We had tons of vets last year, the reason we sucked wasnt because of vet support.
G, Jake, Coots, JVR, Raffl, Scotty, Braun Provy Ghost...just to name a few
- bradster

Not having the right partner certainly affected Provorov. Myers was affected by the situation. Many young players struggled. You need vets to play better, not just be present. There were many issues last season. The point is that you can't just go with all youth. Need to indentify which vets are part of the future and those that aren't.

Again I think we all need to face facts, the Flyers "top" players are not top players in this league, that is why the Flyers sucked last year and things unraveled. This notion about not wanting to trade "good players" to entice Seattle to take a "good" player is thus flawed IMO. The fact is Jake, JVR and Ghost are barely Meh players with large contracts. If you want Seattle to take one of them, which I think is an absolute must for Fletcher to have any chance at a successful off season, the Flyers may have to give up a pick at least. I think JVR has the best chance to be selected with no sweeteners and I would be fine with that. But even if that happens, its not enough.
- jd250

Couturier is absolutely a top player in this league. Giroux could also rebound and get back to being a top player. They certainly didn't play like it last year, which as you say, was a definite factor. Overall, I think the things that you think are going to happen are not going to happen.

Not having the right partner certainly affected Provorov. Myers was affected by the situation. Many young players struggled. You need vets to play better, not just be present. There were many issues last season. The point is that you can't just go with all youth. Need to indentify which vets are part of the future and those that aren't.
- MJL

No one has said go with all youth. The holy trinity need to go.

So Provy needs the right partner. So then he isn't good enough to carry a top pair?

No idea how much talent is in these 3 drafts, no one ever knows it’s always a crapshoot. All I’m saying is we have some decent pieces if we picked high and drafted ok for a few years we could start to really build something . You’d have a better picture of what you have in Farabee Frost Lindblom Myers sanheim York, all the other young guys, whatever you drafted and made trades for, and then you go from there. Sign someone along the way. It’s just better than whatever this is now.
- ClaudeFather

it has its merits, when it comes to big moves really only Coots has real trade value. Moving a jake or a hayes will not be helpful, it would be a dump. G will not approve a trade. The only chance is at the trade deadline, where a team would see them as a missing piece and will take on the contracts. Hayes and G would have to see the value of going. To get real value back you probably have to retain salary. Now maybe you can do a 3 team trade and let the middle (non contender team) hold salary, making the end CAP hit worth it for the end user.

it has its merits, when it comes to big moves really only Coots has real trade value. Moving a jake or a hayes will not be helpful, it would be a dump. G will not approve a trade. The only chance is at the trade deadline, where a team would see them as a missing piece and will take on the contracts. Hayes and G would have to see the value of going. To get real value back you probably have to retain salary. Now maybe you can do a 3 team trade and let the middle (non contender team) hold salary, making the end CAP hit worth it for the end user.
- wcorvette

If Giroux has the same type of yet next season and you retain half his hit I have to think you will get a nice return. Him ay 4 million or whatever it would be is good value.

If he is a company guy like he portrays he allows a trade then comes back to finish his flyers career.

The odds of us drafting a player of Jones/Hamilton caliber is slim. Trading or signing someone like that may be the only option to get a #1 RHD.
- bradster

I hope there is zero implication here that the Flyers have made any effort at all to draft that caliber of RHD. They have not. Funny saying chances were slim—weird excuse for giving no effort at all.

May be…you think?!! Banking on Myers or Attard?

it has its merits, when it comes to big moves really only Coots has real trade value. Moving a jake or a hayes will not be helpful, it would be a dump. G will not approve a trade. The only chance is at the trade deadline, where a team would see them as a missing piece and will take on the contracts. Hayes and G would have to see the value of going. To get real value back you probably have to retain salary. Now maybe you can do a 3 team trade and let the middle (non contender team) hold salary, making the end CAP hit worth it for the end user.
- wcorvette

Giroux is interesting. To me, if Giroux wants to stay a Flyer, he is going to have to take a significant pay cut. What if he has a really good season? Then what. He'll be 34. My approach would be if he is willing to sign a 2-3 year deal as a significant cut then maybe they can keep him. If not, he's a deadline trade option. However, what if the Flyers are in a playoff spot?

