30th pick overall would not a be completly aberrant evaluation of the value of Chiarot or Allen in a trade, imo. Their contracts are reasonable for what they provide.
- Réal_Ruelle

Got Allen for a 3rd a year ago. One year of Chiarot isn't worth a 1st in my eyes, not even close and would likely just delay Romanov's growth.

Picm a scoring W or a RD and continue to develop the youth. If needed hit trade or FA for replacements

Chiarot has one year left and a lot of fans want a PMD. You need to free up some $$$ and a spot to do that.

I see your logic but Vegas became a contender because teams kept dealing with them. I wouldn't.
- deadpoulet

I wouldn't protect Weber given his age and 8M$ cap space....

Our 3500 at their quietest were louder than most US arenas. Sad but true. It brings to light the saying that in Montreal you don't just become a hockey fan. It's a religion. And we are some zealous mother(frank)ers!
- Darksyde

It's a double edged sword but yeah, pretty much

I think we're losing Chiarot.

He's the most valuable guy for Seattle, both on the ice and on what he could fetch if they end up trading him.
- Scabeh

I think so. Vegas went heavy with defensemen. He's a good pick for them.

Allen is great back up, but just a back up. I think they will have other options there.

I think we're losing Chiarot.

He's the most valuable guy for Seattle, both on the ice and on what he could fetch if they end up trading him.
- Scabeh

Agreed. Can't see Seattle picking up our backup goalie.

I wouldn't protect Weber given his age and 8M$ cap space....
- BashCH

Bergevin or Molson won't do this.

But I see your point.

Got Allen for a 3rd a year ago. One year of Chiarot isn't worth a 1st in my eyes, not even close and would likely just delay Romanov's growth.

Picm a scoring W or a RD and continue to develop the youth. If needed hit trade or FA for replacements
- Takemedrunkimhome

The 3rd for Allen was because it was a cap dump and sincerly, i thought Ben Chiarot's game in these playoffs (except the brain fart in game 2 of the final) have been underestimated a bit. The problem is 1 year left, because I think he is better than Edmunson.

Bergevin or Molson won't do this.

But I see your point.
- deadpoulet

I mean, with this 8M$, they could try and get Seth Jones or Dougie Hamilton...or sign David Savard to replace the physicality of Weber and add a more offensive defenseman...

Dozens of people who agree with me or dozens of available Chiarot and Allen?
- Réal_Ruelle

I totally agree with you.

I think we're losing Chiarot.

He's the most valuable guy for Seattle, both on the ice and on what he could fetch if they end up trading him.
- Scabeh

Habs need a puck carrying defenseman that can contribute offensively. You can't just have Petry out there. I know Weber can produce, but age is getting to him and there is no guarantee.

They also need a legit 2nd line center. I don't know if Kotkaniemi can be that already, he's showing some flashes...I've been defending him a lot, but he needs to take a huge step next season.

Habs need a puck carrying defenseman that can contribute offensively. You can't just have Petry out there. I know Weber can produce, but age is getting to him and there is no guarantee.

They also need a legit 2nd line center. I don't know if Kotkaniemi can be that already, he's showing some flashes...I've been defending him a lot, but he needs to take a huge step next season.
- stinger67

If Colorado is looking to trade Samuel Girard, he'd be my target.

Got Allen for a 3rd a year ago. One year of Chiarot isn't worth a 1st in my eyes, not even close and would likely just delay Romanov's growth.

Picm a scoring W or a RD and continue to develop the youth. If needed hit trade or FA for replacements
- Takemedrunkimhome

Edmundson-Petry

Romanov-Weber

Kulak-Fleury ?

I think you need to play some kids on defense. But I also expect them to shop for another defenseman.

Edmundson-Petry

Romanov-Weber

Kulak-Fleury ?

I think you need to play some kids on defense. But I also expect them to shop for another defenseman.
- deadpoulet

Hope they try and sign David Savard, guy was a beast in the playoffs....

