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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:18 AM ET

Taj
@taj1944
Everyone seems to be hinting strongly at Canucks making a trade in the next week before the expansion lists have to be submitted.

Aggressive Jimbo about to get to work.

EvolvingWild
@EvolvingWild
Replying to
@EvolvingWild
If Benning trades for OEL (or another terrible big money defenseman), he deserves to lose Pettersson to an offer sheet.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:25 AM ET
Taj
@taj1944
Everyone seems to be hinting strongly at Canucks making a trade in the next week before the expansion lists have to be submitted.

Aggressive Jimbo about to get to work.

EvolvingWild
@EvolvingWild
Replying to
@EvolvingWild
If Benning trades for OEL (or another terrible big money defenseman), he deserves to lose Pettersson to an offer sheet.

- manvanfan

I don't think you'll see Benning trade for OEL, he's got some cleanup work to do before he can pull something like that off and he knows it.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:28 AM ET
Since the last lockout #31


- LeftCoaster

There might be a correlation between drafting top 3 and winning cups coming soon.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:31 AM ET
I don't think you'll see Benning trade for OEL, he's got some cleanup work to do before he can pull something like that off and he knows it.
- LeftCoaster

I wouldn't take OEL at half his salary for the next 6 years.

That's just a bonkers contract. For a player that's been in decline for 2 years already.

Rather get rid of Schmidt's contract and get Hamonic and someone else back on around 3M a season for a few years.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 11 @ 10:34 AM ET
Taj
@taj1944
Everyone seems to be hinting strongly at Canucks making a trade in the next week before the expansion lists have to be submitted.

Aggressive Jimbo about to get to work.

EvolvingWild
@EvolvingWild
Replying to
@EvolvingWild
If Benning trades for OEL (or another terrible big money defenseman), he deserves to lose Pettersson to an offer sheet.

- manvanfan

LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:38 AM ET
There might be a correlation between drafting top 3 and winning cups coming soon.
- manvanfan

I think that's a foregone conclusion
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:38 AM ET
I wouldn't take OEL at half his salary for the next 6 years.

That's just a bonkers contract. For a player that's been in decline for 2 years already.

Rather get rid of Schmidt's contract and get Hamonic and someone else back on around 3M a season for a few years.

- manvanfan

Do you think it has anything to do with the team he's on, or just a general decline on his part?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:42 AM ET
I think that's a foregone conclusion
- LeftCoaster

Quick check

Top of the 4 Penguins. 4 top 3 picks.
Blackhawks 3 top 3 picks
Tampa Bay 3 top 3 picks.


LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:44 AM ET
Quick check

Top of the 4 Penguins. 4 top 3 picks.
Blackhawks 3 top 3 picks
Tampa Bay 3 top 3 picks.

- manvanfan

Losing and being lucky, Patick Kane pick, has a lot to do with success.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:47 AM ET
Do you think it has anything to do with the team he's on, or just a general decline on his part?
- LeftCoaster

Arizona has played a pretty tight defensive system under Tocchet. Other pairs are mostly around even but the pairing of OEL and Lybushkin was pretty much the worst they had by far in almost all category.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 11 @ 10:48 AM ET
Arizona has played a pretty tight defensive system under Tocchet. Other pairs are mostly around even but the pairing of OEL and Lybushkin was pretty much the worst they had by far in almost all category.
- manvanfan

I'd stay far away from that contract!!!
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 10:58 AM ET
I'd stay far away from that contract!!!
- LeftCoaster

That makes it even worse.

Pretty much Keith Yandle in Florida who at 2M less per season has been on a decline the last couple of years. Was going to be a healthy scratch this year but ended up playing 17 minutes per game instead. Still decent production mostly PP for Yandle.

I just don't know how JB is taking that unless it's at half and Arizona's first round pick is coming back next season top 3 only way Arizona would be allowed to keep it.

Contract might be the worst in the league now.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 11 @ 11:00 AM ET
I wouldn't take OEL at half his salary for the next 6 years.

That's just a bonkers contract. For a player that's been in decline for 2 years already.

