I kinda doubt Giroux does that, given everything I read/hear about him. I am a bit more optimistic about Couts, given the guarded statements that have come from him after the season. I hope he does so, for his own sake.

Btw, you are very very harsh on the Flyers management. But I would like to remind you: its a business, and the business is not to win the cup to make you happy. Its to make money.

How many businesses/workers have you seen improve their product/service when it makes little difference to their bottom line? Sure, if they made a deep playoff run, there will be afew home games revenue, as BiggE pointed out some months back. But to make those deep playoff runs periodically, you would likely have to accept some pretty bad seasons before that.

Whats the incentive for a organization to do that if they have a steady assured source of income?
- PT21

Neither one are likely to do it. Not harsh at all. They are an arrogant bunch who still think they are top organization. Thats my take.

Such as? I just posted a list of notable free agents that have signed with the Flyers over ALL the years.


NAME. THE. PLAYERS.
- MBFlyerfan

Don't you remember when the Flyers got all of the top free agent players and the only reason they went elsewhere is well, you can't play everyone or pay everyone?

Such as? I just posted a list of notable free agents that have signed with the Flyers over ALL the years.


NAME. THE. PLAYERS.

And of course we are talking about other teams. The Flyers don't operate in a vacuum. What other teams do in this league matters. Believe it or not, it affects all the other teams.
- MBFlyerfan

Did AP sign with the flyers when he was a free agent?

flyers are a big market team who cant even get a seat at the dinner table.

Neither one are likely to do it. Not harsh at all. They are an arrogant bunch who still think they are top organization. Thats my take.
- hello it's me 2050

So, your opinion if they are a top organization is based on how many FA want to sign here? Well, history states they were NEVER a top organization using your simplistic criteria.

Did AP sign with the flyers when he was a free agent?

flyers are a big market team who cant even get a seat at the dinner table.
- hello it's me 2050

OMG one guy!


Go back to the kids table.

If Philly and the Flyers organization are so undesirable then why is their alumni association so strong? Why do so many former players remain in the area after they retire? If things are so bad, why do we hear former players talk candidly about how much they enjoyed their time in Philly?

It's not like Seth Jones is refusing to be traded to Philly. He's just not interested in a contract extension with the Flyers at this time, which is fine and definitely his prerogative. And if that is truly the case, then why should the Flyers trade valuable assets for potentially only one year of Jones? To me that's a step backwards considering the makeup of the team and the holes that need to be filled. The Flyers aren't close to contending for a Cup so a Jones rental doesn't make sense. But just because Jones isn't open to a contract extension that doesn't mean players don't want to play for the Flyers.
- KGBflyers10

Good lord. Go back and reread. Former players from how many decades ago? what part are you not getting we are talking present day and the last decade or o?

CF will certainly have the opportunity to earn every bit of his paycheck in the coming weeks. Clearly a potentially defining 3-4 weeks for the franchise for years to come.

OMG one guy!


Go back to the kids table.
- MBFlyerfan

Toronto was all in on trying to sign Pietrangelo. Storied franchise that is worth billions can't get a seat at the table.

OMG one guy!


Go back to the kids table.
- MBFlyerfan

answer my question. Did he sign with the flyers. Yes or no? then will name another.

you said who are the needle makers did you not?

Good lord. Go back and reread. Former players from how many decades ago? what part are you not getting we are talking present day and the last decade or o?
- hello it's me 2050

Last decade?

Danny Briere, Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen, Riley Cote. All retired and stayed in the Philly area.

What needle mover free agents have signed with the Flyers over the course of the teams history?

Briere
Tim Kerr (does he even count using the criteria we are working in?)
Roenick
I guess you can say Hartnell and Timonen but they were technically traded for then signed.
Forsberg?

Seems like its been the whole history of the franchise, not just recently.
- MBFlyerfan

Sooo aren't we digressing a bit though: never said anything about history... Its one thing to say that a player just happens to choose another team in the free market. Its quite another though if a player like Seth Jones is a priori ruling out a team like Flyers to even consider signing with.

I mean, 2 stages of refusal. One is I let you make the best offer and then perhaps I decide to choose someone else. The other is: you are not even in the list of teams I would consider an offer from.

