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Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:06 PM ET
Agreed on the calling cops part. Not sure why an adult would need a team to call the police. Very odd....

Letter of recommendation and digital proof of texts, etc likely are the smoking guns here.

- SteveRain


Isn't it possible that the abuse took place during prospects camp? I doubt that guys like Brent Sopel or Marian Hossa were the victims.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 23 @ 5:10 PM ET
They don't. Their GM is in way over his head. No one even knows if Eichel will be healthy enough to play next season. One of the two GMs is going to lose their job from this trade.
- Elbows15

I don't see a GM giving very much for a $10M neck injured player. That guy will lose his job if he does.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 5:10 PM ET
The fact that someone in the marketing department made a statement could mean McD made the decision to cover this up, and if it can be proven they knew and still wrote a letter of recommendation it could open up a huge can of liability. Negligent..definitely...liability...still a lot of questions. The McD firing/resignation was a shock and usually when a big name is let go it takes a while for reasons to surface. This may be it. As far as the Hawks being responsible for calling the cops...I disagree. The victims were adults, not children. They are the ones who have to engage law enforcement if they want to pursue that route.
- NamedSources


This is all spot on. Every bit. The content of the letter of recommendation will say a lot.

Hope you're well.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 23 @ 5:14 PM ET
This isn't going away any time soon.

https://www.tsn.ca/allege...n-secret-source-1.1659115

- LAHawk

How did we get back on this subject again can we please go back to something interesting like Dylan Sikura or No Income Tax in Florida making it easier to sign FA's.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 5:17 PM ET
How did we get back on this subject again can we please go back to something interesting like Dylan Sikura or No Income Tax in Florida making it easier to sign FA's.

- rpeters01


I say we discuss the best way to put on 20 pounds of muscle over a summer. What I call Pulling a Kruger.
NamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 5:21 PM ET
Isn't it possible that the abuse took place during prospects camp? I doubt that guys like Brent Sopel or Marian Hossa were the victims.
- Dieselhead

It doesn’t sound like this was during prospect camp. It has been stated these were rostered players. Let’s say your statement is true. The age of consent in Illinois is 17 and there may be a provision regarding high school graduating year. Regardless I don’t think there has been a current high school student attending camp in the last decade plus.
NamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 5:23 PM ET
This is all spot on. Every bit. The content of the letter of recommendation will say a lot.

Hope you're well.

- mohel

Maskless vaxxed and doing well. Hope things are good with you
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:26 PM ET
Yeah I don't know that it was on the Hawks to report this to the police per se, but I do think they definitely (frank)ed themselves with that letter of recommendation for the guy.
- BINGO!

I disagree.

As Aldrich's employer - and also the employer of the players - the "company" had a responsibility to investigate the allegations, and, if necessary, inform law enforcement.

Especially since apparently, the "psychology consultant" tried (and perhaps succeeded) in convincing the players that it was their fault.

paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:29 PM ET
Maskless vaxxed and doing well. Hope things are good with you
- NamedSource

Vaxxed!?!? Are you insane? You’re now being tracked by Bill Gates and you’re probably magnetic!
NamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 5:33 PM ET
I disagree.

As Aldrich's employer - and also the employer of the players - the "company" had a responsibility to investigate the allegations, and, if necessary, inform law enforcement.

Especially since apparently, the "psychology consultant" tried (and perhaps succeeded) in convincing the players that it was their fault.

- StLBravesFan

They may have to do their due diligence like most companies will do and is part of company policy. However these allegations stem from a situation at a private residence. I don’t know any company that will call police based on that. If this was a 21 year old female intern who told company HR the head of marketing grabbed her privates after a Cubs game. The company will investigate. If the individual calls the police the company more than likely will cooperate. I know you keep banging this drum but you’re way off base.
NamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 5:34 PM ET
Vaxxed!?!? Are you insane? You’re now being tracked by Bill Gates and you’re probably magnetic!
- paulr

I can now make cell phone calls simply by using the palm of my hand.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 23 @ 5:38 PM ET
I disagree.

As Aldrich's employer - and also the employer of the players - the "company" had a responsibility to investigate the allegations, and, if necessary, inform law enforcement.

Especially since apparently, the "psychology consultant" tried (and perhaps succeeded) in convincing the players that it was their fault.

- StLBravesFan


There is that. I kind of go back and forth on that because technically it was an assault by an employee in a supervisory position on another employee, right? Though it allegedly occurred outside the workplace...

I dunno. I get why the players themselves didn't report it to police though, especially looking at how the Hawks actually handled it in the end.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:40 PM ET
I can now make cell phone calls simply by using the palm of my hand.
- NamedSource

But Bill Gates will hear your calls and know what you’re up to
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 23 @ 5:42 PM ET
Brother in law has been to Brazil a few times for work and says it's fantastic.
- SteveRain


Go 500ft in from the ocean shore and youll see the real brazil
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 23 @ 5:46 PM ET
They may have to do their due diligence like most companies will do and is part of company policy. However these allegations stem from a situation at a private residence. I don’t know any company that will call police based on that. If this was a 21 year old female intern who told company HR the head of marketing grabbed her privates after a Cubs game. The company will investigate. If the individual calls the police the company more than likely will cooperate. I know you keep banging this drum but you’re way off base.
- NamedSource


I think there's just a reasonable expectation of follow through for the company when an individual in a position of authority abuses said authority to assault another employee.

