If not Seattle, then next offseason might be slightly easier. Either way, it will need to be a “hockey trade.”
- NC Flyers Fan

Could be something ridiculous like jake to la for doughty. Not saying that is the exact offer but weird things have happened in the past.

Could be something ridiculous like jake to la for doughty. Not saying that is the exact offer but weird things have happened in the past.
- Peter Richards

LA wont move Doughty. They are looking to be competitive this season. Makes little sense to deal their Top Dman after acquiring Arvidsson

Next off-season would depend a lot on how this season goes for him. It's unlikely cap will rise by a lot.

Personally fine if we hold on to him. I think the combination of his production and his cap hit is an anchor that will drag the team down to a higher draft pick, so I am all for it.In that regard, I would be pleased if we have another season like this. And as a result of that, I would be quite delighted if Couts decides his future is elsewhere.
- PT21

If you see an old tomato drop nearby, perhaps whizz by your ear, know that I threw it.

So we are going to retain 50% of a 8.25 mill contract just for the sake of moving a guy? It makes no sense to have 4.125 in dead space for 2-3 years
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Try looking at it this way

Jake stays and we PAY him 8+/3yrs and no change… status quo

We trade him and retain 50% AND sign a player for 4mil/3yrs that is someone that fits a need we all seem to agree on like a responsible physical player in bottom 6 that has a little offense( whoever) or a good 3c with little offense and good defensively since nopa blows again (whoever) or a stabilizing bottom pair vet dman to help again whoever) or some form of maybe like what pitlick brought and a solid back up goalie combo again (whoever)

Keeping Jake is just status quo. Even trading him and retaining 50% opens up cap to use to fill many different team needs. While yes retaining 50% blows on his salary BUT it still opens up 4 mil for next 3 years.

That is soooo much better than option of keeping him around.

Obviously if a deal can be made NOT retaining the 50% is better possibly depending other factors

The crazy move is to ADD picks or prospects simply to move his full contract. Price would be high. For example no one is gonna trade for his full contract and say add a 7th round pick. They gonna ask for a top going prospect or high pick.

No way giving up those assets when can simply make a trade and bite the bullet on some cap retention and still IMPROVE an area of the team for the current

If you see an old tomato drop nearby, perhaps whizz by your ear, know that I threw it.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well, I am used to you not getting me...😉

Could be something ridiculous like jake to la for doughty. Not saying that is the exact offer but weird things have happened in the past.
- Peter Richards

I thought Burns for Voracek was in the realistic realm.

I thought Burns for Voracek was in the realistic realm.
- NC Flyers Fan

I'll take Voracek over Burns at this point. It only makes sense to retain salary to move Voracek if you're going to use the space gained to make a move to significantly upgrade the team. Moving him and retaining just to move him doesn't make sense obviously.

I'll take Voracek over Burns at this point. It only makes sense to retain salary to move Voracek if you're going to use the space gained to make a move to significantly upgrade the team. Moving him and retaining just to move him doesn't make sense obviously.
- MJL

Of course, it depends on the specific trade if it makes any sense to retain. I don’t think we improve by retaining a lot.

Well, I am used to you not getting me...😉
- PT21

I get you pal. Unfortunately I don’t know what I want more. As much as I would enjoy you guys wandering in the desert of suck, big picture it may result in more serotonin if the organization just remains mired in mediocrity in perpetuity. I’m fully aware the pens championship window has yawned. Need to find the joy where it blooms.

That being said, couturier leaving as an FA for nothing is a gigantic blunder. I know you think it’s the lesser of two evils compared to hitching up to him long term, but still. That simply cannot be allowed to happen.

I get you pal. Unfortunately I don’t know what I want more. As much as I would enjoy you guys wandering in the desert of suck, big picture it may result in more serotonin if the organization just remains mired in mediocrity in perpetuity. I’m fully aware the pens championship window has yawned. Need to find the joy where it blooms.

That being said, couturier leaving as an FA for nothing is a gigantic blunder. I know you think it’s the lesser of two evils compared to hitching up to him long term, but still. That simply cannot be allowed to happen.
- stayinthefnnet

Desert of suck is never gonna happen here. Or at least, we wouldn't stay there for long.

