Sounds far too intelligent to play for the Flyers.
- PT21

Game 4 price under .920another loss.
True to swami prediction every game.

Swami says one of these teams wins next 2 games. And it’ll be the habs

Yes coots is absolutely a top player in this league. Said nobody ever. He’s a really good player. A player type every team would like. There’s no debate there. But top player? Not even close. He’s a 2nd tier player. Those aren’t top players. Give some examples of top players anyone would take coots over.
- Stayin alive

Its a shorter list just to put the players you wouldnt take Coots over:

Point
Mackinnon
Crosby(in his prime)
Drasaitl
McDavid
Matthews
P.Kane
Ovechkin (in his Prime)
Barkov

Kopitar and Bergeron are Laterals and Im still bigger on Coots than Eichel because of Coots 2 way game.

Bill,

Is there any truth to the Dumba rumors ? Or is it just speculation ?

Thanks,
D

A commodity becomes ever more valuable because you lack it. Two-thirds of teams have a top pairing caliber RHD and a few have two. In most cases they drafted them or overpaid in free agency or trade. They expended picks, dollars and/or other assets to obtain a necessary piece. Just as you would expect.
- NC Flyers Fan

So if we stipulate that's true then a 1/3 of the league doesn't have top pair RH dman. So there are what 25 of them in the league? Not an easy player to get.

If coots isnt a top player, how many top forwards are there in the league?
- bradster

Well first he didn’t say top forward he said top player which would include g and d but be it as it will if talking forwards and looking at age contract impending contract all that considered there would many many forwards I’d want before coots. Some examples
Mika
Laffy
Ov
Backstrom
Aho
Svenikov
Terrivanen
Barzal
That’s just a couple of a couple in our division this list would just be way too long to think out and post.

I think point made

Its a shorter list just to put the players you wouldnt take Coots over:

Point
Mackinnon
Crosby(in his prime)
Drasaitl
McDavid
Matthews
P.Kane
Ovechkin (in his Prime)
Barkov

Kopitar and Bergeron are Laterals and Im still bigger on Coots than Eichel because of Coots 2 way game.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ummm the list isn’t shorter. Coots doesn’t even crack top 100 players in league. That clearly isn’t a top player.

I like the way you think. Take a guy in the middle who by every numerical measures is an average 1c and held as such by every external observer, and a kid who may turn out to be a good player, and a blank space, and that makes for a line comparable to one of the best in the league?

I will tell you what will make for tremendous 2nd line. The next 3 forwards the Flyers draft. They will be almost about as good as the Beuvillier-Nelson-Bailey line.
- PT21

Please quantify what numerical measures you used here. Over what period of time? So let's say an average 1C is the 15th best center in the league. With 31 teams and 4 centers to a team in the starting lineup, that's ranking 15th out of 124 players. Pretty dam good.

Its a shorter list just to put the players you wouldnt take Coots over:

Point
Mackinnon
Crosby(in his prime)
Drasaitl
McDavid
Matthews
P.Kane
Ovechkin (in his Prime)
Barkov

Kopitar and Bergeron are Laterals and Im still bigger on Coots than Eichel because of Coots 2 way game.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Laughable actually. Coots couldn’t even crack nhl network top 20 center list. When you add in the other positions he’s not even in top 100

The Couturier thing is funny. It's not where he stands in the league as a top player. Its if you move him, who is replacing everything he does for you. The flyers do not have that on the roster or in the system. Maybe if Patrick had made giant leaps and became a top player I could see the reason for maybe a Couturier trade. But Patrick should also be an example of you don't always get what you thought. Drafting 18 year old kids is not an exact science.

Laughable actually. Coots couldn’t even crack nhl network top 20 center list. When you add in the other positions he’s not even in top 100
- Stayin alive

So what? Is the NHL network the gospel of all players? It's their opinion nothing more. Secondly Coots is very underrated specifically because he isnt the flashiest player in the league.

Where did Ryan O'Reilly land on the NHL Networks top player list? He lead his team to a cup. Who on the Habs do you take over Coots who is 2 wins away from the SC finals?

Well first he didn’t say top forward he said top player which would include g and d but be it as it will if talking forwards and looking at age contract impending contract all that considered there would many many forwards I’d want before coots. Some examples
Mika
Laffy
Ov
Backstrom
Aho
Svenikov
Terrivanen
Barzal
That’s just a couple of a couple in our division this list would just be way too long to think out and post.

