Giving up 6+ goals 11 times in 56 games is way beyond unacceptable. It's non competitive, gutless, and a disgrace. It's shows that players couldn't give a damn.
- PLindbergh31

exactly

I think the Flyers have the assets to get them into the conversation for the playoffs for sure. But I have to agree, they just aren’t as good as some of those teams. The good news is our current GM seems to get it. Now, does he have the plan or vision to get us to the next level and fill or address this teams needs.
- landros 2

Im confident chuck has a plan, Has a RHD list, prob with at least 6 guys on it, and he will go through it, if hamilton is a no, then on to dumba, if he is a no, then on to Larson etc......he will get it done this year. Just have to see how it plays out

I agree there were many games where the compete level was unacceptable. I just don't see it as a culture issue.
- MJL

Hahahahahahajaja of course you don’t see it as a culture issue. It’s only been what 5 years? 10 years? Laughable that anyone and I mean ANYONE that watches last season thinks untrue doesn’t need to change. I mean I get maybe at what extent and maybe who from the culture to change but a blanket don’t see need for culture is probably the most status quo blind philly fan thing that could be said. So absolutely laughable it’s almost unreal.


Except it’s from mjl so makes PERFECT sense

Could Suter be our Nisky 2.0?

Really has that feeling like the Flyers are going to go nuts this offseason. For better or worse, a lot of people are probably going to get the off-season action they’ve been craving.
- Flyers1218

Totally agree. Even in a flat cap world I think the Flyers are going to be pretty busy between the ED through the Draft into the second day of FA. I just think they will be in a position and a need to make a couple moves. I would be shocked if they run the course without a splash. For good or bad.

Improve the team next year? Hopefully geared toward the future. This team isn’t gonna be near contention for awhile and people need to come to realistic grips with that. With the salaries we have and holes needed to fill and assets that would be needed to give up to get those would still be non contender if tried. While philly was frustrating at times until hexy the joy of watching them KNOWING they weren’t contenders was watching them obtain picks prospects and them develop. Now we’re in a lose lose situation due to 2 years of status quo (with yes some legit excuses but excuses none the less) I don’t think hexy would’ve strayed from the process with those excuses. The mandate from the bean counter was to try to win now. As it is today. Fletch hopefully doesn’t make the mortgage the future moves to try to win now but he probably will. Because the pressure from above. I can see them trading young assets for vet and signing coots long term big $ to paint picture of competing. And it will fail and the fans anger and debate will continue. With half seeing the dumbness and the other half blindly supporting team.
- Stayin alive

I disagree that we are that far away. I don’t understand that way of thinking. They have a bunch of assets….some really solid pieces. The mix just isn’t right. Hopefully Fletch has a plan to rid them of some of the overpriced contracts to address the obvious holes. It’s not easy, but that’s the job that needs to get done. He may make some deals some won’t like, but it was painfully obvious real change was needed after watching this team play Jeckle and Hyde for the last 8 years.

Could Suter be our Nisky 2.0?
- arichardson22

He will have many options. Dont see him wanting to come here unless our $$ clearly more then others. He is going to get paid from Wild anyway so likely destination is a true contender and dont be surprised if he winds up in Tampa

Fletcher has a mandate. Scott wants the team to be a cap team. They're headed for hockey purgatory. I really hope I wind up wrong about it.
- MJL

Is this guy serious? “This team headed toward hockey purgatory…. I really hope I’m wrong about it”


“Absolutely should resign coots”

Blow cap for future for 30 year old free agent. This guy is a joke

Could Suter be our Nisky 2.0?
- arichardson22

Suter wasn’t great last year, but he still had a decent year….why not kick the tires?

Totally agree. Even in a flat cap world I think the Flyers are going to be pretty busy between the ED through the Draft into the second day of FA. I just think they will be in a position and a need to make a couple moves. I would be shocked if they run the course without a splash. For good or bad.
- peesinwind

Have to unload some CAP players like Jake..JVR..Ghost..to have $$ to do anything. Not going to be easy

He will have many options. Dont see him wanting to come here unless our $$ clearly more then others. He is going to get paid from Wild anyway so likely destination is a true contender and dont be surprised if he winds up in Tampa
- hfc355

Great point with him already being paid and just signing a minimal deal to a true cup contender. Chuck does have serious ties to him though, that could be a chance but still agree with your scenario playing out more likely.

As far as Voracek is concerned, I'm not in the camp to move him just to move him. He is still a productive point producer and losing that would hurt. We have some young forwards moving up that I think have a chance to be pretty good but that will take time. My issues with Voracek is that he is a good offensive player but not a good overall player. I hate that he doesn't shoot the puck enough and when he does, he often "passes" the puck to the net instead of ripping it. I also think they would be better having a shooter of the half wall opposite of Giroux on the PP.
- MJL

I always thought that would be a great spot for Gostisbehere for his one timer. A shot on net at that angle usually creates rebounds as the goalie is moving.