Agreed. Can't see Seattle picking up our backup goalie.
- Not_Yan

The speculation seems to be that Seattle will take everybody's defensemen and then blackmail teams to try to keep them or trade them out at a premium for forwards that wouldn't be available for free.

The 3rd for Allen was because it was a cap dump and sincerly, i thought Ben Chiarot's game in these playoffs (except the brain fart in game 2 of the final) have been underestimated a bit. The problem is 1 year left, because I think he is better than Edmunson.
- Réal_Ruelle

I say underestimated a LOT. He essentially stepped up into a 1-2 D role and ate defensive minutes like a pre-game meal. I love what Weber and Petry bring to the team, but to be honest? Chiarot played better than Petry did the entire playoffs. And I love Petry.

Habs need a puck carrying defenseman that can contribute offensively. You can't just have Petry out there. I know Weber can produce, but age is getting to him and there is no guarantee.

They also need a legit 2nd line center. I don't know if Kotkaniemi can be that already, he's showing some flashes...I've been defending him a lot, but he needs to take a huge step next season.
- stinger67

I agree with everything you said.

Ideally, a LHD that could run the powerplay while not being a complete mess defensively would be great.

I don't think we'll move for another centre unless we lose Danault. Habs decided to pick KK with their 3rd overall pick a few years back, the plan HAS to be to bet on him at least a little.

I believe in him, always have, but he will need to take a bigger role offensively next year for me to keep my enthusiasm.

If Colorado is looking to trade Samuel Girard, he'd be my target.
- BashCH

Are they?

I say underestimated a LOT. He essentially stepped up into a 1-2 D role and ate defensive minutes like a pre-game meal. I love what Weber and Petry bring to the team, but to be honest? Chiarot played better than Petry did the entire playoffs. And I love Petry.
- Darksyde

A (frank)ed up hand on a guy whose main strengths are his shot and passing probably explains a lot of this.

Are they?
- deadpoulet

Heard they think he's soft and got pushed around too much during the playoffs....they have other puck carrying Dmen, they need grit.

Hope they try and sign David Savard, guy was a beast in the playoffs....
- BashCH

I wouldn't mind, but not really the PMD that everybody wants.

I think I would try to grow Romanov into that player, but that's me. He's still very young.

A (frank)ed up hand on a guy whose main strengths are his shot and passing probably explains a lot of this.
- AdamFrench

I get that. I love what Jeff brings. But tossing away a player who can step up as high as Chiarot did, is just dumb. We'd be assuming whoever steps into his spot can reproduce what he brought, and I just don't think it's that easy.

I get that. I love what Jeff brings. But tossing away a player who can step up as high as Chiarot did, is just dumb. We'd be assuming whoever steps into his spot can reproduce what he brought, and I just don't think it's that easy.
- Darksyde

Could they protect 8 players instead?

Chiarot, Weber, Petry, Edmunson, Gallagher, Toffoli, KK and Anderson. They don't have to protect Suzuki or Caufield.

But you may lose Lehkonen or Evans.

I say underestimated a LOT. He essentially stepped up into a 1-2 D role and ate defensive minutes like a pre-game meal. I love what Weber and Petry bring to the team, but to be honest? Chiarot played better than Petry did the entire playoffs. And I love Petry.
- Darksyde

Yes. Also, Savard fetched a 1st and a 3rd at the deadline. I can imagine a contender paying that for Ben Chiarot at next year deadline.

Could they protect 8 players instead?

Chiarot, Weber, Petry, Edmunson, Gallagher, Toffoli, KK and Anderson. They don't have to protect Suzuki or Caufield.

But you may lose Lehkonen or Evans.
- deadpoulet

Why would we lose RFA's instead of 1 year of Chiarot though?

I get that. I love what Jeff brings. But tossing away a player who can step up as high as Chiarot did, is just dumb. We'd be assuming whoever steps into his spot can reproduce what he brought, and I just don't think it's that easy.
- Darksyde

It's not tossing away a player. It's an expansion draft, they have to lose somebody