You trade Sean couturier, Seattle possibly picks up one of those high price contracts, you have a couple losing seasons, and then you would have drafted a couple high first rounders as well as whatever you get from Coots and it’s time to evaluate
- ClaudeFather

Nooooo! Not Coots. That guy is hard to play against. He earns and will earn every penny he gets.

What's the definition of hitting the reset button? You can't have a team of all just young players. Need some vets.
- MJL

Hitting the reset button would be bottoming out, finishing with a top 10 pick. Assuming Jake and G probably hang around, if not sign an older guy or two to a 1-2 year deals. Somebody that is respected around the league.

What's the definition of hitting the reset button? You can't have a team of all just young players. Need some vets.
- MJL

Vets are so hard to acquire.

there's no point in discussing it with you when you say ridiculous things like that. Provorov, Sanheim, TK are already part of the core and aren't pushing Giroux, JVR or Voracek out the door, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

And no, York and Allison aren't pushing anyone out the door....yet.
- DraftandDestroy

To exclude those players as part of the future is what is ridiculous. What are they, part of the old guard? Turnover of a roster happens over time. To not consider them when looking at how this team is going to change over future years? Speaking of ridiculous, I was looking at young players pushing out older players as happening in the future. I was unaware you were talking about right now.

I agree, I think the Flyers protect wisely and let Seattle take who they want. Than deal with it. I don’t like sweetening the pot for Seattle to take a better player from the Flyers. They will get a good player from the Flyers (JVR, Jake, or Ghost) and I would be shocked if they take Braun, Hagg, or NAK over those guys. Seattle will have a plan and take guys as they need to build a team. Those last three guys can be had from any team.
- peesinwind

I tend to agree, I don't see a need to add a sweetener for a guy like JVR, the 2 years is why, the term is right and fans come to see goals. That said, if CF's plan needs JVR to go and Seattle needed a pick to make it happen, I would throw in a 4th.

I have said this numerous times, this offseason has a lot of opportunity in it, CF needs to do his job. If he has the best offseason and any GM the Flyers will be in good shape come the fall

Ouch, is this list supposed to make be feel good about the future?
- Dkos

Sure why not. Other than Hart, no one with star potential but some that are already good players and some that have the talent and upside to be good players.

This is literally every other teams mentality
- ClaudeFather

Not even close. Teams are all in different situations. Some teams will be like the Flyers last ED when Belly was taken. The Flyers didn’t have any high options. So Vagus opted to take a good 4th line center man with some speed. And some teams were giving away good players so Vafus would take another good player with Cap.

Some will be loaded in D players like the Wild and some have some talented too nine guys that will be exposed. Every team will go with their game plan for the ED. But Seattle will force some teams to their knees.

I agree, I think the Flyers protect wisely and let Seattle take who they want. Than deal with it. I don’t like sweetening the pot for Seattle to take a better player from the Flyers. They will get a good player from the Flyers (JVR, Jake, or Ghost) and I would be shocked if they take Braun, Hagg, or NAK over those guys. Seattle will have a plan and take guys as they need to build a team. Those last three guys can be had from any team.
- peesinwind

I don't think we can count on Seattle taking one of the high cap hit players. It could certainly happen but not a definite. With the cap the way it is, a good amount of high cap hit players are going to be exposed. Seattle isn't going to take a high cap hit players from every team. Braun and Haag can both be decent depth defenseman and NAK has youth on his side.

Hitting the reset button would be bottoming out, finishing with a top 10 pick. Assuming Jake and G probably hang around, if not sign an older guy or two to a 1-2 year deals. Somebody that is respected around the league.
- ClaudeFather

If you're suggesting they should tank, which means intentionally trying to lose, they won't do that.

Not even close. Teams are all in different situations. Some teams will be like the Flyers last ED when Belly was taken. The Flyers didn’t have any high options. So Vagus opted to take a good 4th line center man with some speed. And some teams were giving away good players so Vafus would take another good player with Cap.

Some will be loaded in D players like the Wild and some have some talented too nine guys that will be exposed. Every team will go with their game plan for the ED. But Seattle will force some teams to their knees.
- peesinwind

There’s a ton of teams thinking their high priced guy will be picked

Not even close. Teams are all in different situations. Some teams will be like the Flyers last ED when Belly was taken. The Flyers didn’t have any high options. So Vagus opted to take a good 4th line center man with some speed. And some teams were giving away good players so Vafus would take another good player with Cap.

Some will be loaded in D players like the Wild and some have some talented too nine guys that will be exposed. Every team will go with their game plan for the ED. But Seattle will force some teams to their knees.
- peesinwind

No, he's basically right. Many teams are going to expose high cap hit players in the hope of clearing cap. Seattle will have plenty of high cap hit players to choose from.

Sure why not. Other than Hart, no one with star potential but some that are already good players and some that have the talent and upside to be good players.
- MJL

so...

Coots in the middle and lets say Farabee takes a step forward and builds on last season. Now you have Farabee on his wing. Now if you can find that other part, you have a real good 1st line. I look at the perfection line and with Coots can you get him the right wings to be similar. I don't think Farabee is a Marchand or Pasta but I do think he has potential to bring something close. Could you add G, eh, its not bad. Or could a TK step forward, eh. I would like a Reinhart type, good skill, speed, gets to the dirty areas and has a wicked shot.