I think point made
- Stayin alive

Ummm the list isn’t shorter. Coots doesn’t even crack top 100 players in league. That clearly isn’t a top player.
- Stayin alive

not top 100, wow. Clearly not worth my time to discuss this then, we just judge players different

So what? Is the NHL network the gospel of all players? It's their opinion nothing more. Secondly Coots is very underrated specifically because he isnt the flashiest player in the league.

Where did Ryan O'Reilly land on the NHL Networks top player list? He lead his team to a cup. Who on the Habs do you take over Coots who is 2 wins away from the SC finals?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Couturier is better than or equal to many players that are rated higher than he is by pundits such as the NHL network. Like you said, doesn't rack up huge point numbers or score fancy highlight goals. Just normally plays Selke level defense and capable of putting up 30 goals and 70+ points. That is one hell of a player. He makes every player he plays with better. He's capable of carrying play and putting up those point totals while playing against top lines.

not top 100, wow. Clearly not worth my time to discuss this then, we just judge players different
- bradster

It's not. You replied to a source who doesn't even believe that Couturier is a #1 NHL center and repeatedly posts inaccurate point totals for the player. He doesn't have the facts.

It's not. You replied to a source who doesn't even believe that Couturier is a #1 NHL center and repeatedly posts inaccurate point totals for the player. He doesn't have the facts.
- MJL

someone on here likes to take a dig at couts saying he is an average 1c. but i dont think thats a negative, its better than half the 1cs .not sure what more he wants.

someone on here likes to take a dig at couts saying he is an average 1c. but i dont think thats a negative, its better than half the 1cs .not sure what more he wants.
- bradster

That's just an attempt at smoke and mirrors by that poster. Like you state, an average 1C is a really, really good player in the NHL. You can limit the peer group as much as you want to create the narrative that you want. There are definitely the top superstars centers in the league. McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Matthews and McKinnon. Maybe a few others but for the rest of the top centers in the league, the difference is small. Players like Couturier and Mark Stone are underappreciated by many. They do all the little things as well as score but don't put up highlight reel plays so they don't get the big press behind them.

Ummm the list isn’t shorter. Coots doesn’t even crack top 100 players in league. That clearly isn’t a top player.
- Stayin alive

YUP, they just gave him Selke last year because the league wants to make sure a Flyer wins an award. Only reason why Lindblom got an award this year too. Top 100 or not, what he brings in this league every team wants.

'Ben Simmons destroying a team like all those inept flyer goaltenders who was robbing flyers for a ton of cups"

someone on here likes to take a dig at couts saying he is an average 1c. but i dont think thats a negative, its better than half the 1cs .not sure what more he wants.
- bradster

Too much, man. Too much.

Its a shorter list just to put the players you wouldnt take Coots over:

Point
Mackinnon
Crosby(in his prime)
Drasaitl
McDavid
Matthews
P.Kane
Ovechkin (in his Prime)
Barkov

Kopitar and Bergeron are Laterals and Im still bigger on Coots than Eichel because of Coots 2 way game.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Odd list. You wouldn't take Kucherov and Marchand over Couturier?

The Couturier thing is funny. It's not where he stands in the league as a top player. Its if you move him, who is replacing everything he does for you. The flyers do not have that on the roster or in the system. Maybe if Patrick had made giant leaps and became a top player I could see the reason for maybe a Couturier trade. But Patrick should also be an example of you don't always get what you thought. Drafting 18 year old kids is not an exact science.
- J35Bacher

No one. That's exactly the point. There will be a gaping, beautifully designed hole in that spot which we won't fill for hopefully 3 odd years.

Too much, man. Too much.
- PT21

You can do better than this but his point is correct. You repeatedly claim that Couturier is an average 1C in a veiled attempt to downplay Couturier as a player. Apparently not realizing that being an average 1C makes a player a really, really good player.

Odd list. You wouldn't take Kucherov and Marchand over Couturier?
- PT21

The poster incorrectly put Kane and Ovechkin in there.

No one. That's exactly the point. There will be a gaping, beautifully designed hole in that spot which we won't fill for hopefully 3 odd years.
- PT21

While many young players fall into the same hole.

So what? Is the NHL network the gospel of all players? It's their opinion nothing more. Secondly Coots is very underrated specifically because he isnt the flashiest player in the league.

Where did Ryan O'Reilly land on the NHL Networks top player list? He lead his team to a cup. Who on the Habs do you take over Coots who is 2 wins away from the SC finals?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I love how you dismiss the judgment of by far the biggest hockey network as merely an opinion.

And then follow it up with one of your own.

RYaon O'Relli played 2C in that team, btw. I don't know what you mean by lead. Conn Smythe? Giguere has won that, and not even won the cup.