How is the extra year worth Myers? What about the health risks the Flyers are taking on? What is that worth?
- MJL

Who else should we throw in! It’s one for one or it’s no thanks. Folks are acting like St Louis is trading from a position of power, the guy hasn’t played half a season in two years

How is the extra year worth Myers? What about the health risks the Flyers are taking on? What is that worth?
- MJL

I guess the question is Myers replaceable with the 1M you gain in cap space, plus the cap space he is costing you? After his play last year, I think you could replace it. Will Myers be better next year? I don't know. But I do know that if healthy, Tarasenko makes this team better and can slot in for Jake. If he goes on IR then that will hurt the team, so I get your point on preferring a straight up deal. But if healthy, Flyers win that trade hands down.

Who else should we throw in! It’s one for one or it’s no thanks. Folks are acting like St Louis is trading from a position of power, the guy hasn’t played half a season in two years
- ClaudeFather

The trade proposals as usual are nuts. A 1st, Myers and Patrick for Ekholm?


We need a top pairing RH defenseman so lets give up major assets and drastically overpay for a 2nd pairing LH defenseman who is already over 30. Crazy talk.

I guess the question is Myers replaceable with the 1M you gain in cap space, plus the cap space he is costing you? After his play last year, I think you could replace it. Will Myers be better next year? I don't know. But I do know that if healthy, Tarasenko makes this team better and can slot in for Jake. If he goes on IR then that will hurt the team, so I get your point on preferring a straight up deal. But if healthy, Flyers win that trade hands down.
- JW98FlyerFan

Adding in Myers for your if scenario is insane. He’s a big mobile Dman trying to find his game, not the type of player you just give away

The trade proposals as usual are nuts. A 1st, Myers and Patrick for Ekholm?


We need a top pairing RH defenseman so lets give up major assets and drastically overpay for a 2nd pairing LH defenseman who is already over 30. Crazy talk.
- MJL

Hockey talk in July for you lol

I guess the question is Myers replaceable with the 1M you gain in cap space, plus the cap space he is costing you? After his play last year, I think you could replace it. Will Myers be better next year? I don't know. But I do know that if healthy, Tarasenko makes this team better and can slot in for Jake. If he goes on IR then that will hurt the team, so I get your point on preferring a straight up deal. But if healthy, Flyers win that trade hands down.
- JW98FlyerFan

When dealing with young players, you look at their potential as part of their value, not just what they are now. Otherwise you can make that statement about any player.

I like the idea of trading a playmaker type of player for a player who is more of a shooter and a goal scorer. However, his injury history means the Flyers take on the risk.

Adding in Myers for your if scenario is insane. He’s a big mobile Dman trying to find his game, not the type of player you just give away
- ClaudeFather

My proposal was Jake and and our 2nd rounder...I added in that if the second wasn't enough maybe consider including Myers since I think at 2.5M per yer and the 1M you gain in the cap hit from Tarasenko you can find a player to fill in Myers role.

I agree and I would prefer a straight up trade as MJL said, but I think there is going to have to be a draft pick too because of the salary cap mismatch. My thought was a second, and it had to be a player (assuming the health issues are resolved) then Myers could make sense. I would be happy if they would take NAK instead, but I don't think that moves the needle enough.

When dealing with young players, you look at their potential as part of their value, not just what they are now. Otherwise you can make that statement about any player.

I like the idea of trading a playmaker type of player for a player who is more of a shooter and a goal scorer. However, his injury history means the Flyers take on the risk.
- MJL

I agree with you on the Voracek for Taransenko only as a one for one. No need to add as Flyers are tking risk. Also he has a no move so the Blues lose some leverage in this if he is good with going to the Flyers

When dealing with young players, you look at their potential as part of their value, not just what they are now. Otherwise you can make that statement about any player.

I like the idea of trading a playmaker type of player for a player who is more of a shooter and a goal scorer. However, his injury history means the Flyers take on the risk.
- MJL

I like Myers as a player and think he will be a solid 3-4 moving forward as he figures it out...so assume he is out of the trade, do you add the pick to cover the cap gain we get? or is the risk balanced enough straight up? I just think there is going to be another GM that will be foolish enough to offer more, and this is a good chance for the GM to make a move that could really help in 2 years and not require the Flyers over over pay to unload the contract in a year or two.

My proposal was Jake and and our 2nd rounder...I added in that if the second wasn't enough maybe consider including Myers since I think at 2.5M per yer and the 1M you gain in the cap hit from Tarasenko you can find a player to fill in Myers role.

I agree and I would prefer a straight up trade as MJL said, but I think there is going to have to be a draft pick too because of the salary cap mismatch. My thought was a second, and it had to be a player (assuming the health issues are resolved) then Myers could make sense. I would be happy if they would take NAK instead, but I don't think that moves the needle enough.
- JW98FlyerFan

No offense but there is no spin or situation that would make it make sense to include Myers going to St. Louis. None.

Tells you what he thinks of the flyers then.
- hello it's me 2050

Or other 25+ teams 😜

I like Myers as a player and think he will be a solid 3-4 moving forward as he figures it out...so assume he is out of the trade, do you add the pick to cover the cap gain we get? or is the risk balanced enough straight up? I just think there is going to be another GM that will be foolish enough to offer more, and this is a good chance for the GM to make a move that could really help in 2 years and not require the Flyers over over pay to unload the contract in a year or two.
- JW98FlyerFan

Do you make a bad move and overpay and take on that risk because another team might offer more? I don't.

