Maybe the first two surgeries didn’t fix the original problem. Sometimes in network is the problem particularly if the first surgery was botched.
- Sinisalo4vr

So he was having surgery on a shoulder for no reason, twice, and then needed another one to fix that supposed original issue. Yea, trade for this guy right away !! I don’t think the roster could withstand this guy not being able to play, Jake can be counted on to contribute.

Maybe the first two surgeries didn’t fix the original problem. Sometimes in network is the problem particularly if the first surgery was botched.
- Sinisalo4vr

I know a few guys who have shoulder surgeries and not one of them will tell you they are as good as original. Having shoulder surgery increases the chance of injuring them again and that is pretty much the way it is. A good friend had surgery when he was 20 from playing college football and he was never able to take a shoulder hit in hockey or ball after that.

So he was having surgery on a shoulder for no reason, twice, and then needed another one to fix that supposed original issue. Yea, trade for this guy right away !! I don’t think the roster could withstand this guy not being able to play, Jake can be counted on to contribute.
- ClaudeFather

Totally agree, Jake competes and honestly Tarasenko used to snipe but is still a floater. We do not need any more of them.

I agree with acquiring Cernak, and hopefully signing Oleksiak.

So he was having surgery on a shoulder for no reason, twice, and then needed another one to fix that supposed original issue. Yea, trade for this guy right away !! I don’t think the roster could withstand this guy not being able to play, Jake can be counted on to contribute.
- ClaudeFather

I think he told them something was wrong after surgery and they were slow to respond. That said, you would need a clear on the shoulder to make it worth jake. Jake is not a 8 million guy but he is way more than most give him credit for

I mean what do you guys see in Voracek? I see a player who has been payed and treated as a franchise cornerstone piece to a team in which he has fallen drastically short of meeting those expectations. A player you expect to count on to carry the team when needed and lead by example yet I watch a player who consistently makes bad decision after bad decision on the ice and has gotten away with it for the better part of his career here. Off the ice, a player who’s ego is so fragile he threatens reporters and people on the internet who criticize or say negative things about him. This is the guy you want to build your team around? This is the guy you want to help mold the younger players? Every time I watch him throw a blind pass across the middle of the ice that gets intercepted, or turn the puck over in transition at the blue line, or not back check while his man comes down the ice and scores, or watch him pass up wide open nets for one timers to make an extra errant pass I just can’t help but think he gets away with all of this and it rubs off on the younger players. Granted Vingeualt finally held him accountable but he is who he is and if you have a chance to move him I think the benefits go beyond salary.

Totally agree, Jake competes and honestly Tarasenko used to snipe but is still a floater. We do not need any more of them.
- joegreif17

What snipers do the Flyers have now?

If stinko offered straight up for Jake you’re nuts not to take it. Lose a year on contract term and save 1mil per year for 2 years.

Stinko should play 15 minutes a night with attention paid to offensive zone time and pp where as Jake is playing close to 20 minutes. Taking development time from younger players. Stinko worth the risk just for the subtraction of Jake. If stinko injured off to tb salary cap abuse. Another bonus.

Also people stop with the Jones wants to test free agency and isn’t willing to sign extension yet in Philly. Any agent worth their weight will leak this. It drives the price up on a contract. Nothing more nothing less. He will absolutely sign with whatever team trades for him. He’s not going to leave a year on table especially at 8 or 9 mil

I mean what do you guys see in Voracek? I see a player who has been payed and treated as a franchise cornerstone piece to a team in which he has fallen drastically short of meeting those expectations. A player you expect to count on to carry the team when needed and lead by example yet I watch a player who consistently makes bad decision after bad decision on the ice and has gotten away with it for the better part of his career here. Off the ice, a player who’s ego is so fragile he threatens reporters and people on the internet who criticize or say negative things about him. This is the guy you want to build your team around? This is the guy you want to help mold the younger players? Every time I watch him throw a blind pass across the middle of the ice that gets intercepted, or turn the puck over in transition at the blue line, or not back check while his man comes down the ice and scores, or watch him pass up wide open nets for one timers to make an extra errant pass I just can’t help but think he gets away with all of this and it rubs off on the younger players. Granted Vingeualt finally held him accountable but he is who he is and if you have a chance to move him I think the benefits go beyond salary.
- pharcyde

You missed the point! Is Tarasenko better than Jake overall?? The answer is clearly a no. I would expose Jake and let Seattle have him for nothing. 9.5 cap off the books for a few years. Jake or JVR should be exposed.

