No it’s just a rumor. The report assumed to have been leaked by the agent has to do with negotiations tactics. It’s also been denied by his mother that he made a decision already only go to the AVs or definitely go to UFA. It has also been reported that the Bluejackets will allow the Jones camp to meet with serious trade partners in order to expedite a deal. This meeting could give clubs a better idea of their likelihood to extend. Personally, I hope that the Flyers are still in the running.

https://www.thefourthperi...lping-to-facilitate-trade
- NC Flyers Fan

But but but Hayes said after he got paid in his press conference that he never said he didn’t want to play for the Flyers!

But the exact same situation is a mortal lock. He’s just fighting his impulsive need to be right, but he’s flat out wrong on this one.

I absolutely do not want pay $4 million a year for three years for the guy to play against the Flyers. That’s not change, that’s idiocy
- Flyers1218

Lmao ok pay 8 mil to have him stink the team up for another 3 years. Cool status quo

No it’s just a rumor. The report assumed to have been leaked by the agent has to do with negotiations tactics. It’s also been denied by his mother that he made a decision already only go to the AVs or definitely go to UFA. It has also been reported that the Bluejackets will allow the Jones camp to meet with serious trade partners in order to expedite a deal. This meeting could give clubs a better idea of their likelihood to extend. Personally, I hope that the Flyers are still in the running.

https://www.thefourthperi...lping-to-facilitate-trade
- NC Flyers Fan

His mother. LOL. You should read your own link. It does not in anyway refute or call into question that Jones will not sign an extension and will test free agency. It's not just a rumor. It's well documented.

His mother. LOL. You should read your own link. It does not in anyway refute or call into question that Jones will not sign an extension and will test free agency. It's not just a rumor. It's well documented.
- MJL

Ohhh his own mother isn’t a good source? She doesn’t talk to him? Oh right, anonymous sources through the media are reliable….

I must have missed where Seth Jones or his agent publicly stated they would test free agency and wouldn’t sign an extension. Find that link for me?

His mother. LOL. You should read your own link. It does not in anyway refute or call into question that Jones will not sign an extension and will test free agency. It's not just a rumor. It's well documented.
- MJL

Exactly your favorite rumor versus the newest rumor. Seemed fair.

His agent through the numerous outlets had that fact out. Seth Jones has never come out and said he wouldn’t sign an extension. The numerous outlets are reporting the information being leaked by his representation. lol, you can try to spin it all you want. You talk $56-60 million over 8 years and watch how fast Jones doesn’t “test the market”.
- Flyers1218

Jones is going to get that anyway. LOL. You don't have any information. You're just speculating. Every single indication from Jones is that he will not re-sign with a team that trades for him and that he will test free agency.

Exactly your favorite rumor versus the newest rumor. Seemed fair.
- NC Flyers Fan

It's not a rumor.

It came from sources connected to Hayes agent that he didn’t particularly want to play in Philadelphia. You know when he said it wasn’t true? During his press conference when he got paid.

I don’t how many times it has to be said, but money talks. Start talking his language in terms of cash and he won’t be testing anything.

For example….. I’m just so sure Bryce Harper wanted to be a Phillie over a Dodger. All the talk connected to Harper was he did not want to go to Philadelphia and was willing to wait to see what was out there. Phillies ponied up to “stupid” money and alas, one of the most overpaid players in baseball.
- Flyers1218

As you point out yourself in the last paragraph, money talks, but part of that money will be an overpay aimed at overcoming his reluctance/hesitation talk. Lets say he takes 7.25 from Avs, 8.25 from Leafs, he might want 9.25 from us.

Iowt, its not that the hesitation is costless. It will need to factored in to the ask price.

Ohhh his own mother isn’t a good source? She doesn’t talk to him? Oh right, anonymous sources through the media are reliable….

