What about making some assets (draft picks) contingent on the extension? From the player perspective, it isn’t like he has had a chance to tour the Flyers facilities, meet staff, coaches and players…is it reasonable to commit without that when he is just a year away from being an UFA?
- NC Flyers Fan

I guess it depends on what else needs to be given up to land him. For a possible one year rental, I wouldn’t give much.

You can make all the comments you want about me but it won't be effective. Complain all you want. The results will be the same I will continue to point out the reality and the facts.
- MJL

the issue is its not reality and facts, its your opinion. But you like to think your opinion is facts. cant wait until you realize the difference

Elliotte Friedman's 33 thoughts...


12. I’m going to stress that this situation has been described as “not acrimonious” to me, but Philadelphia and Jakub Voracek have discussed that it might be time for a change, as well. Voracek is expected to be left unprotected for the expansion draft (and was told so), where former Flyers coach Dave Hakstol would weigh in. Should that fail, Philly will look elsewhere. There are three years left on his contract, with cash slightly lower than his cap hit of $8.25 million. Both sides are also prepared for the possibility a trade won’t occur, so he stays put. But there will be a legit attempt to move him.

Also...

https://www.broadstreetho...raken-expansion-draft-nhl

Let's start a Mock Draft!

With pick No 1 in the 2021 NHL Entry Draft, the Buffalo Sabres select..........

1. Matthew Beniers - C - Univ of Michigan

Insurance for Eichel leaving.

Elliotte Friedman's 33 thoughts...


12. I’m going to stress that this situation has been described as “not acrimonious” to me, but Philadelphia and Jakub Voracek have discussed that it might be time for a change, as well. Voracek is expected to be left unprotected for the expansion draft (and was told so), where former Flyers coach Dave Hakstol would weigh in. Should that fail, Philly will look elsewhere. There are three years left on his contract, with cash slightly lower than his cap hit of $8.25 million. Both sides are also prepared for the possibility a trade won’t occur, so he stays put. But there will be a legit attempt to move him.

Also...

https://www.broadstreetho...raken-expansion-draft-nhl
- DraftandDestroy

If only this would be the case. I am so ready for JV to be gone. I don’t hate him as a player. While he does get his points he is not a game changer. For what he is pulling in I expect more.
It’s not his fault he’s pulling in star level money and not a star.
There are to many holes in his game imo.
The flyers would be better off having that cap money available to allocate elsewhere.

I think the talk is that Nashville might be more willing to part with Ellis now. He is under contract for a reasonable 6.25M for 6 years. That will appeal to several teams. Do the Flyers make a trade for him?
- NC Flyers Fan

Ellis has had injury issues and the Flyers should stay away from him due to the term left on his deal.

Here is another question: Should the Flyers bet on themselves and still trade for Jones without the guarantee that he will re-sign? If he loves it and is in fact a great fit, he would extend. He has earned the right to go long enough to see if it’s the right fit first. You can’t blame him for that. Perhaps the draft pick compensation can be contingent on reaching an extension.
- NC Flyers Fan

I would vote no.

Elliotte Friedman's 33 thoughts...


12. I’m going to stress that this situation has been described as “not acrimonious” to me, but Philadelphia and Jakub Voracek have discussed that it might be time for a change, as well. Voracek is expected to be left unprotected for the expansion draft (and was told so), where former Flyers coach Dave Hakstol would weigh in. Should that fail, Philly will look elsewhere. There are three years left on his contract, with cash slightly lower than his cap hit of $8.25 million. Both sides are also prepared for the possibility a trade won’t occur, so he stays put. But there will be a legit attempt to move him.

Also...

https://www.broadstreetho...raken-expansion-draft-nhl
- DraftandDestroy

Please, please and please!!!!! I've actually wanted Voracek out of here for a couple of years! He puts up pretty numbers, but his salary is way above what he brings to the table. I really think the change this off season needs to start with removing his salary from this roster and go from there. He doesn't play the game the right way and his hockey IQ leaves lots to be desired(never seen a guy make so many horrific passes through the seam that get turned around in the other direction). He's not aggressive and I could go on and on. Get her done!!!

