Source? Nowhere have I seen was any offer made. Flyers wouldnt have had the cap to make an offer
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Come on man. It was clearly sarcasm. You can go over the cap in the summer.

Are you trying to imply the flyers didn't have much interest in him?

so it comes down to you know exactly what he thinks, gotchya
- bradster

2 levels of rejection, like I said. If he rules out Philly this summer, and keeps teams other than Avs in the running, you tell me what his reasons for not keeping Philly and yet keeping others in short list could be.

In that case, you were the only one. He never said anything about guys retiring and staying in the area.

More to the point I saw you mention Stamkos and Pietro for the Leafs. Some context is in order.

Stamkos was very interested in playing for the Leafs. He was wined and dined and they went hard sell on him. But apparently, they scared him off with too big a push. I have also read that the reason they succeeded with JT and not with Stamkos is because the Leafs were much weaker 5-6 years ago in Stamkos romance time.

Pietro was apparently also very interested in playing for the Leafs. The Leafs were in the list of the 3 teams he wanted to play for. There were serious discussions with his agent. Apparently however, the interest was not reciprocated to the terms of his satisfaction. Probably, Leafs were spooked by yet another huge long term signing, with a guy over 30.
- PT21

Without documentation, this is all taken with a grain of salt but for conversation sake, lets assume what you post here is all true. So you mean a player negotiates with a team and then takes in all the factors and then makes a decision on who to sign with as a UFA? Really, how come that is not the case with the Flyers and instead is an indictment on the team?

Interesting read:


NHL trade advice: Aim for Matt Dumba instead of Seth Jones
https://nhl.nbcsports.com...ba-instead-of-seth-jones/

"Flyers have plenty of options and assets to make deals, they just need the right deal.

A team like the Preds, they will want to move Ekholm, they are rumored to really like Patrick. Myers yes had a bad year but the preds seem to be rebuilding. Would they take Patrick and Myers and a first? I don’t think Ekholm is the solution, it is just an example of a team like the preds in transition and the flyers with needs

Make a good deal CF, there out there"

assume you are referring to my post above, I was pretty clear in saying the Flyers needed a Right handed D and that I didn't think Ekholm was it. I used the example to show there are deals out there and CF needs to find the right one.

The rumor is the Preds are interested in Patrick so it was an easy to use as an example of how there will be deals out there, that it is just not the Flyers looking to change it up.

I added Myers and the 1st to complete the example of the trade. If Ekholm is on the block we know Patrick won't get the deal done, other teams would outbid the Flyers. Myers would make sense if you were bringing in Ekholm in and a pick would also make sense. I would not offer that to start nor would I want this deal. I want the RHD for Provy, I actually want Myers and Sanheim but we don't live in fantasy land, you have to give to get. The offer is not an example of silly season. Would it be silly for the Flyers to go that route? In my opinion, yes.

In reality CF is going to make a deal, you know that, we know that, we can say what we want and that is a legit conversation for this board. There is also the reality that most all see, changes are coming, that is a legit conversation for this board also.
- wcorvette

So you don't want to make that deal and you wouldn't make that specific deal so you suggested it anyway? None of what you posted here changes anything. Yes, that deal when looking at all factors is a perfect example of silly season. In my opinion.

if Ek was a RHD i would do it in a second. I dont see any major asset we are giving away in that scenario. Prob the most valuable in this is the 1st, but if its a weak draft, might not be that big of an issue.
- bradster

Even if Ekholm was RH, I wouldn't do that. It's an extreme overpay.

if he didnt sign with the flyers, and went somewhere, all that says is he prefers that team or they offered him more. Maybe the flyers are #2 on his list of 30 teams, and he signs with number 1. It doesnt say he doesnt think the flyers are contenders unless he actually says it. Dont try and interpret his thoughts.
- bradster

I dunno what sources you are refrring to, but Vegas ranks Flyers tied for 16th, 30/1 for the cup next year. Pretty much where they have finished last 4 seasons.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/
- PT21

He's most likely referring to actual hockey sources rather than the irrelevant odds in Vegas.

i dont understand what the scary part is?
- bradster

The possibility that they will be a team that is in sports purgatory. Improved and a solid team that is maxed out against the cap but is not good enough to truly contend. That is the worst place to be in sports as a team.

2 levels of rejection, like I said. If he rules out Philly this summer, and keeps teams other than Avs in the running, you tell me what his reasons for not keeping Philly and yet keeping others in short list could be.
- PT21

if you ask a girl out and she says no because you're ugly and you don't have a good enough job, you aren't rejected on 2 levels. You're just rejected.

His reasons are that as a future UFA, there are multiple teams that he wants to play for.

Interesting read:


NHL trade advice: Aim for Matt Dumba instead of Seth Jones
https://nhl.nbcsports.com...ba-instead-of-seth-jones/
- Tomahawk

I read this with interest. Thanks.

I personally feel this team is not in a position to sign someone like SJ for a long term. It just adds another gamble.

Dumba for 2 more years would be better.

The possibility that they will be a team that is in sports purgatory. Improved and a solid team that is maxed out against the cap but is not good enough to truly contend. That is the worst place to be in sports as a team.
- MJL

Same place they have been for the last decade.

Come on man. It was clearly sarcasm. You can go over the cap in the summer.