I hope there is zero implication here that the Flyers have made any effort at all to draft that caliber of RHD. They have not. Funny saying chances were slim—weird excuse for giving no effort at all.

May be…you think?!! Banking on Myers or Attard?
- NC Flyers Fan

Why do you think that a top pairing RH defenseman is so valuable of a commodity in the NHL?

Giroux is interesting. To me, if Giroux wants to stay a Flyer, he is going to have to take a significant pay cut. What if he has a really good season? Then what. He'll be 34. My approach would be if he is willing to sign a 2-3 year deal as a significant cut then maybe they can keep him. If not, he's a deadline trade option. However, what if the Flyers are in a playoff spot?
- MJL

if they are in the playoff spot it is a nonevent, G won't waive his NMC. Really would have to be the perfect storm for G to go in my opinion.

I hope there is zero implication here that the Flyers have made any effort at all to draft that caliber of RHD. They have not. Funny saying chances were slim—weird excuse for giving no effort at all.

May be…you think?!! Banking on Myers or Attard?
- NC Flyers Fan

I dont think they are banking on either to be the #1 RHD.....maybe hoping, but considering one of them wasnt even drafted and the other was a second rounder......

if they are in the playoff spot it is a nonevent, G won't waive his NMC. Really would have to be the perfect storm for G to go in my opinion.
- wcorvette

Agreed.

I hope there is zero implication here that the Flyers have made any effort at all to draft that caliber of RHD. They have not. Funny saying chances were slim—weird excuse for giving no effort at all.

May be…you think?!! Banking on Myers or Attard?
- NC Flyers Fan

There’s just not many around. Feel the last 15 years we have started to see a lot more players shooting right……,slowly changing.

I dont think they are banking on either to be the #1 RHD.....maybe hoping, but considering one of them wasnt even drafted and the other was a second rounder......
- bradster

Ronnie Attard was drafted in 2019, 3rd round, 72nd overall. He is the Flyers highest drafted RHD of the last 20 years.

good question,

Price or a hot goalie winning the cup is a legit win, especially if they have to get by a team like Vegas. Now having to Play the Leafs and Jets, was the best case scenario path
- wcorvette

I ask because Tampa and Vegas have been legit contenders for three seasons now and now Montreal just might walk up and steal their lunch by taking a couple of short cuts to the finish line.

I ask because Tampa and Vegas have been legit contenders for three seasons now and now Montreal just might walk up and steal their lunch by taking a couple of short cuts to the finish line.
- SuperSchennBros

Montreal is more built for the playoffs than the regular season. They also played better than Vegas last night. It could easliy be montreal up 3-1. Great goaltending and great team defense is a recipe for success in the playoffs. And it helps that all 4 remaining teams are in the top 11 for heaviest teams in the NHL, that is not a fluke.

Why do you think that a top pairing RH defenseman is so valuable of a commodity in the NHL?
- MJL

A commodity becomes ever more valuable because you lack it. Two-thirds of teams have a top pairing caliber RHD and a few have two. In most cases they drafted them or overpaid in free agency or trade. They expended picks, dollars and/or other assets to obtain a necessary piece. Just as you would expect.

My research about Hamilton suggests that he’s extremely introverted and quiet in the dressing room, which can be taken in different ways by different people – including teammates. He’s more likely to take a solo walk on Toronto’s St George campus’ Philosopher’s Walk and then spend a day at the ROM (Royal Ontario Museum) other than hang out with the guys.
- jd250

Sounds far too intelligent to play for the Flyers.

so...