If I'm trading Myers, it's in part of a deal to get a top pairing RH defenseman. Otherwise, I'm keeping him. Myers has a chance to be more than a 2nd pair player. His physical skills are strong. My only concern is that he has to mentally bounce back from last year and sometimes young players don't.

Or other 25+ teams 😜
- missingmike

He wants out, if the Flyers made a realistic play for him I’d think he waived the NMC. That does travel with him though correct? Wouldn’t that leave us exposing another forward, assuming we were leaving Jake off of our protection list?

I agree with you on the Voracek for Taransenko only as a one for one. No need to add as Flyers are tking risk. Also he has a no move so the Blues lose some leverage in this if he is good with going to the Flyers
- J35Bacher

With you as well.

Never let another man urinate on you.

He wants out, if the Flyers made a realistic play for him I’d think he waived the NMC. That does travel with him though correct? Wouldn’t that leave us exposing another forward, assuming we were leaving Jake off of our protection list?
- ClaudeFather

Once a player is traded, the NMC is null and void. However a player as a condition of waiving to accept a trade to a team, can request that the NMC is kept. The team trading for him has to agree to that.

Make the deal after the ED.

If SJ doesn't indeed want to sign with Flyers AND he goes to a team other than the Avs, that would be a pretty powerful indictment of not just the current state of the team, but also its reasonable future trajectory. Because that would say that he doesn't expect Flyers to be contenders during the near to intermediate future irrespective of what they are likely gonna do.

Honestly, this might well be what the Flyers need. If it becomes common knowledge that Flyers are not a happening team for a while, a significant part of the fan base might tune out. As they did with Hawks before the recent dynasty, Bruins for many years the Chara reign, Pens before Crosby Malkin era, Tampa Bay in the year after their 2004 cup into the Hedman signing, LA prior to a couple of years into the Doughty era and so on.

When teams are not filling up seats in % terms by a large margin, there is an economic incentive for them to change course. Flyers almost always are at max, good years or bad. The reason for long term structural changes is absent.

If SJ doesn't indeed want to sign with Flyers AND he goes to a team other than the Avs, that would be a pretty powerful indictment of not just the current state of the team, but also its reasonable future trajectory. Because that would say that he doesn't expect Flyers to be contenders during the near to intermediate future irrespective of what they are likely gonna do.


- PT21

It is absolutely not an indictment on the Flyers in any way. It's simply one player using his future UFA leverage to play where he wants to play. No reason to make it out to be more than it is.

Once a player is traded, the NMC is null and void. However a player as a condition of waiving to accept a trade to a team, can request that the NMC is kept. The team trading for him has to agree to that.

Make the deal after the ED.
- MJL

Agree, this is a post ED and pre Draft move.

With you as well.

Never let another man urinate on you.
- Nh_kong

How about several Russian hookers?

Asking for a friend.

My proposal was Jake and and our 2nd rounder...I added in that if the second wasn't enough maybe consider including Myers since I think at 2.5M per yer and the 1M you gain in the cap hit from Tarasenko you can find a player to fill in Myers role.

I agree and I would prefer a straight up trade as MJL said, but I think there is going to have to be a draft pick too because of the salary cap mismatch. My thought was a second, and it had to be a player (assuming the health issues are resolved) then Myers could make sense. I would be happy if they would take NAK instead, but I don't think that moves the needle enough.
- JW98FlyerFan

Also, Tarasenko has 2 years remaining. jake has 3.

EDIT: I see this was already discussed by you earlier.

Tells you what he thinks of the flyers then.
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah I think this "no one wants to sign with the Flyers" thing is overblown nonsense.

Yeah I think this "no one wants to sign with the Flyers" thing is overblown nonsense.
- MBFlyerfan

It couldn't possibly be that those 3 teams are mentioned because they're pursuing the player and the Flyers aren't? No way, it has to be because the Flyers suck and nobody wants to play for them.

He wants out, if the Flyers made a realistic play for him I’d think he waived the NMC. That does travel with him though correct? Wouldn’t that leave us exposing another forward, assuming we were leaving Jake off of our protection list?
- ClaudeFather

why do you think he would waive it for the Flyers?

If there was a deal to be made 1 for 1 or even if flyers add a mid level prospect/or pick they would be foolish to even hesitate for one second. I easily take the risk unless the doctors say no way 100%. You make the deal Sonny.

If SJ doesn't indeed want to sign with Flyers AND he goes to a team other than the Avs, that would be a pretty powerful indictment of not just the current state of the team, but also its reasonable future trajectory. Because that would say that he doesn't expect Flyers to be contenders during the near to intermediate future irrespective of what they are likely gonna do.

Honestly, this might well be what the Flyers need. If it becomes common knowledge that Flyers are not a happening team for a while, a significant part of the fan base might tune out. As they did with Hawks before the recent dynasty, Bruins for many years the Chara reign, Pens before Crosby Malkin era, Tampa Bay in the year after their 2004 cup into the Hedman signing, LA prior to a couple of years into the Doughty era and so on.

When teams are not filling up seats in % terms by a large margin, there is an economic incentive for them to change course. Flyers almost always are at max, good years or bad. The reason for long term structural changes is absent.
- PT21

Best thing that could happen, however unlikely, is Captain Comfortable and ex selke waking as free agents or telling them they are not resigning.

Maybe that is what this smug organization needs. A kick in the teeth by their own hme grown players telling them to poind sand.

Yeah I think this "no one wants to sign with the Flyers" thing is overblown nonsense.
- MBFlyerfan

It isn't that none wants to. It seems to be, to borrow a word from another poster, the needle movers don't want to. Not overblown at all imo.