Who said Couts would go for nothing? Lets say around December we are 21st in league. He informs brass he will test FA. We then trade him to Avs for rental price of Kadrii + Timmins/Newhook. Term and AAV for both is a wash (both are UFA after next season).. Couts centers Landeskog in 2nd line. Imagine the upgrade there for a contender like Avs. If they also have Seth, thats a championship team.

Desert of suck is never gonna happen here. Or at least, we wouldn't stay there for long.

Who said Couts would go for nothing? Lets say around December we are 21st in league. He informs brass he will test FA. We then trade him to Avs for rental price of Kadrii + Timmins/Newhook. Term and AAV for both is a wash (both are UFA after next season).. Couts centers Landeskog in 2nd line. Imagine the upgrade there for a contender like Avs. If they also have Seth, thats a championship team.
- PT21

Kadri/new hook 🤮🤮🤮
That’s why coots should be traded at or right before draft. Maximize his value now.

Desert of suck is never gonna happen here. Or at least, we wouldn't stay there for long.

Who said Couts would go for nothing? Lets say around December we are 21st in league. He informs brass he will test FA. We then trade him to Avs for rental price of Kadrii + Timmins/Newhook. Term and AAV for both is a wash (both are UFA after next season).. Couts centers Landeskog in 2nd line. Imagine the upgrade there for a contender like Avs. If they also have Seth, thats a championship team.
- PT21

While I agree with the poster below to a large extent, that being a underwhelming return (also a clunky one I think. I don’t know if mid season a team would move roster players like that), I wouldn’t hold my breath on the flyers making that kind of deal for the same reason you say they won’t have a desert of suck. I also agree there. It’s just not in their DNA.

Try looking at it this way

Jake stays and we PAY him 8+/3yrs and no change… status quo

We trade him and retain 50% AND sign a player for 4mil/3yrs that is someone that fits a need we all seem to agree on like a responsible physical player in bottom 6 that has a little offense( whoever) or a good 3c with little offense and good defensively since nopa blows again (whoever) or a stabilizing bottom pair vet dman to help again whoever) or some form of maybe like what pitlick brought and a solid back up goalie combo again (whoever)

Keeping Jake is just status quo. Even trading him and retaining 50% opens up cap to use to fill many different team needs. While yes retaining 50% blows on his salary BUT it still opens up 4 mil for next 3 years.

That is soooo much better than option of keeping him around.

Obviously if a deal can be made NOT retaining the 50% is better possibly depending other factors

The crazy move is to ADD picks or prospects simply to move his full contract. Price would be high. For example no one is gonna trade for his full contract and say add a 7th round pick. They gonna ask for a top going prospect or high pick.

No way giving up those assets when can simply make a trade and bite the bullet on some cap retention and still IMPROVE an area of the team for the current
- Stayin alive

Status Quo is better. You try to move him if you can but not at 50% retained. You nare better off keeping him than trying to replace him for half the cost. Id rather take a chance on Tarasenko in a 1 for 1 deal than keep 50%.

Keeping 50% only makes sense if you dont expect to be competitive for the next 3 years which is basically going back to Hextall's tenure

Status Quo is better. You try to move him if you can but not at 50% retained. You nare better off keeping him than trying to replace him for half the cost. Id rather take a chance on Tarasenko in a 1 for 1 deal than keep 50%.

Keeping 50% only makes sense if you dont expect to be competitive for the next 3 years which is basically going back to Hextall's tenure
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Keeping him and status quo only makes sense if you don’t expect to be competitive for the next 3 years. Look forward to more of last season if these players aren’t moved out.

I would do a vlad for Jake trade. Vlad has way more upside of shoulder holds up.

You have to stop thinking of replacing him. He’s nothing special. And definitely not worth anything close to cap # losing him g Jvr ghost will do little to affect the on ice product.

I thought Burns for Voracek was in the realistic realm.
- NC Flyers Fan

i was suggesting that a week ago, i think its a great idea. At least it fills a need. and gets jake away from the team. If we cant unload jake another way, i would totally go for this.

I didn't say you did suggest trading York. I'll elaborate. You commented on what Myers is today. The comments on those players is simply to illustrate if you're just going to look at what the player is today in terms of their trade value, then why not trade those players also? I'm not wrong. I'm exactly right.