What snipers do the Flyers have now?
- Sinisalo4vr

Ha. I think he meant the floater part.

Free Jake:

To Ottawa for Chris Tierney
To Calgary for Milan Lucic (I know)
To Detroit + #14 + prospect for Dylan Larkin
To Anaheim + Ghost + pick/prospect for Adam Henrique + Josh Manson

Also people stop with the Jones wants to test free agency and isn’t willing to sign extension yet in Philly. Any agent worth their weight will leak this. It drives the price up on a contract. Nothing more nothing less. He will absolutely sign with whatever team trades for him. He’s not going to leave a year on table especially at 8 or 9 mil
- Stayin alive

It is possible. But I don’t understand your logic. He’s not leaving 8 mil on the table if he signs for more. 10 mil over 7 years is more than 8 over 8.

Also people stop with the Jones wants to test free agency and isn’t willing to sign extension yet in Philly. Any agent worth their weight will leak this. It drives the price up on a contract. Nothing more nothing less. He will absolutely sign with whatever team trades for him. He’s not going to leave a year on table especially at 8 or 9 mil
- Stayin alive

But it might also make teams leery of the idea, no?

Also, if he is going to be a rental, CBJ might just hang on to him till near the TDL and wait for a desperate team hoping to go deep in playoffs That market hasn't formed yet.

Boy Bill…..a lot to unwrap here. I’m still fine in trading for Jones with out the guarantee….but yesturday it was reported his agent is talking to possible trade partners about an extension to help facilitate a trade….to me that changes everything. I hope the Flyers are included in that group. Not sure how old Friedman’s info was…but things can change with a phone call.
I’d be interested in Taresenko…but not sure Vorecek would be moved for him…

Let’s say the Flyers could trade for Ceranak ….a second round pick…maybe a b list prospect ….considering TBays situation.

They could then offer Seattle Myers as a sweetener to take Jake….before guys start yelling, it still would be better then to lose Myers for nothing….yes they could trade Myers else where, but to me the cap savings on Vorecek really would help facilitate the change the team needs. Isn’t that the whole point…having that cap space allows the Flyers to really get things done.
Bottom line is Fletch may have to get creative….the ED could very well be used as a tool.

You missed the point! Is Tarasenko better than Jake overall?? The answer is clearly a no. I would expose Jake and let Seattle have him for nothing. 9.5 cap off the books for a few years. Jake or JVR should be exposed.
- joegreif17

If Taresenko is now healthy….the answer is not clear at all. I’d take Taresenko. As far as what the Flyers may lose in the ED that could really change how this is all viewed.

Free Jake:

To Ottawa for Chris Tierney
To Calgary for Milan Lucic (I know)
To Detroit + #14 + prospect for Dylan Larkin
To Anaheim + Ghost + pick/prospect for Adam Henrique + Josh Manson
- Bayareaflyer

The only rationale I can see in this trade is:

I really hate Voracek so I would bundle a prospect with him just to dump his salary, but just for poops and giggles throw in Coots for Larkin. So Larkin becomes the #1C and because he has played on a crappy team his stats/play will easily double on another team. Plus he is only 24.

Is that about right?

I wouldn't trade Coots straight up for Larkin, even if he was 21. I like Larkin as a decent #2C, but he doesn't even come close to Coot's game and makes more right now.

You missed the point! Is Tarasenko better than Jake overall?? The answer is clearly a no. I would expose Jake and let Seattle have him for nothing. 9.5 cap off the books for a few years. Jake or JVR should be exposed.
- joegreif17

They both should be.

The only rationale I can see in this trade is:

I really hate Voracek so I would bundle a prospect with him just to dump his salary, but just for poops and giggles throw in Coots for Larkin. So Larkin becomes the #1C and because he has played on a crappy team his stats/play will easily double on another team. Plus he is only 24.

Is that about right?

I wouldn't trade Coots straight up for Larkin, even if he was 21. I like Larkin as a decent #2C, but he doesn't even come close to Coot's game and makes more right now.
- Glak18

I thought OP was throwing in our first, and forgot that Arizona forfeited pick (otherwise we would pick 14 I think)

But it might also make teams leery of the idea, no?

