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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:14 PM ET
Obviously. Stupid or not, I'm just speaking from a point that we really don't know what Hextall has planned. To assume that GM's don't have their own agenda and won't make irrational moves to execute their agenda would be peak stupidity lol.

I thought Hextall had a conservative deadline and made a wise move, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but again, we really don't know yet.

- Rinosaur

Zucker and Jake for Bertuzzi and Rasmussen
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 12:21 PM ET
Zucker and Jake for Bertuzzi and Rasmussen
- Feds91Stammer


What's the skinny on Rasmussen? I know he was a high pick a few years back, but is he on track to be anything decent?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
What's the skinny on Rasmussen? I know he was a high pick a few years back, but is he on track to be anything decent?
- Rinosaur

He sucks. Was a poopty pick in the first place. But at least he’s tall.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
It was briefly mentioned a few weeks ago, but with Tarasenko officially requesting out, a Zucker-centered package for Tarasenko could be an interesting proposition if the Blues don't want to go into full rebuild so shortly removed from a Cup win. The cap gamble for the Pens isn't insignificant given that Tarasenko's shoulder might be toasted beyond repair, but if Hextal and Burke aren't confident that they'd be able to do anything high impact enough with any theoretical cap they generate by offloading some combination of Zucker, Pettersson, and Matheson, this could be a high reward move.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
He sucks. Was a poopty pick in the first place. But at least he’s tall.
- Feds91Stammer


Ok, then let's just do Zucker for Rasumussen lol
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 12:26 PM ET
It was briefly mentioned a few weeks ago, but with Tarasenko officially requesting out, a Zucker-centered package for Tarasenko could be an interesting proposition if the Blues don't want to go into full rebuild so shortly removed from a Cup win. The cap gamble for the Pens isn't insignificant given that Tarasenko's shoulder might be toasted beyond repair, but if Hextal and Burke aren't confident that they'd be able to do anything high impact enough with any theoretical cap they generate by offloading some combination of Zucker, Pettersson, and Matheson, this could be a high reward move.
- Victoro311


I was thinking along very similar lines. STL is going to struggle to get a high quality return given the injury issues and cap hit for Tarasenko, so I don't think they'd get high quality futures for him. I think the best they could hope for is the closest thing to a lateral move as possible and I think a Zucker/Tarasenko swap is that deal. I'd like to see STL eat some salary to maybe even it out, say $1Mish, but if they have to add on to make that happen I say no way.

It's a gamble that I think may make sense for the Pens. If all he really needed was a long recovery and fresh start (because who knows how much his unhappiness weighed on his play), then seeing him next to Geno could be a great thing.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:29 PM ET
I was thinking along very similar lines. STL is going to struggle to get a high quality return given the injury issues and cap hit for Tarasenko, so I don't think they'd get high quality futures for him. I think the best they could hope for is the closest thing to a lateral move as possible and I think a Zucker/Tarasenko swap is that deal. I'd like to see STL eat some salary to maybe even it out, say $1Mish, but if they have to add on to make that happen I say no way.

It's a gamble that I think may make sense for the Pens. If all he really needed was a long recovery and fresh start (because who knows how much his unhappiness weighed on his play), then seeing him next to Geno could be a great thing.

- Rinosaur

Lol at the Schenn, Krug, Faulk, and Binnington contracts.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 12:30 PM ET
Lol at the Schenn, Krug, Faulk, and Binnington contracts.
- Feds91Stammer


We give our own team a lot of crap for the Tanev contract, but the Pens pale in comparison to the number of teams that have doubled down on stupid contracts.

Every team has at least one questionable contract and if Tanev is ours, then I'm totally fine.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:31 PM ET
Ok, then let's just do Zucker for Rasumussen lol
- Rinosaur

I could work with that. Then Bertuzzi for Dunn and Tarasenko. And sign Tatar.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
I could work with that. Then Bertuzzi for Dunn and Tarasenko. And sign Tatar.
- Feds91Stammer


I'll get Hex on the horn. Isn't Rasmussen exempt?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 12:33 PM ET
I'll get Hex on the horn. Isn't Rasmussen exempt?
- Rinosaur

Nah he’s just not worth taking.
awtr
Joined: 06.03.2020

Jul 8 @ 12:45 PM ET
I was thinking along very similar lines. STL is going to struggle to get a high quality return given the injury issues and cap hit for Tarasenko, so I don't think they'd get high quality futures for him. I think the best they could hope for is the closest thing to a lateral move as possible and I think a Zucker/Tarasenko swap is that deal. I'd like to see STL eat some salary to maybe even it out, say $1Mish, but if they have to add on to make that happen I say no way.

