Good moves finally! Just keep building on it. Throw it all in a blender and we'll just have to wait and see after the offseason. That's all we can do. Then we can all whine about it.
- NightBeast

Any thoughts on who should be bought out?

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Johnson said it’s not just pros but a lot of WHL players as well.

I’d expect to see more local WHL talent signed this offseason after the draft.

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Canucks need a larger influx of undrafted free agents.
- manvanfan

Yes. They also should be taking a gamble on at least 1 player every year of an undrafted 18 year-old, similar to Myers with the Flyers.
Need to stock the cupboards.

That's just hindsight. Even if you've said it for 8 years, it's still hindsight.

Trading picks early in the rebuild? Gotta fill the age gap.

High priced/overpriced UFAs at the start of the rebuild? Gotta stay competitive. Can't show the young players a losing atmosphere.

Trading picks now? Gotta do it. Can't just draft your way to a cup.

High priced UFAs now? Just the going rate and the team needs that player.

Basically, Benning has stayed consistent with his moves. The team has stayed consistent in the standings.

The only things that have changed are the justifications by some of the fanbase (who aren't apologists so I'm told.)
- RealityChecker

I guess my question for Sir Slurpsalot(s) is: “if you believe that this core of young players is good enough to bring a cup to Vancouver why are you so hesitant to get them signed long term to big contracts?”

Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Pointe, Kucherov, etc etc all on big $ long term deals. You get value on their contracts by going 8 years (or 12 in some cases).

Personally, I don’t see Pettersson as Kane, I’m not confident he can lead a team to the cup offensively. I don’t see Hughes like Keith, of Headman, or Pietrangelo. So I agree, don’t go long term, need to keep building because there isn’t a super star in the group yet and they need much more depth.

Any thoughts on who should be bought out?
- Reubenkincade

No brainer Virtanen for sure. Then it depends on what happens after the e draft, what opportunities present themselves to Benning and how much cap space he needs to execute these plans.

Holtby gives you the most cap for this year but adds 1.9M next year and you also need to replace him this year.

That 1.9M addition might be a blessing so Benning doesn't have full funds to F things up too bad.

Yes. They also should be taking a gamble on at least 1 player every year of an undrafted 18 year-old, similar to Myers with the Flyers.
Need to stock the cupboards.
- Reubenkincade

That sounds like too many contracts. They won’t have anywhere for prospects to play if they start signing guys or drafting too many kids.

No brainer Virtanen for sure. Then it depends on what happens after the e draft, what opportunities present themselves to Benning and how much cap space he needs to execute these plans.

Holtby gives you the most cap for this year but adds 1.9M next year and you also need to replace him this year.

That 1.9M addition might be a blessing so Benning doesn't have full funds to F things up too bad.


- NightBeast

Can't argue with any of that.

I don't think you have looked at what any scout has said about these 2.

Here this is what scouts have said about the two of them

Owen Power, LHD, Michigan-Big Ten:
“He’s the safe guy for everyone in this draft. He’s going to play, he’s going to be top-four, no question in my mind. I would be surprised if in 10 years you told me he ended up the best player.”

“He’s so big, so mobile, so smart. I have a hard time imagining once an NHL coach gets their hands on him that they won’t play the poop out of him. “

“I think there’s untapped offense in his game. You look at Victor Hedman, the offense came later. I think the same could happen with Power.”

“He’s first overall. He’s a really good skater for his size, he has good skill for his size. He can make plays. He’s a good defender, you wish he had a little more hardness in him, but he will be more than a good enough defender in the NHL.”

“You don’t see guys like him too often with his combination of attributes. He may be a bit dull for a No. 1 pick, but he’s really good and unique.”

“I don’t see how he isn’t a top-pair defenseman in the NHL. Could he play a little more physical? Sure. But everything else is there. You don’t see a whole lot of first-year, draft-eligible defensemen be as good as he was in college, playing heavy minutes and doing so effectively.”

Simon Edvinsson, LHD, Frolunda-SHL: Edvinsson is a 6-foot-4 defenseman with a lot of intriguing NHL attributes who played well versus men this season in Sweden and is a potential top-10, if not top-five pick.

“His U18 tournament wasn’t amazing, and people like to tear this guy down, but a lot of what we do is about projecting the future, not the present. With his size, skating, skill, offensive instincts in five to 10 years he’s going to be at the top of an NHL lineup.”

