need a top PP QB from the backend. Its unfair to expect that from York this soon.

no chance, Suter is old, and is signed for 4 more years at over $7M, Fletcher would have to be as stupid as Edmonton's GM ... wait!
- jd250

He’ll be A UFA…now.

There is one extra year….yes.
- landros 2

Burns will be 39 when his contract is up. Don’t want a guy that old on anything other than a year to year deal.

Burns is signed for 1 season longer than Jake
- bradster

And 5 years older

I disagree that we are that far away. I don’t understand that way of thinking. They have a bunch of assets….some really solid pieces. The mix just isn’t right. Hopefully Fletch has a plan to rid them of some of the overpriced contracts to address the obvious holes. It’s not easy, but that’s the job that needs to get done. He may make some deals some won’t like, but it was painfully obvious real change was needed after watching this team play Jeckle and Hyde for the last 8 years.
- landros 2

The reason we are far away is for what you said. He needs to rid self of some bad contracts AND fill obvious holes.

In order to do that he has to use the assets you speak of. Some or a lot depending on what holes filled and what contracts rid of which now takes away the strength of the assets? It’s a flip flop either way not close. Yet…

no chance, Suter is old, and is signed for 4 more years at over $7M, Fletcher would have to be as stupid as Edmonton's GM ... wait!
- jd250

He has 0 years for 0 dollars as of a couple hours ago.

Burns will be 39 when his contract is up. Don’t want a guy that old on anything other than a year to year deal.
- hereticpride

There is that.

Hahaha, Fletch will sign Suter and call the blueline fixed. Guaranteed.
- mkabbeko

I wouldn't doubt this in the least.

so how could you estimate what Jake is worth today? I guess if you signed him to an FA contract what would he get? Assuming that you could make an educated guess on how much the Flyers might have to retain to move him. All depending on what you were getting back of course. I did a quick surf but didn't see a site that would let me plug in hypotheticals, one you had to have a log in.

I looked at some players like Schwartz from the Blues, at 29 his projected contract is 4.8 over 6 years. He something different than Jake, younger than Jake not as point productive as Jake. Jake has 3 years left, so what would Jake be signed for as a FA? Does someone know a site, if we can set that number maybe we could better guess what move, if any would be reasonable. Seems Jake at 3 X 5 is pretty decent, just spitballing

Hey, MJL makes a lot of sense actually, but I do agree with you in this instance, there is a HUGE culture issue on this team which is why I have been advocating a major shakeup with the veteran core of this team. From all reports, Fletcher agrees since its becoming clear he will be fine with losing JVR in the ED and is looking to trade Ghost and Jake. If it were me, I would also take the 'C' away from G to to really shake everyone up, but at least on this forum, this is not a popular move.
- jd250

Honestly mjl makes a lot of good points toward specific situations. The problem with him is it’s easy to say things like don’t sign bad contracts. Here’s a bad contract. Or this player excels at whatever and for price it’s what we need. These not necessary his points just example how he states things but the problem is there is never and never will be a plan laid out as to why he things should be done.

For example if you say you build through the draft then at what point do you move assets? At what cost?

If you say sign your best players? How do you deal with cap? Who do you sacrifice?what’s the end plan.

That’s what’s so frustrating about mjl is he will pick apart any thought and make the case against it and sometimes argue for a direction to go in BUT NEVER with an end goal in site.

so how could you estimate what Jake is worth today? I guess if you signed him to an FA contract what would he get? Assuming that you could make an educated guess on how much the Flyers might have to retain to move him. All depending on what you were getting back of course. I did a quick surf but didn't see a site that would let me plug in hypotheticals, one you had to have a log in.

I looked at some players like Schwartz from the Blues, at 29 his projected contract is 4.8 over 6 years. He something different than Jake, younger than Jake not as point productive as Jake. Jake has 3 years left, so what would Jake be signed for as a FA? Does someone know a site, if we can set that number maybe we could better guess what move, if any would be reasonable. Seems Jake at 3 X 5 is pretty decent, just spitballing
- wcorvette

Swartz isn’t a player you pay 6+ mil at age 33-34-35. You absolutely stay away from that type deal for that type player. At age 29. If he was age 26 then yes. Because you can live with the $for a year or maybe 2 at end of contract if he slows own a little plus you have options.

Think of it this way would we want a guy slightly above average at age 33 now with 2-3 years left on deal at 6+ mil? Absolutely not.

I could see Voracek as a fit with the Oilers. Not just because they are the Oilers but I could see where he is on the wing of one of the top 2 lines. This would allow for McDavid and Draistal to be separated and give more depth to those lines.

Now the catch is the return.

Like I believe Bill mentioned, your probably not getting exact value back for Voracek because of the cap hit but you can make a trade to reshape the roster.

I can def Suter wanting to come to philly to wind down his career. Def be a front runner for his services.

Have to unload some CAP players like Jake..JVR..Ghost..to have $$ to do anything. Not going to be easy
- hfc355

That will be part of the busy deals going on. At first I thought they would just expose a bunch of expensive contracts and let the Kraken take their best shot but now I think they he will be active to ensure they do. They have assets to make this happen.

Swartz isn’t a player you pay 6+ mil at age 33-34-35. You absolutely stay away from that type deal for that type player. At age 29. If he was age 26 then yes. Because you can live with the $for a year or maybe 2 at end of contract if he slows own a little plus you have options.

Think of it this way would we want a guy slightly above average at age 33 now with 2-3 years left on deal at 6+ mil? Absolutely not.
- Stayin alive

his projected contract is just under 5 for 6 years, not about signing him, trying to get an idea of Jakes value today, for the next 3 years.

Swartz isn’t a player you pay 6+ mil at age 33-34-35. You absolutely stay away from that type deal for that type player. At age 29. If he was age 26 then yes. Because you can live with the $for a year or maybe 2 at end of contract if he slows own a little plus you have options.

Think of it this way would we want a guy slightly above average at age 33 now with 2-3 years left on deal at 6+ mil? Absolutely not.
- Stayin alive

Scwartz is 2 yrs younger the Jake and as good a player...If Scwartz isnt worth 6M ( and I agree he is not) that shows you how little market there will be for Jake at 8.25M...No one is taking on Jake without at least 3M Cap retention

Im confident chuck has a plan, Has a RHD list, prob with at least 6 guys on it, and he will go through it, if hamilton is a no, then on to dumba, if he is a no, then on to Larson etc......he will get it done this year. Just have to see how it plays out
- bradster

There is no doubt that moves will be made. However with the buyouts Minny just did, good chance Dumba will be protected and kept. Word is that Larsson is going to take less to stay in Edmonton. Something will be done.

Could Suter be our Nisky 2.0?
- arichardson22

Suter is a LH shot who plays the left side.