Context
If one team elects to overpay, does that mean you should also? I can think of countless bad trades made where teams overpaid for a player. Does that mean it was a good trade? You are certainly entitled to your opinion. My opinion is if Fletcher would make that deal he is incompetent and should be fired.



Reports from Nashville is that they are not looking to move Ekholm. Doesn't mean they will or they won't. Remember all the talk about him being moved at the deadline? What happened?




Why suggest a trade you wouldn't make?
- MJL

Kadri/new hook 🤮🤮🤮
That’s why coots should be traded at or right before draft. Maximize his value now.
- Stayin alive

Well, you know draft trade is never gonna happen. Couturier would need to force the hand.

While I agree with the poster below to a large extent, that being a underwhelming return (also a clunky one I think. I don’t know if mid season a team would move roster players like that), I wouldn’t hold my breath on the flyers making that kind of deal for the same reason you say they won’t have a desert of suck. I also agree there. It’s just not in their DNA.
- stayinthefnnet

The beauty of Kadri being included is that Avs can just plug in a big upgrade at same position, term and salary.

Newhook is fast, shifty and very solidly built. He is currently only a marginal roster player (so no turmoil there) for them but has very significant 1c potential. He is a top 10 prospect.

Remember it would be only a rental for both teams. For them: cup run. For us, facilitating trade and getting Newhook long term. We could add in a 1st from them if you like. I don't think they would give up Byram for a rental.

Yes, the DNA comment is why I am willing to offer very high odds cup is not coming here in next 10 years. I know extremely well the way Flyers roll. But in the case above, it would be a case of Couts forcing that move else they would lose him for nothing.

Could be something ridiculous like jake to la for doughty. Not saying that is the exact offer but weird things have happened in the past.
- Peter Richards

Done

i was suggesting that a week ago, i think its a great idea. At least it fills a need. and gets jake away from the team. If we cant unload jake another way, i would totally go for this.
- bradster

And explain to me why the Kings would even consider that??..One guy is a leader and warrior on the ice the other is the opposite. Kings have a lot of youth coming in think they would rather have their young players exposed to a guy like Burns vs JV

Desert of suck is never gonna happen here. Or at least, we wouldn't stay there for long.

Who said Couts would go for nothing? Lets say around December we are 21st in league. He informs brass he will test FA. We then trade him to Avs for rental price of Kadrii + Timmins/Newhook. Term and AAV for both is a wash (both are UFA after next season).. Couts centers Landeskog in 2nd line. Imagine the upgrade there for a contender like Avs. If they also have Seth, thats a championship team.
- PT21

Desert of suck ..I consider 1 playoff series win in 9 yrs pretty much the desert of suck.

Keeping him and status quo only makes sense if you don’t expect to be competitive for the next 3 years. Look forward to more of last season if these players aren’t moved out.

I would do a vlad for Jake trade. Vlad has way more upside of shoulder holds up.

You have to stop thinking of replacing him. He’s nothing special. And definitely not worth anything close to cap # losing him g Jvr ghost will do little to affect the on ice product.
- Stayin alive

I would trade Vlad for JV in a heartbeat but not gonna happen....again why would blues want JV?? The other GMs see what we see and why some are willing to eat 50% of Cap to unload him. JV is not an appealing asset

And explain to me why the Kings would even consider that??..One guy is a leader and warrior on the ice the other is the opposite. Kings have a lot of youth coming in think they would rather have their young players exposed to a guy like Burns vs JV
- hfc355

Burns doesnt play for the kings, he plays for San Jose who also needs to start chaning things up

I would trade Vlad for JV in a heartbeat but not gonna happen....again why would blues want JV?? The other GMs see what we see and why some are willing to eat 50% of Cap to unload him. JV is not an appealing asset
- hfc355

I’m definitely not a Jake fan. But he does produce some points. On a good team not playing all the key situational minutes but just a portion will get you that solid 40-50 points. If a team is looking for that what’s the going rate? Money wise ? Somewhere between 3-4 mil? There’s a market for Jake if $ retained. Be it not a huge market but if fletch wants to really shake it up it can be down. Obviously it’s not ideal situation but worse is 3 years at full salary.

Desert of suck ..I consider 1 playoff series win in 9 yrs pretty much the desert of suck.
- hfc355

I assume he means Buffalo type of desert.