Are you trying to imply the flyers didn't have much interest in him?
- hello it's me 2050

Im implying Fletcher looked into what he was asking for, decided it was too much and moved on.

You can go over but you need to have a plan to get back under. Where are the Flyers getting that room? They have apparently been shopping Ghost for a while and found no takers.

Im implying Fletcher looked into what he was asking for, decided it was too much and moved on.

You can go over but you need to have a plan to get back under. Where are the Flyers getting that room? They have apparently been shopping Ghost for a while and found no takers.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So lets say AP comes to Fletcher and says if you give me the Vegas deal I will sign. You then believe the GM says thanks but no thanks that is too much?

Good organization and GM's always find a way. I wouldn't be too concerned if they went over the cap in the summer. They will get back under it by opening night.

Even if Ekholm was RH, I wouldn't do that. It's an extreme overpay.
- MJL

true. meyers and patrick are awesome Extreme overpay

So you don't want to make that deal and you wouldn't make that specific deal so you suggested it anyway? None of what you posted here changes anything. Yes, that deal when looking at all factors is a perfect example of silly season. In my opinion.
- MJL

you are welcome to your opinion, no I don't think it is the right direction for Philly, why I said it was an example of "there are deals out there". Only so much you can write while in the car. But if chuck went there, I do think he would offer something close to what I proposed.

I have been saying for a while now that the Flyers have 30 teams to trade with, even the cup champs have to make changes. If every team made a trade or signed a FA this season it would not surprise me. I have also said this was always the offseason that CF would be judged by, his first to really make an impact. He needs to make progress this season and then by next season the changes need to put the Flyers in a place where if all goes right they contend.

I am comcast I have CF on a 24 month plan, get it done.

im totally fine with no Seth jones, and would be happy with a savard, martinez/manson type pick up. We just need stronger Dmen, and hard to play against.

So lets say AP comes to Fletcher and says if you give me the Vegas deal I will sign. You then believe the GM says thanks but no thanks that is too much?

Good organization and GM's always find a way. I wouldn't be too concerned if they went over the cap in the summer. They will get back under it by opening night.
- hello it's me 2050

Seems AP knew he wanted to be on the West Coast and he new Vegas is where. So yeah, location and contention seem to be the 2 big factors. Interesting, some feel Vegas has hit their lid with their current group, they will need changes, coming into last season they were considered favorites. Now, If an FA goes to Vegas I am sure they will have to see a clear plan to contend.

im totally fine with no Seth jones, and would be happy with a savard, martinez/manson type pick up. We just need stronger Dmen, and hard to play against.
- bradster

Savards projected contract is silly, like 1 year at 1.7, I think that was based upon his regular season. I would think that the playoffs raised his value. At a contract similar I am signing him and not worrying about Braun or Hagg, though Hagg at his age is good to have around

If the Flyers do end up trading for Jones, Fletch will have his work cut out for him next offseason. Jones, Couts, & G UFAs. Farabee, Allison, Frost RFAs. There's also a long list of other prospects that will also be RFAs after this upcoming season. Too many for me to bother typing out

Savards projected contract is silly, like 1 year at 1.7, I think that was based upon his regular season. I would think that the playoffs raised his value. At a contract similar I am signing him and not worrying about Braun or Hagg, though Hagg at his age is good to have around
- wcorvette

i have no issue moving on from Hagg, he is a bottom pairing D, would prefer someone that can actually complete a pass.

i have no issue moving on from Hagg, he is a bottom pairing D, would prefer someone that can actually complete a pass.
- bradster

dont mind either if they had to but adding Savard would not require that and hagg is a good 6-7th D and cost controlled.

So lets say AP comes to Fletcher and says if you give me the Vegas deal I will sign. You then believe the GM says thanks but no thanks that is too much?

Good organization and GM's always find a way. I wouldn't be too concerned if they went over the cap in the summer. They will get back under it by opening night.
- hello it's me 2050

It depends on the situation. The Flyers were up against the cap. They had 3 mill to work with. AP signed for 8.8 mill.

Who are you moving to make the room for him during a flat cap season? Dont forget you have to replace the bodies moved as well.

Fletcher interviewed on NHL network today. Not much said but a few mildly surprising comments. On Morin being a UFA. “ We would love to have him back”

On NoPa, “ Expacting that he will make a major improvement this year showcasing the talent that is there”.

On whether rule changes are needed based upon the physical play and ref controversy in the playoffs. “No I like the more physical play of the playoffs” I wondered why then did he construct one of the softest teams in the league?

you are welcome to your opinion, no I don't think it is the right direction for Philly, why I said it was an example of "there are deals out there". Only so much you can write while in the car. But if chuck went there, I do think he would offer something close to what I proposed.


- wcorvette

If Fletcher offered what you proposed for Ekholm, he should be fired because he is incompetent.

I have been saying for a while now that the Flyers have 30 teams to trade with, even the cup champs have to make changes. If every team made a trade or signed a FA this season it would not surprise me. I have also said this was always the offseason that CF would be judged by, his first to really make an impact. He needs to make progress this season and then by next season the changes need to put the Flyers in a place where if all goes right they contend.

I am comcast I have CF on a 24 month plan, get it done.
- wcorvette

We'll have to see how the market unfolds. I think the flat cap is going to put a damper on things. More sellers than buyers.