Also, if he is going to be a rental, CBJ might just hang on to him till near the TDL and wait for a desperate team hoping to go deep in playoffs That market hasn't formed yet.
- PT21

No teams won’t be wary. It teams teams if you trade for him he’s not taking any discounts. Like when Hayes was traded for and signed. You trade for Jones you aren’t getting him for 7 or 8 mil that he would get in free agency. You’re gonna have to give him that 8th year AND AT a little more $ per year. So probably 8.5ish at 8 years compared to 7 years at 8 mil if on market.

It is possible. But I don’t understand your logic. He’s not leaving 8 mil on the table if he signs for more. 10 mil over 7 years is more than 8 over 8.
- Peter Richards

No ones giving him 10 mil on open market.

No teams won’t be wary. It teams teams if you trade for him he’s not taking any discounts. Like when Hayes was traded for and signed. You trade for Jones you aren’t getting him for 7 or 8 mil that he would get in free agency. You’re gonna have to give him that 8th year AND AT a little more $ per year. So probably 8.5ish at 8 years compared to 7 years at 8 mil if on market.
- Stayin alive

Yeah ok sure OR; that message is for all but a few teams, that are the teams that are his private wish list teams and who will get a different message

Yeah ok sure OR; that message is for all but a few teams, that are the teams that are his private wish list teams and who will get a different message
- PT21

What’s more likely ? Some subliminal message or agent maxing players term/$ contract?

What’s more likely ? Some subliminal message or agent maxing players term/$ contract?
- Stayin alive

I was kinda thinking both.

Meaning, "I am not ready to sign with just anybody. Gamblers be prepared to pay through nose. Unless ... I say otherwise."

I dont get the love for Tarasenko or trading for him, the reason the Flyers want to trade Vora is to move his contract to free up cap space.. the Tarasenko trade does not help them in any way shape or form.

First off Tarasenko saves the flyers nothing of note outside of one less year, second off his injury history is a massive red flag, hes not an upgrade over Vora... so if that's the only deal on the table hard pass.

The thing is the Flyers need cap relief NOW, not two seasons from now.

My personal belief, the Krakens take a cheap contract from us, not an established one, and we have pretty much the same roster this year as we did last year, not because Fletcher wont try, because Fletcher will have zero cap space to make a major move.

Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that the Flyers still need to resign Hart, Sanheim and get a backup for Hart. Everyone is also expecting both Hart and Sanheim are going to take smaller contracts because of one bad season, when both of them have had great/good seasons before, you cant guarantee both will take bridge deals. if they both take bridge deals its going to be between 3-3.5 each.. so bridge lets say 6-7 mil for both, then an extra 3-4 for a goalie.. total will be bridge wise 9-10 million for those three players, that leaves about 3 million under the cap. lets say both dont go for bridge deals, its going to be closer to 4-6 mil for both.. that's 8-12 million total.. no room for anything else.

The numbers dont lie, the Flyers have no space to do anything. I am also happy the Jones thing fell apart, I never wanted him in the first place.
- Elvathadrin

First of all, there's a significant cap difference between two years of remaining term for a 29 year old versus three years of remaining term for a 31 year old. The $750,000 cap savings the next two seasons isn't huge but it isn't nothing, either.

Secondly, if Tarasenko is even reasonably healthy over the next two seasons, you're getting a better player than pretty much anyone else you could realistically get for Voracek. If he's not healthy, well, you lose the trade hockey wise but you do get potentially a big chunk of LTIR flexibility if you run into cap ceiling trouble.

Now, regarding Flyers cap space. Hart does not have arbitration rights this offseason. He will absolutely get a bridge deal and a raise but probably not a huge raise until he is re-established. Sanheim's contract is the trickier one.

It's simply untrue that the "Flyers have no space to do anything." They enter the offseason with about $13M of cap space. Let's say Ghost is the guy they lose in the Expansion Draft. That's another $4.5 million. With $17.5 M or so, they can resign their RFAs, and make a couple of NHL acquisitions including addressing the top pairing.

Lastly, the Jones pursuit hasn't necessarily fallen apart so much as being off the front burner for now. And if it's not him, it still may very well be another expensive blueline addition instead.