So Gadjovic might not be a PPG player?
- 1970vintage

I would say he has a few long strides to go before becoming an NHL regular.

At what point does trading away all your current players for draft picks (so you don’t lose them to Seattle) start to hurt your NHL roster? I mean, you are going to lose a player, and you have to expose F,F,D,G.
- 1970vintage

Nashville has been rumoured to look for a bit of a shake up. I guess Poile found it better to get something for a player that they could possibly lose for nothing.

Re-tool on the fly?

Briesbois
Jake
Sautner
Juolevi
Lind
Gadjovich
Corrado
- VANTEL

There’s a bunch more too…

Brendan Gaunce
Joseph LeBate
Jordan Subban
Nicklas Jensen
Alex Grenier
Alex Friesen
Hunter Shinkaruk

Are these buyout candidates, expansion fodder or players who have been developed in the AHL?
- 1970vintage

yes

There’s a bunch more too…

Brendan Gaunce
Joseph LeBate
Jordan Subban
Nicklas Jensen
Alex Grenier
Alex Friesen
Hunter Shinkaruk
- LeftCoaster

I think parting of developing a player would be the ability to keep them in the NHL for more than a cup of tea.

The AHL Development Thing
Alright, quick segue before continuing with player evaluations.

The AHL development thing is something that I bring up frequently. The Vancouver Canucks track record of developing NHLers via the AHL has been remarkably poor this past decade. It is an issue that predates the Benning regime and has only become marginally better in the last seven years.

Below is the list of players who’ve joined Utica/Chicago/Manitoba since 2010-11 and turned into credible full-time NHL players.

Criteria:

Zero previous AHL or NHL experience

Played significant time in the AHL (50+ GP), developing

The Stecher’s, Horvat’s, Gaudette’s, and Rathbone’s of the Canucks regime do not count as feathers in the cap of AHL development. Sure they spent brief amounts of time with the AHL team, but they were head and shoulders above their peers and clear NHL’ers from the get-go.

Provided NHL GP for the Canucks (Kevin Connauton/Brad Hunt excluded for this reason)

Currently in the NHL or a combination of AHL/NHL

The list excludes the following players who did provide returns for the Canucks in games-played or trade assets before they ended their pro careers.

Eddie Lack, who was flipped for two picks: one that became Guillaume Brisebois and another that became Brett McKenzie

Evan Oberg, who was flipped alongside a 2013 3rd round pick in exchange for Chris Higgins

Aaron Volpatti, who was lost on waivers to Washington

Cody Hodgson, who was traded for Zack Kassian, who was then flipped alongside a 5th round pick for Brandon Prust

Canucks Players Developed via the AHL
Tanev, Demko, Chatfield, MacEwen, Juolevi

All of the players currently retired or playing overseas have one thing in common. They barely cracked more than 100 NHL games played after leaving the Canucks AHL system. One exception is Jordan Schroeder, who made it to 109 NHL games before moving onto the KHL.

That means the Canucks AHL system has produced a number-one goalie, two depth defencemen, and a 13th forward who lost the trust of his coach this past season in ten years.

Now, Michael DiPietro could become a solid 1B, Will Lockwood might be useful bottom-six depth as soon as next season, and Carson Focht might be useful depth in two years from now.

Hopefully, the significant number of call-ups from this past season is a positive sign of things to come for the Canucks feeder system. An AHL team that routinely provides one bottom-six forward, a sixth-defenseman or more per season, would go a long way to solving the Canucks cap space issues. Tampa Bay and Toronto have consistently found ways to polish late-round picks into credible NHL pieces. The Canucks replicating the Tampa/Toronto depth-replenishment model through their scouting, drafting, and AHL development process would additionally do wonders to rebuilding consumer confidence in the organization.

Nashville has been rumoured to look for a bit of a shake up. I guess Poile found it better to get something for a player that they could possibly lose for nothing.

Re-tool on the fly?
- manvanfan

Yeah, I get it, but they are going to lose someone for nothing, so at what point does it start to hurt more than help?

Yeah, I get it, but they are going to lose someone for nothing, so at what point does it start to hurt more than help?
- 1970vintage

Why don't you just answer your own question.

The guy who wrote that article is a f*cken tool

He twists the rules to make it look pathetic, typical media bullsh1t.

Canucks never used the AHL to develop players ? Markstrom , oh wait rules are bent he wasn't drafted by Canucks or he had previous AHL experience with Florida.

Anyone can work the numbers to make it look the way they want.

I noticed he never talked about the Development of Petey Hoglander Boeser Podkolzin

Why don't you just answer your own question.
- manvanfan

I don’t know the answer, I’m asking the question for other’s perspective.

Tbere’s probably a point at which you are ‘willing’ to lose someone for free.

For instance, Canucks clearly wouldn’t want to lose Horvat to expansion. But does trading him for assets make things better or would trading assets to keep him and lose something else be better?

I think just biting the bullet and letting Seattle take whatever they want off your list is the way to go, but I’m sure others see it differently.