I must have missed where Seth Jones or his agent publicly stated they would test free agency and wouldn’t sign an extension. Find that link for me?
- Flyers1218

I recant. I mean you're right. A players Mom is a frequent source of information on what a player is going to do. I guess you did miss it since it's well documented. The sources are not anonymous. Google is you friend.

Exactly your favorite rumor versus the newest rumor. Seemed fair.
- NC Flyers Fan

He will argue until it’s not even fun to argue. He’s wrong. You know it, I know it, and even he knows it. But he will just keep arguing because he’s sick. And I fell for it again, lol. Well it’s not fun at this point so I’m done. Offer Jones $8.5-9 over 8 years (not saying they should) and he won’t test free agency because no agent would let him walk away from that much.

I recant. I mean you're right. A players Mom is a frequent source of information on what a player is going to do. I guess you did miss it since it's well documented. The sources are not anonymous. Google is you friend.
- MJL

Pull up the link to Jones or his agent publicly saying they won’t resign. Pull it up. Not sources, but from the horses mouth.

As you point out yourself in the last paragraph, money talks, but part of that money will be an overpay aimed at overcoming his reluctance/hesitation talk. Lets say he takes 7.25 from Avs, 8.25 from Leafs, he might want 9.25 from us.

Iowt, its not that the hesitation is costless. It will need to factored in to the ask price.
- PT21

Exactly right. But teams will know that. Everyone has their number. If a team hits it after they put together a trade, he’s taking it.

He will argue until it’s not even fun to argue. He’s wrong. You know it, I know it, and even he knows it. But he will just keep arguing because he’s sick. And I fell for it again, lol. Well it’s not fun at this point so I’m done. Offer Jones $8.5-9 over 8 years (not saying they should) and he won’t test free agency because no agent would let him walk away from that much.
- Flyers1218

It cracks me up when guys who are arguing them claim innocence and then make an asinine comment like the guy you're arguing with is sick. I'm arguing with myself. LOL We were getting along so well. Do you know how many teams will offer him that? There will be teams who will beat that. Money is not going to sway him off of playing where he chooses to play which is the entire point of why he wants to test free agency.

Exactly right. But teams will know that. Everyone has their number. If a team hits it after they put together a trade, he’s taking it.
- Flyers1218

Absolutely. Point is though, the reluctance is neither meaningless nor a complete no-no. You will have to pay to overcome it.

In other words, his ask price essentially just went up. (If the reports are true).

It cracks me up when guys who are arguing them claim innocence and then make an asinine comment like the guy you're arguing with is sick. I'm arguing with myself. LOL We were getting along so well. Do you know how many teams will offer him that? There will be teams who will beat that. Money is not going to sway him off of playing where he chooses to play which is the entire point of why he wants to test free agency.
- MJL

We don’t have anything else to discuss. I asked you for the link to Jones or his agent publicly stating they were automatically going to free agency.

No instead you are using the same sources that said Hayes and the Flyers weren’t progressing and he perhaps had his heart set on playing elsewhere. Then you use Hayes saying that was false as your defense. It’s comical.

You’re right, Seth Jones won’t sign an extension no matter how much he’s offered. He will take his chances on poor revenue, poor analytics, and injury if a team that trades for him gets to the number he’s looking for.

Re: Caulfield, I know it's only a few games and a small sample set, but a few things stand out.
1. Just a rookie and that too a late entrant to the season, and yet more than held his own, and even flourished, on the biggest stage.
2. Played well against the best D on the NHL.
3. Part of the only line of Habs that looked remotely threatening; consistently drew Hedman+ in the shift matchups, and yet looked menacing.

It's early days, and York may yet be a star, but this kid looks like he is already knocking at the door.

We don’t have anything else to discuss. I asked you for the link to Jones or his agent publicly stating they were automatically going to free agency.

No instead you are using the same sources that said Hayes and the Flyers weren’t progressing and he perhaps had his heart set on playing elsewhere. Then you use Hayes saying that was false as your defense. It’s comical.