Let's start a Mock Draft!

With pick No 1 in the 2021 NHL Entry Draft, the Buffalo Sabres select..........

1. Matthew Beniers - C - Univ of Michigan

Insurance for Eichel leaving.
- DrMidnite

They already have cozens. They are taking powers or trading down

I would vote no.
- MJL

I would vote yes.

Elliotte Friedman's 33 thoughts...


12. I’m going to stress that this situation has been described as “not acrimonious” to me, but Philadelphia and Jakub Voracek have discussed that it might be time for a change, as well. Voracek is expected to be left unprotected for the expansion draft (and was told so), where former Flyers coach Dave Hakstol would weigh in. Should that fail, Philly will look elsewhere. There are three years left on his contract, with cash slightly lower than his cap hit of $8.25 million. Both sides are also prepared for the possibility a trade won’t occur, so he stays put. But there will be a legit attempt to move him.

Also...

https://www.broadstreetho...raken-expansion-draft-nhl
- DraftandDestroy

It’s been the elephant in the room since locker clean out day. If the Flyers make a big push for Hamilton, I think they really do need to clear Voracek’s salary this offseason.

I would vote yes.
- NC Flyers Fan

It's a guarantee that he does not sign with the Flyers and he goes to free agency.

Here is another question: Should the Flyers bet on themselves and still trade for Jones without the guarantee that he will re-sign? If he loves it and is in fact a great fit, he would extend. He has earned the right to go long enough to see if it’s the right fit first. You can’t blame him for that. Perhaps the draft pick compensation can be contingent on reaching an extension.
- NC Flyers Fan

I would not trade anyone of substance on the flyers or a legit prospect nor a first to get Jones with him being a pending UFA.

I would not trade anyone of substance on the flyers or a legit prospect nor a first to get Jones with him being a pending UFA.
- bird_dog_pa

Yes, it would have to be less and the draft compensation would have to be contingent on his extension.

Elliotte Friedman's 33 thoughts...


12. I’m going to stress that this situation has been described as “not acrimonious” to me, but Philadelphia and Jakub Voracek have discussed that it might be time for a change, as well. Voracek is expected to be left unprotected for the expansion draft (and was told so), where former Flyers coach Dave Hakstol would weigh in. Should that fail, Philly will look elsewhere. There are three years left on his contract, with cash slightly lower than his cap hit of $8.25 million. Both sides are also prepared for the possibility a trade won’t occur, so he stays put. But there will be a legit attempt to move him.

Also...

https://www.broadstreetho...raken-expansion-draft-nhl
- DraftandDestroy

I would imagine to get Seattle to take JV its going to come at a big cost. At least IMO it will cost their 1st round pick and 2.5M of retained salary. As far as a hockey trade I dont see anyone thats going to want an 8.25M player of JV stature. Other teams see what we see a guy who gives little to no effort defensively night after night. Not going to be easy to unload high salaried unwanted players as many teams have at least 1 of them. Seattle in drivers seat here

I would not trade anyone of substance on the flyers or a legit prospect nor a first to get Jones with him being a pending UFA.
- bird_dog_pa

In other words you dont want them to go after Jones which I agree with. He isnt signing here unless we grossly over pay as we did with Hayes and he is not worth 9-10M

the issue is its not reality and facts, its your opinion. But you like to think your opinion is facts. cant wait until you realize the difference
- bradster

You know. I know. Everyone knows


This will NEVER happen

It’s been the elephant in the room since locker clean out day. If the Flyers make a big push for Hamilton, I think they really do need to clear Voracek’s salary this offseason.
- NC Flyers Fan

Easier said then done....