Rather get rid of Schmidt's contract and get Hamonic and someone else back on around 3M a season for a few years.

- manvanfan


manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:13 AM ET

- Codes1087

This UFA right handed draft class brings a lot of what Van could use. Hits and blocked shots.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:50 AM ET

YoungJudd
@YoungJudd_1
It looks like there have been some changes within the #Canucks amateur scouting department:

-Todd Harvey officially has his title changed to Director of Amateur Scouting.

-Wyatt Smith has been promoted to head scout.

-Phil Golding has been promoted to head scout.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
YoungJudd
@YoungJudd_1
It looks like there have been some changes within the #Canucks amateur scouting department:

-Todd Harvey officially has his title changed to Director of Amateur Scouting.

-Wyatt Smith has been promoted to head scout.

-Phil Golding has been promoted to head scout.

- manvanfan

Is that part of the new 2 year plan is it part of the day by day management?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:56 AM ET
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:57 AM ET
Is that part of the new 2 year plan is it part of the day by day management?
- Marwood

That tweet was from July 2nd.

This is the first I am learning about the other two being promoted.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
Player Base: Age and Scoring

46% of the AHL’s 2019-20 player base did not appear in 2020-21
40% of the AHL’s top-50 producers in 2019-20 did not return to the AHL in the 2020-21 season
40% of the AHL’s top-300 producers in 2019-20 did not return to the AHL in 2020-21


watered down is a bit of an understatement
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 12:12 PM ET
According to Cody Severton

Since 10-11 the Canucks farm system has developed (players that played 50 plus AHL games) with no previous AHL or NHL experience

5 players

Chris Tanev
Thatcher Demko
Jalen Chatfield
Zack MacEwen
Olli Juolevi

Tampa Bay and Toronto have consistently found ways to polish late-round picks into credible NHL pieces. The Canucks replicating the Tampa/Toronto depth-replenishment model through their scouting, drafting, and AHL development process would additionally do wonders to rebuilding consumer confidence in the organization.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Briesbois
Jake
Sautner
Juolevi
Lind
Gadjovich
Corrado
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:47 PM ET
watered down is a bit of an understatement
- manvanfan


So Gadjovic might not be a PPG player?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:49 PM ET

- manvanfan


At what point does trading away all your current players for draft picks (so you don’t lose them to Seattle) start to hurt your NHL roster? I mean, you are going to lose a player, and you have to expose F,F,D,G.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:51 PM ET
Briesbois
Jake
Sautner
Juolevi
Lind
Gadjovich
Corrado

- VANTEL


Are these buyout candidates, expansion fodder or players who have been developed in the AHL?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 12:51 PM ET
From "My Swedish draft board
https://mikaelholm.substa...k.com/p/swedishdraftboard
Theo Angesved (Frölunda J20 – J20 Nationell)

Angesved is a player on the smaller side (if 5’11”, 172lbs) with very good puck-moving skills. He is comfortable on the puck and can get the puck up the ice by either finding his teammates with passes or he can carry it on his own. I think he is a little bit slow-moving but with his move to Frölunda this off-season he will get the opportunity to improve that.

He has some issues with his decision making without the puck. He can get a bit stuck in the middle between closing up on his opponent or backing off and that will make it easier for his opponent to get past him. He can also be a bit too eager to pinch and get fooled.

Despite his size, Angesved isn’t afraid of going into the tougher areas of the ice and he is surprisingly good at winning the puck along the boards. There is definitely a solid defenseman in the works with Angesved and that is why he is listed for me.

Range: 4th round.


Arvid Sundin (Brynäs J20 – J20 Nationell)

Sundin has a lot of tools to like. He is a quick and evasive skater who can take over a game with his skating. He has nice solid hands that makes it hard to take the puck away from him. He is very good defensively as well, he scores a lot on the penalty kill thanks to being smart defensively and his skating. He has a good shot that he can pick corners with although it is not anything standout or special. I think Sundin could become a third line winger who does a lot of work on the penalty kill and a player that every team would love to have thanks to his work ethic, speed and hands.

Range: 4-5th round.

Range 6th or 7th I'd go far.
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