“He’s a stud. He’s going to be a star, he has everything you want in an NHL defenseman.”

“I think he’s overrated. There’s some attractive parts about him, but neither the offense or defending are high-end.”

“He’s going to disappoint people if he goes in the top five. He’s a good player but doesn’t have the hockey sense to be a true top play driver in the NHL.”

“He’s like a gazelle on the ice. You don’t see a lot of guys who look like him with his frame, mobility and ability to maneuver in traffic. He needs a lot of time to develop and grow into his frame but he can pop.”

“I think he has the lowest ceiling among the big four defensemen (Power, Brandt Clarke, Luke Hughes and Edvinsson) but also the highest floor. I’m not sure you’re getting a lot of offense but I think he’s top-four for sure.”
- manvanfan

I’ve read many things about many players. My opinion stands just like yours & theirs do.

I still maintain it’s a weak draft up top. Some good depth for sure. There are no obvious top pair D or elite C’s. What I do see is some pretty good to very good top 6 & top 4.

That sounds like too many contracts. They won’t have anywhere for prospects to play if they start signing guys or drafting too many kids.
- 1970vintage

Good points, having 2 or 3 prospects in the pool is all any team needs.

I guess my question for Sir Slurpsalot(s) is: “if you believe that this core of young players is good enough to bring a cup to Vancouver why are you so hesitant to get them signed long term to big contracts?”

Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Pointe, Kucherov, etc etc all on big $ long term deals. You get value on their contracts by going 8 years (or 12 in some cases).

Personally, I don’t see Pettersson as Kane, I’m not confident he can lead a team to the cup offensively. I don’t see Hughes like Keith, of Headman, or Pietrangelo. So I agree, don’t go long term, need to keep building because there isn’t a super star in the group yet and they need much more depth.
- 1970vintage

Simple answer…flat cap

GM’s need the lead time til the cap increases. Downside is the contracts will greatly increase later.

Simple answer…flat cap

GM’s need the lead time til the cap increases. Downside is the contracts will greatly increase later.
- Nighthawk

You’ll pay more now and you’ll pay more later. It’s about your ability to evaluate and your tolerance for risk.

Simple answer…flat cap

GM’s need the lead time til the cap increases. Downside is the contracts will greatly increase later.
- Nighthawk

68M for 8 years or 21M for 3 years is fair.

68M for 8 years or 21M for 3 years is fair.
- NightBeast

For who?

For who?
- Reubenkincade

Pettersson

For who?
- Reubenkincade

The fans

Pettersson
- NightBeast

Interesting.

The fans
- 1970vintage

Sure but the whinny fans also get sippy cups.

Sure but the whinny fans also get sippy cups.
- NightBeast

I don’t disagree, those numbers look relevant and realistic. Clearly we aren’t part of the negotiation, and I’m sure somebody will complain about Petey’s next deal. It will be too long and too short, too expensive and not expensive enough. It will have NTC or not.

Why do I have to be an alt? Can't I just be me?
- NightBeast

mhmm I guess so.

Just get your vaccine shut-up and like it.
- NightBeast

No thanks!!

Miller was & is a big help. The 20oa is only an unknown prospect.

Name a team that was built through the draft in the cap era.

Would this nutty fanbase be the usual or show patience & for how long?
- Nighthawk

Tampa Bay.....

Who's alt are you?
- manvanfan

Won't be hard to figure out soon enough...

You’ll pay more now and you’ll pay more later. It’s about your ability to evaluate and your tolerance for risk.
- 1970vintage

Using bridges then can resign for more UFA years. Buys time to further evaluate but likely costs more for the more certainty.

Due to current cap space I foresee both bridge deals. Hughes could be cheaper if longer term.

Can you name five teams that were built through the draft in the last 20 years that have won the cup?

If it was such a winning equation there would be a lot more than one or two teams .
- VANTEL

Tampa Chicaga LA Pitts Washington Boston.


For the love of God don't get into semantics about the complimentary players that help win cause the meat of all those teams were drafted and developed.

That decision-making will come under intense scrutiny this offseason for many reasons, mostly due to a very large number of unrestricted free agents to deal with. The biggest one of them all is undoubtedly Phillip Danault.

Nightmares dream come true.

68M for 8 years or 21M for 3 years is fair.
- NightBeast

If that’s for EP then I’d do 8/8.5m