Yes, it would have to be less and the draft compensation would have to be contingent on his extension.
- NC Flyers Fan

With what Jones has stated, Columbus wouldn't make a deal like that. It's a no-starter.

I would imagine to get Seattle to take JV its going to come at a big cost. At least IMO it will cost their 1st round pick and 2.5M of retained salary. As far as a hockey trade I dont see anyone thats going to want an 8.25M player of JV stature. Other teams see what we see a guy who gives little to no effort defensively night after night. Not going to be easy to unload high salaried unwanted players as many teams have at least 1 of them. Seattle in drivers seat here
- hfc355

I don't think salary can be retained on an expansion draft pick but I could be wrong.

Easier said then done....
- hfc355

He’s very easy to trade. He’s a good player with some pro’s and some con’s. The question is how much salary are flyers willing to retain? 25%? Jake at 6 mil is tradable. The return won’t be much but that’s not the value to philly the value is culture/core change and salary cap flexibility. Even if philly retains max 50% philly still gets culture/core change and 4mil cap reliefs over next 3 years.

Easily done

He’s very easy to trade. He’s a good player with some pro’s and some con’s. The question is how much salary are flyers willing to retain? 25%? Jake at 6 mil is tradable. The return won’t be much but that’s not the value to philly the value is culture/core change and salary cap flexibility. Even if philly retains max 50% philly still gets culture/core change and 4mil cap reliefs over next 3 years.

Easily done
- Stayin alive

The big question is does philly truly want the change ?

I would imagine to get Seattle to take JV its going to come at a big cost. At least IMO it will cost their 1st round pick and 2.5M of retained salary. As far as a hockey trade I dont see anyone thats going to want an 8.25M player of JV stature. Other teams see what we see a guy who gives little to no effort defensively night after night. Not going to be easy to unload high salaried unwanted players as many teams have at least 1 of them. Seattle in drivers seat here
- hfc355

I’m not thinking this is the course Seattle takes. I certainly wouldn’t give them a first.
I would possibly work out a deal with Seattle that they take another roster player for pennies on the dollar then make a trade for JV with the flyers retaining say $3m or under for say a 2022 2nd round pick.
If they were able to get JV for around 5M it’s a much better scenario for them.
If Hak feels like he can get a strong game out of Jake it’s not outside the realm of possibilities that this could happen.
Let me add I think this is unlikely to happen.
It really depends on who else is available for Seattle to get.

He’s very easy to trade. He’s a good player with some pro’s and some con’s. The question is how much salary are flyers willing to retain? 25%? Jake at 6 mil is tradable. The return won’t be much but that’s not the value to philly the value is culture/core change and salary cap flexibility. Even if philly retains max 50% philly still gets culture/core change and 4mil cap reliefs over next 3 years.

Easily done
- Stayin alive

Sure anyone is trade able but at what cost....you realize that 4M cap space has to be used to replace him and what type player are you getting for 4M???. Not like Flyers have forward prospects knocking on the door. I am in agreement I want JV out of here IMO he is a big part of the laziness we see from the team which isnt a good influence on the younger players. I disagree that he is a good player.

I’m not thinking this is the course Seattle takes. I certainly wouldn’t give them a first.
I would possibly work out a deal with Seattle that they take another roster player for pennies on the dollar then make a trade for JV with the flyers retaining say $3m or under for say a 2022 2nd round pick.
If they were able to get JV for around 5M it’s a much better scenario for them.
If Hak feels like he can get a strong game out of Jake it’s not outside the realm of possibilities that this could happen.
Let me add I think this is unlikely to happen.
It really depends on who else is available for Seattle to get.
- bird_dog_pa

Seattle is going to have their choice of at least 6-10 players similar to JV..high salaried players teams are trying to dump. They will likely take 1 or 2 of them depending on the compensation to do so and will take the highest package. Dont think a 2nd and salary retention will do it. Plus Hakstol knows what kind of player JV is and does he want that kind of player around a young team?? Doubt it