Coots in the middle and lets say Farabee takes a step forward and builds on last season. Now you have Farabee on his wing. Now if you can find that other part, you have a real good 1st line. I look at the perfection line and with Coots can you get him the right wings to be similar. I don't think Farabee is a Marchand or Pasta but I do think he has potential to bring something close. Could you add G, eh, its not bad.
- wcorvette

I like the way you think. Take a guy in the middle who by every numerical measures is an average 1c and held as such by every external observer, and a kid who may turn out to be a good player, and a blank space, and that makes for a line comparable to one of the best in the league?

I will tell you what will make for tremendous 2nd line. The next 3 forwards the Flyers draft. They will be almost about as good as the Beuvillier-Nelson-Bailey line.

Sounds far too intelligent to play for the Flyers.
- PT21

Sigh..

Yes, I posted about it the day after it happened. And sorry I didn't realize you were joking abut Boston.
- jd250

Is this an Abbott and Costello rerun?

I ask because Tampa and Vegas have been legit contenders for three seasons now and now Montreal just might walk up and steal their lunch by taking a couple of short cuts to the finish line.
- SuperSchennBros

Is there an asterisk around the last time the Habs won the Cup in '93? There were a lot of legit contenders that year (Pens, Bruins, etc), but the Habs rode Roy and like 10 OT wins to the Cup. Last I checked, all the players from that team still have their rings on.

'95 Devils barely had a winning record, too.

So replacing mid tier UFA type players with other mid tier UFA types. In my opinion, bringing in mid tier UFA types is exactly what the Flyers shouldn't do. Either bring in top flight players or bring in short term vets as stop gaps. Don't tie the team up in cap space while making the team better but not good enough. Worst thing they can do. I'd rather they do nothing.
- MJL

Yet you want to sign aging coots to his big once in lifetime contract? You are a silly person you rambles and has no plan or original thought. You sir just look to stir the pot with contradicting statements all day long

I like the way you think. Take a guy in the middle who by every numerical measures is an average 1c and held as such by every external observer, and a kid who may turn out to be a good player, and a blank space, and that makes for a line comparable to one of the best in the league?

I will tell you what will make for tremendous 2nd line. The next 3 forwards the Flyers draft. They will be almost about as good as the Beuvillier-Nelson-Bailey line.
- PT21[/quot

Hey thanks for responding, I appreciate it.

it wasn't just about the part you posted, see quote below. It was more about dealing with reality and reasonable possibility. It was more about the Coots conversation, there needs to be a plan one way or the other, making the best line around your best player, who is probably signing a new long term deal. I could have made the blank space the new #1 center, but that just isn't reasonable is it? Could they go out and get that sniper? Is that more of possibility than getting a 1A 1C?

Chance they will not sign Coots again?
Chance they can land one of these true #1 centers?

I know you would like a rebuild but do you think that is what CF is going to do? We both know it is MOST LIKELY NO.

I clearly acknowledge that would not be as good as The Perfection line. If Farabee improves upon what he has accomplished and they can add the other piece, that is a #1 line, I do believe that line would be better than the Nelson line. It would also help slot the rest of the lines to line up better against other teams

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"If you can't put that together in the next 2 seasons, then maybe you do have to move Coots"

Couturier is absolutely a top player in this league. Giroux could also rebound and get back to being a top player. They certainly didn't play like it last year, which as you say, was a definite factor. Overall, I think the things that you think are going to happen are not going to happen.
- MJL

Yes coots is absolutely a top player in this league. Said nobody ever. He’s a really good player. A player type every team would like. There’s no debate there. But top player? Not even close. He’s a 2nd tier player. Those aren’t top players. Give some examples of top players anyone would take coots over.

Yes coots is absolutely a top player in this league. Said nobody ever. He’s a really good player. A player type every team would like. There’s no debate there. But top player? Not even close. He’s a 2nd tier player. Those aren’t top players. Give some examples of top players anyone would take coots over.
- Stayin alive

If coots isnt a top player, how many top forwards are there in the league?