You’re right, Seth Jones won’t sign an extension no matter how much he’s offered. He will take his chances on poor revenue, poor analytics, and injury if a team that trades for him gets to the number he’s looking for.
- Flyers1218

LOL, I'm using the same source concerning Hayes? What are you talking about?

Every article you want to pull up says the same thing. Jones wants to test free agency!

Boy this free agency period gonna be really boring. With flat cap. Actually false. Those who think the movement will be severely hampered remember your comments. Ask yourselves when does ANYTHING stop gm’s from doing anything? Every year with silly contracts given out. I can’t wait to see how many Fa get more than 4mil and 3 years. And how many are worse than Jake. Guaranteed to be at least a few.

Jake at 4 mil/3years is peanuts to a team looking for some added vet scoring. PEANUTS. and if all you gotta trade is something like a 7th round pick?

Girl you crazy if you think it would be hard to trade Jake.

The question remains… DO THE FLYERS WANT A REAL CHANGE AND EAT 4MIL/3YEARS?

Sure if you can get a better deal go ahead. That’s what would be difficult.

To elaborate: trading Jake in package no retention of salary or straight up hard

Trading Jake just 25% still hard

Trading retaining 50% not hard. Can easily be done
- Stayin alive

So we are going to retain 50% of a 8.25 mill contract just for the sake of moving a guy? It makes no sense to have 4.125 in dead space for 2-3 years

So we are going to retain 50% of a 8.25 mill contract just for the sake of moving a guy? It makes no sense to have 4.125 in dead space for 2-3 years
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think right around 2 mil retained in a trade to a team other than Seattle is the max to make it worth it to swap personnel. Seattle wants a sweetener plus they can absolutely fit the whole salary if they want him. Also, I don’t even know if you can retain on an expansion pick.

I think right around 2 mil retained in a trade to a team other than Seattle is the max to make it worth it to swap personnel. Seattle wants a sweetener plus they can absolutely fit the whole salary if they want him. Also, I don’t even know if you can retain on an expansion pick.
- NC Flyers Fan

Then the trade won't happen. Covid changed everything. Look at Hoffman. Similar ppg to Voracek 2 seasons prior to FA signing (actually somewhat ahead of 93). Younger, averaging 35 goals a season those past 2 seasons. Only got a 1 year deal for 4.5m.

I think with age, term, 2 way problems and well known shooting reluctance, Voracek is now at max a 4.5-5 m player. Any realistic hope of moving him outside the ED means either 3.5+m retained or at least one high end piece (good prospect/1st round pick) going the other way.

Then the trade won't happen. Covid changed everything. Look at Hoffman. Similar ppg to Voracek 2 seasons prior to FA signing (actually somewhat ahead of 93). Younger, averaging 35 goals a season those past 2 seasons. Only got a 1 year deal for 4.5m.

I think with age, term, 2 way problems and well known shooting reluctance, Voracek is now at max a 4.5-5 m player. Any realistic hope of moving him outside the ED means either 3.5+m retained or at least one high end piece (good prospect/1st round pick) going the other way.
- PT21

If not Seattle, then next offseason might be slightly easier. Either way, it will need to be a “hockey trade.”

If not Seattle, then next offseason might be slightly easier. Either way, it will need to be a “hockey trade.”
- NC Flyers Fan

Jake for Lucic

Jake for Lucic
- Bayareaflyer

Sarcasm?

If not Seattle, then next offseason might be slightly easier. Either way, it will need to be a “hockey trade.”
- NC Flyers Fan

Next off-season would depend a lot on how this season goes for him. It's unlikely cap will rise by a lot.

Personally fine if we hold on to him. I think the combination of his production and his cap hit is an anchor that will drag the team down to a higher draft pick, so I am all for it.In that regard, I would be pleased if we have another season like this. And as a result of that, I would be quite delighted if Couts decides his future is elsewhere.

Sarcasm?
- Pelle31Forever

Not really I would actually do it - $3M savings and one less year to deal with