It's a gamble that I think may make sense for the Pens. If all he really needed was a long recovery and fresh start (because who knows how much his unhappiness weighed on his play), then seeing him next to Geno could be a great thing.

- Rinosaur

Zucker + Riikola for Vlad.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Jul 8 @ 2:13 PM ET
Guentzel has turned into a morning glory.

The horse racing term. Get your dirty minds out of the gutter.
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jul 8 @ 2:18 PM ET
Nah he’s just not worth taking.
- Feds91Stammer


Feds, in your opinion, what do you think it would cost the Pens in term and $ to get Tatar wearing a #90 uniform here?
Beatnic57
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jul 8 @ 2:23 PM ET
Now this is a silver lining attitude!!!!

https://www.google.com/am...cause-ther-1847250782/amp
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 2:32 PM ET
Feds, in your opinion, what do you think it would cost the Pens in term and $ to get Tatar wearing a #90 uniform here?
- stevens87

No clue. Definitely depends on what his team tells him. Do you risk it and take 1 x 2.5m? Do you take certainty on a 4 x 4m? Do you go cup chasing?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 2:36 PM ET
Now this is a silver lining attitude!!!!

https://www.google.com/am...cause-ther-1847250782/amp

- Beatnic57

Meh. The ESPN team leaves a lot to desire and Eddie O is on the TNT crew.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jul 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
The difference between the Matheson and Petterson contracts is that Matheson played up to his contract last season while Petterson fell well short. Matheson's contract is good right now (apparently) but probably bad long term. Petterson's contract is bad right now and shows little promise to ever be worth it.

So would you rather have a fast second pairing defenseman at $4.875M until 2026 or a defensemen who already appears to be a bust at $4.025M until 2025? If you give Seattle this choice they will almost certainly take the former, leaving the Pens still stuck with Petterson and less one good defenseman.

Yes, the Matheson deal is bad long term but long term the Pens might have lots of freed up cap space. I think the Pens should protect Matheson despite the high risk of his contract.

Realistically, though, Seattle will probably take a forward. If we are lucky it will be Zucker.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 4:43 PM ET
The difference between the Matheson and Petterson contracts is that Matheson played up to his contract last season while Petterson fell well short. .
- PghPens668771


This narrative needs to stop. People have it out for Pettersson and the reasoning is just not accurate.


Realistically, though, Seattle will probably take a forward. If we are lucky it will be Zucker.

- PghPens668771


We all kind of assume the same thing, but we really don't know. So much will depend on what other teams will have available to Seattle. Maybe they see other forwards they like better and decide to take a dman. We really won't know until we see the field.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:42 PM ET
It was briefly mentioned a few weeks ago, but with Tarasenko officially requesting out, a Zucker-centered package for Tarasenko could be an interesting proposition if the Blues don't want to go into full rebuild so shortly removed from a Cup win. The cap gamble for the Pens isn't insignificant given that Tarasenko's shoulder might be toasted beyond repair, but if Hextal and Burke aren't confident that they'd be able to do anything high impact enough with any theoretical cap they generate by offloading some combination of Zucker, Pettersson, and Matheson, this could be a high reward move.
- Victoro311

Zucker and Petts for Tenk and Dunn
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 8 @ 6:47 PM ET
Zucker and Petts for Tenk and Dunn
- 668710


Is STL looking to move Dunn?
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:55 PM ET
Zucker and Petts for Tenk and Dunn
- 668710


Lol
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:58 PM ET
Is STL looking to move Dunn?
- Rinosaur


Yeah they can’t protect him unless they went 8 skaters
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 8 @ 7:13 PM ET
Lol
- kfinl170

Hahaha, may as well toss it their way. Try something. We can leave Matheson exposed then if it happens.
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 8 @ 7:20 PM ET
Hahaha, may as well toss it their way. Try something. We can leave Matheson exposed then if it happens.
- 668710


Pretty sure he’ll be left exposed regardless
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