The guy who wrote that article is a f*cken tool

He twists the rules to make it look pathetic, typical media bullsh1t.

Canucks never used the AHL to develop players ? Markstrom , oh wait rules are bent he wasn't drafted by Canucks or he had previous AHL experience with Florida.

Anyone can work the numbers to make it look the way they want.

I noticed he never talked about the Development of Petey Hoglander Boeser Podkolzin
- VANTEL

Combined AHL experience 0 games.

I'm not really wondering why he never talked about the AHL development of players that never played a single game in the AHL.

You're reaching a new level of personal "my narrative is better" vendetta vs the articles written about the Canucks/AHL affiliates.

The guy who wrote that article is a f*cken tool

He twists the rules to make it look pathetic, typical media bullsh1t.

Canucks never used the AHL to develop players ? Markstrom , oh wait rules are bent he wasn't drafted by Canucks or he had previous AHL experience with Florida.

Anyone can work the numbers to make it look the way they want.

I noticed he never talked about the Development of Petey Hoglander Boeser Podkolzin
- VANTEL

I didn’t read it, but he’s just talking about the AHL. If that was the only way to get players from draft age to the NHL it would be a problem. But it isn’t, so it isn’t.

You can’t be suggesting that the organization has done a “good” job of developing NHL players through their AHL affiliations can you? Because it’s pretty clear without doing any research that they haven’t.

Tyler Toffoli was a terrible signing by the Habs. 4.5 Mil spent on a guy with no goals in the SCF.

See anyone can twist numbers. I feel more sorry for the saps that take it in and think it is an issue.

I don’t know the answer, I’m asking the question for other’s perspective.

There’s probably a point at which you are ‘willing’ to lose someone for free.

For instance, Canucks clearly wouldn’t want to lose Horvat to expansion. But does trading him for assets make things better or would trading assets to keep him and lose something else be better?

I think just biting the bullet and letting Seattle take whatever they want off your list is the way to go, but I’m sure others see it differently.
- 1970vintage

I had given you my answer before.

Surely depends on the GM and how they feel about the team and players and who they are and aren't willing to lose. All GM's will surely feel a bit different. I don't think there is one answer for every team.

Grant McCagg
@grantmccagg
I asked a bunch of NHL scouts if they thought Wallstedt might be the first goalie to go top ten since Carey Price..and EVERY one of them said...."It may be Cossa." Do NOT be surprised if Cossa goes first..and in the top ten. He wowed scouts this year.

Awesome, great to see a bunch of meaningless random idiots from Twitter, (who are revered by other idiots here) being posted as knowledge.

ew, ew, what does Taj say, maybe wildidiot can give insight why Canucks suck at developing, oh here’s one from some brain dead dippoop, Benning to trade for OEL… oh no really.

Now we better have 50 posts that Benning better not, OEL is declining, Benning is an idiot.

And you guys mock the Mighty Leafs, pathetic

I didn’t read it, but he’s just talking about the AHL. If that was the only way to get players from draft age to the NHL it would be a problem. But it isn’t, so it isn’t.

You can’t be suggesting that the organization has done a “good” job of developing NHL players through their AHL affiliations can you? Because it’s pretty clear without doing any research that they haven’t.
- 1970vintage

Even your own research?

Awesome, great to see a bunch of meaningless random idiots from Twitter, (who are revered by other idiots here) being posted as knowledge.

ew, ew, what does Taj say, maybe wildidiot can give insight why Canucks suck at developing, oh here’s one from some brain dead dippoop, Benning to trade for OEL… oh no really.

Now we better have 50 posts that Benning better not, OEL is declining, Benning is an idiot.

And you guys mock the Mighty Leafs, pathetic
- Nuckerwhatever

I only pay attention to Troy from White Rock.

I didn’t read it, but he’s just talking about the AHL. If that was the only way to get players from draft age to the NHL it would be a problem. But it isn’t, so it isn’t.

You can’t be suggesting that the organization has done a “good” job of developing NHL players through their AHL affiliations can you? Because it’s pretty clear without doing any research that they haven’t.
- 1970vintage

I am still in shock that in 51 years Canucks farm system has not developed a player with a Mike Tyson tattoo on his face.

I only pay attention to Troy from White Rock.
- Marwood

haven’t heard that name in a while, he probably has better knowledge and insight than all the BS Twitter poop manvanfan posts, probably even better takes overall in hockey than manvanfan, but the bar is low there.

Tyler Toffoli was a terrible signing by the Habs. 4.5 Mil spent on a guy with no goals in the SCF.

See anyone can twist numbers. I feel more sorry for the saps that take it in and think it is an issue.
- VANTEL

Literally was invisible the entire final round.

Invisible.

Montreal was invisible the entire final round.

Invisible.
- LordHumungous

Yup.

Literally was invisible the entire final round.

Invisible.
- LordHumungous

I think he went the last 11 games without scoring . He still is a good player though.

Other than Suzuki Hab’s don’t have much of a threat. I liked Armia but they just didn’t have the fire power. They rode Danault throughout the PO’s.

All the fan brawls at the soccer match is nuts/awesome