Toronto was all in on trying to sign Pietrangelo. Storied franchise that is worth billions can't get a seat at the table.
- MJL

You have flyers wallpaper on your basement walls? Reality really stings for many flyers fans.

what s the franchise being worth billions have to do with anything?

CF will certainly have the opportunity to earn every bit of his paycheck in the coming weeks. Clearly a potentially defining 3-4 weeks for the franchise for years to come.
- mikeyo27

Flyers are in a very dangerous place right now and there is pressure from up top on Fletcher. Last year for certain spots, he chose not to make a move to replace a player for whatever reasons. I don't think that will be the case this year. He has to improve the team or he won't have the job for much longer. It's really scary actually.

Toronto was all in on trying to sign Pietrangelo. Storied franchise that is worth billions can't get a seat at the table.
- MJL

Toronto couldn't even sign Stamkos.

Last decade?

Danny Briere, Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen, Riley Cote. All retired and stayed in the Philly area.
- KGBflyers10

wow. Just wow. Still do not get it.

Flyers rule. Best in all of sports. No other players on former teams ever stay around when they are done. Excusive to the flyers only

Toronto couldn't even sign Stamkos.
- KGBflyers10

what does that have to do with the flyers inablity to sign stud players?

Sooo aren't we digressing a bit though: never said anything about history... Its one thing to say that a player just happens to choose another team in the free market. Its quite another though if a player like Seth Jones is a priori ruling out a team like Flyers to even consider signing with.

I mean, 2 stages of refusal. One is I let you make the best offer and then perhaps I decide to choose someone else. The other is: you are not even in the list of teams I would consider an offer from.
- PT21

It's not two stages of refusal, it's just a refusal. The player has earned the right to become a UFA after next season and pick who he wants to play for. It's a comedy act in how some are making this out to be more than it is. It's pretty much out there, he wants to test free agency or he wants to play for the AVS. Every other team except the Avs should hang their head in shame.

Toronto couldn't even sign Stamkos.
- KGBflyers10

It's an indictment against the team I tell you!

Did AP sign with the flyers when he was a free agent?

flyers are a big market team who cant even get a seat at the dinner table.
- hello it's me 2050

Did the Flyers offer AP a contract?

What needle mover free agents have signed with the Flyers over the course of the teams history?

Briere
Tim Kerr (does he even count using the criteria we are working in?)
Roenick
I guess you can say Hartnell and Timonen but they were technically traded for then signed.
Forsberg?

Seems like its been the whole history of the franchise, not just recently.
- MBFlyerfan

We are not talking team history and you know this. We are talking the present and last decade. Hey keep making excuses for this franchise. They love fans like you.

the needle mover comment went over your head i guess.

Flyers are in a very dangerous place right now and there is pressure from up top on Fletcher. Last year for certain spots, he chose not to make a move to replace a player for whatever reasons. I don't think that will be the case this year. He has to improve the team or he won't have the job for much longer. It's really scary actually.
- MJL

The amount of money lost from the pandemic the past two seasons is also going to factor into their thought process this offseason. Dave Scott, no doubt, is going to want Fletcher to try and make a big splash to get people back into the seats, especially considering all the renovations they did two years ago.

Last decade?

Danny Briere, Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen, Riley Cote. All retired and stayed in the Philly area.
- KGBflyers10

I don't want to nitpick because I see little evidence that players are avoiding Flyers actively, but the first 3 were 15 odd years ago.

And ha ha about Riley Cote.

Did the Flyers offer AP a contract?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

. Amazes me how defensive many get. Cant talk bad about their beloved flyers.

I don't want to nitpick because I see little evidence that players are avoiding Flyers actively, but the first 3 were 15 odd years ago.

And ha ha about Riley Cote.
- PT21

I was talking about players who finished their careers and remained in the area, not free agent signings, FYI.

It's not two stages of refusal, it's just a refusal. The player has earned the right to become a UFA after next season and pick who he wants to play for. It's a comedy act in how some are making this out to be more than it is. It's pretty much out there, he wants to test free agency or he wants to play for the AVS. Every other team except the Avs should hang their head in shame.

- MJL

If that is the narrative you want to spin by all means.