At the very least they should have conducted an internal investigation (They may have. We don't know.) and, if they found anything, reported it to the police. That's called covering your own ass so you're not found to be complicit later if you do nothing and it turns out it's even worse than what you imagined it to be.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 23 @ 6:22 PM ET
Go 500ft in from the ocean shore and youll see the real brazil
- LFS


The same can be said about the intersection of 6th and Spring St in LA...
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:22 PM ET
I disagree.

As Aldrich's employer - and also the employer of the players - the "company" had a responsibility to investigate the allegations, and, if necessary, inform law enforcement.

Especially since apparently, the "psychology consultant" tried (and perhaps succeeded) in convincing the players that it was their fault.

- StLBravesFan


No they didn't. The players have that obligation - the police aren't going to do a thing without the victim cooperating.

Again, what was the crime? Unless I missed it, he pulled a Toobin, and tried (unsuccessfully, it appears) to get adults of consenting age to have sex with him. Perhaps I am missing some facts that are out there.....
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:23 PM ET
Vaxxed!?!? Are you insane? You’re now being tracked by Bill Gates and you’re probably magnetic!
- paulr


How many times do I have to explain this - it is all Bettman.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:29 PM ET
There is that. I kind of go back and forth on that because technically it was an assault by an employee in a supervisory position on another employee, right? Though it allegedly occurred outside the workplace...

I dunno. I get why the players themselves didn't report it to police though, especially looking at how the Hawks actually handled it in the end.

- BINGO!


Then spell it out.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
How many times do I have to explain this - it is all Bettman.
- mohel

Bettman and Gates seem to have teamed up
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 23 @ 7:45 PM ET
Then spell it out.
- mohel

Young men, in a very competitive situation, at the complete mercy of the coaches and management of the “company” for not only their opportunity for success with the Blackhawks, but probably for their hockey careers in general.

Psychology consultant employed by the “company” tried (and apparently succeeded) in convincing them that the incident(s) were their fault.

“Company” refused (allegedly) to report it to the police. What would the young players think would happen to their careers if they went to the police?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 23 @ 7:46 PM ET
How did we get back on this subject again can we please go back to something interesting like Dylan Sikura or No Income Tax in Florida making it easier to sign FA's.

- rpeters01

It’s about the Blackhawks - happened to Blackhawk employees (players) by Blackhawk employee (Aldrich) and allegedly covered up by Blackhawk employees.

Not enough hockey content for you?
NamedSources
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Unnamed
Joined: 06.05.2019

Jun 23 @ 7:52 PM ET
I think there's just a reasonable expectation of follow through for the company when an individual in a position of authority abuses said authority to assault another employee.

At the very least they should have conducted an internal investigation (They may have. We don't know.) and, if they found anything, reported it to the police. That's called covering your own ass so you're not found to be complicit later if you do nothing and it turns out it's even worse than what you imagined it to be.

- BINGO!


I think everyone agrees this situation is unfortunate and terrible. However because we want something to happen doesn't mean it can or will. Yes, I agree the Blackhawks, if they have a process in place like most companies will conduct an internal HR related investigation. This is not a criminal investigation. There are limitations in regards to what they can do and ask. None of their findings can be used to charge anyone. Again, it is not a criminal investigation. Supposedly this happened at a private residence. This means the company (Blackhawks) are limited even more in terms of what they can investigate or be willing to investigate. In a fantasy world, if the Blackhawks went to the police with their findings the police could not do anything because 1- The crime was not against the company....2- The alleged victim is an adult. They would tell the Blackhawks we can't do anything unless the victim wants to pursue. Also, the team opens itself up to liability on the accused side because if these allegations are false or made up and they went to the police they could be subject to a lawsuit. I get we don't want anyone taken advantage of...we don't anyone assaulted...but because this is not a youth hockey organization the Blackhawks are required to do.....nothing! In terms of calling or informing the police for alleged incident at a private residence of an employee. But thats not the issue and I don't know why this has become the focus for some on this board. The issue is...did the Blackhawks have proof this happened...did Geary( who I know btw) use his position to sweep this under the rug with the blessing from someone higher than him...and if they did...and wrote a letter of recommendation having substantial evidence an event occurred...then yes there is negligence and liability. Now let's move on....
NamedSources
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Unnamed
Joined: 06.05.2019

Jun 23 @ 7:54 PM ET
Young men, in a very competitive situation, at the complete mercy of the coaches and management of the “company” for not only their opportunity for success with the Blackhawks, but probably for their hockey careers in general.

Psychology consultant employed by the “company” tried (and apparently succeeded) in convincing them that the incident(s) were their fault.

“Company” refused (allegedly) to report it to the police. What would the young players think would happen to their careers if they went to the police?

- StLBravesFan

THE COMPANY DOES NOT HAVE TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE! THE CRIME WAS NOT COMMITED AGAINST THE COMPANY OR ON COMPANY GROUNDS! THE ALLEGED CRIME HAPPENED AT A PRIVATE RESIDENCE>...stop this nonsense! It's ridiculous...this is crazy...replace young men...with the word ADULTS!
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 8:39 PM ET
THE COMPANY DOES NOT HAVE TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE! THE CRIME WAS NOT COMMITED AGAINST THE COMPANY OR ON COMPANY GROUNDS! THE ALLEGED CRIME HAPPENED AT A PRIVATE RESIDENCE>...stop this nonsense! It's ridiculous...this is crazy...replace young men...with the word ADULTS!
- NamedSources


Have I missed something? Have the details of the event at the apartment been published? I've only seen the part about pulling a Toobin in front of players. What "crime" was the team supposed to report?
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