Suter wasn’t great last year, but he still had a decent year….why not kick the tires?
- landros 2

Same was said about Nisky, many wrote him off at the time of Gudas traded. Just think he could be that calming presence in locker room and on ice for some young guys. Especially on D

Could Suter be our Nisky 2.0?
- arichardson22

Does he even play the right side?

Same was said about Nisky, many wrote him off at the time of Gudas traded. Just think he could be that calming presence in locker room and on ice for some young guys. Especially on D
- arichardson22

When you think about it he does fit a lot of needs if it is on something like 2 years at a lower salary. I still prefer to find that legit top pairing guy to fill the roll for 7 eayrs with provrov but as a fall back, I think Suter could work depending on contract.

Im confident chuck has a plan, Has a RHD list, prob with at least 6 guys on it, and he will go through it, if hamilton is a no, then on to dumba, if he is a no, then on to Larson etc......he will get it done this year. Just have to see how it plays out
- bradster

I’m sure he does as well. It’s not an easy cleanup but it is over due.

Same was said about Nisky, many wrote him off at the time of Gudas traded. Just think he could be that calming presence in locker room and on ice for some young guys. Especially on D
- arichardson22

I agree. I was one of the few guys who thought the Duncan Keith trade was a good one though…lol…guys at that age put in the right situation can really be useful.

This is 99% an unlikely trade scenario but it’s silly season and would require waived NTC. So assuming we lose JVR or Ghost in ED.

PHL: Brent Burns (1-2M retained)

SJ: Voracek.

Thoughts?

Improve the team next year? Hopefully geared toward the future. This team isn’t gonna be near contention for awhile and people need to come to realistic grips with that. With the salaries we have and holes needed to fill and assets that would be needed to give up to get those would still be non contender if tried. While philly was frustrating at times until hexy the joy of watching them KNOWING they weren’t contenders was watching them obtain picks prospects and them develop. Now we’re in a lose lose situation due to 2 years of status quo (with yes some legit excuses but excuses none the less) I don’t think hexy would’ve strayed from the process with those excuses. The mandate from the bean counter was to try to win now. As it is today. Fletch hopefully doesn’t make the mortgage the future moves to try to win now but he probably will. Because the pressure from above. I can see them trading young assets for vet and signing coots long term big $ to paint picture of competing. And it will fail and the fans anger and debate will continue. With half seeing the dumbness and the other half blindly supporting team.
- Stayin alive

I don't know. You maybe right and I maybe crazy as the song states, but I think with a few good moves from Fletcher, this team is not that far off from contention. Fletcher has to gird his loins no doubt about it, but if he does there are players available that can help this team, and after the ED Fletcher should have enough cap space to do something.

This is 99% an unlikely trade scenario but it’s silly season and would require waived NTC. So assuming we lose JVR or Ghost in ED.

PHL: Brent Burns (1-2M retained)

SJ: Voracek.

Thoughts?
- arichardson22

i threw this out there a few days ago, i'd do it straight up. It sure fills a need on a RHD, but it isn't my first choice. If we can move jake without taking a cap hit like that back that's what i would prefer.

Hahahahahahajaja of course you don’t see it as a culture issue. It’s only been what 5 years? 10 years? Laughable that anyone and I mean ANYONE that watches last season thinks untrue doesn’t need to change. I mean I get maybe at what extent and maybe who from the culture to change but a blanket don’t see need for culture is probably the most status quo blind philly fan thing that could be said. So absolutely laughable it’s almost unreal.


Except it’s from mjl so makes PERFECT sense
- Stayin alive

Hey, MJL makes a lot of sense actually, but I do agree with you in this instance, there is a HUGE culture issue on this team which is why I have been advocating a major shakeup with the veteran core of this team. From all reports, Fletcher agrees since its becoming clear he will be fine with losing JVR in the ED and is looking to trade Ghost and Jake. If it were me, I would also take the 'C' away from G to to really shake everyone up, but at least on this forum, this is not a popular move.

This is 99% an unlikely trade scenario but it’s silly season and would require waived NTC. So assuming we lose JVR or Ghost in ED.

PHL: Brent Burns (1-2M retained)

SJ: Voracek.

Thoughts?
- arichardson22

Burns is under contract forever. For the time being he’d be a much bigger help than Jake.

This is 99% an unlikely trade scenario but it’s silly season and would require waived NTC. So assuming we lose JVR or Ghost in ED.

PHL: Brent Burns (1-2M retained)

SJ: Voracek.

Thoughts?
- arichardson22

no thank you, I think there are better options to get rid of Jake that this one.

This is 99% an unlikely trade scenario but it’s silly season and would require waived NTC. So assuming we lose JVR or Ghost in ED.

PHL: Brent Burns (1-2M retained)

SJ: Voracek.

Thoughts?
- arichardson22

What about Giordano? One year @6.75… he is 37…and Calgary doesn’t look like they can protect him….oh and I would take Burns in that deal.

Burns is under contract forever. For the time being he’d be a much bigger help than Jake.
- hereticpride

He certainly is signed for a long time but if he retires before end of deal isn’t San Jose responsible for the cap? Like Luongo’s retirement? I don’t know if he’s gonna be playing until he’s 38 or 39.