Point is you potentially have the makings for a real strong top line. Coots needs the 2 best wingers, young and skilled, a line for today and the future.

If you can't put that together in the next 2 seasons, then maybe you do have to move Coots.

If you're suggesting they should tank, which means intentionally trying to lose, they won't do that.
- MJL

They won’t but they should, perfect time to do so. The cupboard has some nice pieces on it, would love to add to it. I hate the word tank, it would be purposefully weakening the roster to gain assets but what’s wrong with a young competitive hockey team? Not suggesting what Buffalo did, we would still win games.

They won’t but they should, perfect time to do so. The cupboard has some nice pieces on it, would love to add to it. I hate the word tank, it would be purposefully weakening the roster to gain assets but what’s wrong with a young competitive hockey team? Not suggesting what Buffalo did, we would still win games.
- ClaudeFather

You won't be a competitive team without some solid vets and top players. Didn't we learn from last year what happens to younger players when that vet support isn't what it needs to be?

You won't be a competitive team without some solid vets and top players. Didn't we learn from last year what happens to younger players when that vet support isn't what it needs to be?
- MJL

I should have been more clear, competitive as in go out there and give a solid effort every night. I don’t even know what to call this past season, the lack of attention to detail was absurd. Top to bottom pathetic from the majority of the roster.

I don't think we can count on Seattle taking one of the high cap hit players. It could certainly happen but not a definite. With the cap the way it is, a good amount of high cap hit players are going to be exposed. Seattle isn't going to take a high cap hit players from every team. Braun and Haag can both be decent depth defenseman and NAK has youth on his side.
- MJL

I’m not taking it for granted for sure. Seattle will have a plan. If they take one of the Flyers’ depth guys I wouldn’t sweat it. Cap is not in good shape in a year but giving away good players for them that take a good player creates two holes just to get some cap wiggle room. No thanks. Now if it is a 4th round draft pick I wouldn’t sweat that much.

They won’t but they should, perfect time to do so. The cupboard has some nice pieces on it, would love to add to it. I hate the word tank, it would be purposefully weakening the roster to gain assets but what’s wrong with a young competitive hockey team? Not suggesting what Buffalo did, we would still win games.
- ClaudeFather

so-

is there that much talent in the next 3 drafts? Or is it that the top 10 in each draft are always just that good? I think if they can't figure it this offseason out then maybe you are right, but I but I don't think this offseason is the time. Covid has affected scouting, coming off a terrible season where all underperformed, seems like a panic move.

My opinion, start the season and let some of the players rehab their reputations. If they do and they are still far far away and you don't have the pieces for Coots to have a dominant first line, then I will be in more a sale mode.

Note- I am for trading a Jake or a G, as long as it is a good hockey trade and there is a plan.

You won't be a competitive team without some solid vets and top players. Didn't we learn from last year what happens to younger players when that vet support isn't what it needs to be?
- MJL

We had tons of vets last year, the reason we sucked wasnt because of vet support.
G, Jake, Coots, JVR, Raffl, Scotty, Braun Provy Ghost...just to name a few

You see the play Pulock made at the end of Game 4?
- PLindbergh31

Yes, I posted about it the day after it happened. And sorry I didn't realize you were joking abut Boston.

so-

is there that much talent in the next 3 drafts? Or is it that the top 10 in each draft are always just that good? I think if they can't figure it this offseason out then maybe you are right, but I but I don't think this offseason is the time. Covid has affected scouting, coming off a terrible season where all underperformed, seems like a panic move.

My opinion, start the season and let some of the players rehab their reputations. If they do and they are still far far away and you don't have the pieces for Coots to have a dominant first line, then I will be in more a sale mode.

Note- I am for trading a Jake or a G, as long as it is a good hockey trade and their is a plan.
- wcorvette

No idea how much talent is in these 3 drafts, no one ever knows it’s always a crapshoot. All I’m saying is we have some decent pieces if we picked high and drafted ok for a few years we could start to really build something . You’d have a better picture of what you have in Farabee Frost Lindblom Myers sanheim York, all the other young guys, whatever you drafted and made trades for, and then you go from there. Sign someone along the way. It’s just better than whatever this is now.

I tend to agree, I don't see a need to add a sweetener for a guy like JVR, the 2 years is why, the term is right and fans come to see goals. That said, if CF's plan needs JVR to go and Seattle needed a pick to make it happen, I would throw in a 4th.

I have said this numerous times, this offseason has a lot of opportunity in it, CF needs to do his job. If he has the best offseason and any GM the Flyers will be in good shape come the fall
- wcorvette

If I could trade even a second rounder to Seattle to get them to pick Jake I would do it. I agree with you about JVR, he has the right term that should make him attractive to Seattle. I imagine there will be some pressure from the fanbase right out of the gate given how well Vegas has done.

You won't be a competitive team without some solid vets and top players. Didn't we learn from last year what happens to younger players when that vet support isn't what it needs to be?
- MJL

Flyer were so competitive this season with the solid vets and top players.

You just hit the nail on the head. When that vet support isn't what he needs to be. The vet leadership o this teams sucks. Yet lets keep the band back together. Bring back Raffle to solidify that 4th line.

As you said they have some good young pieces. You don't need to tank. You need to flush out the rotten core and bring in as you said solid vets who can help these guys. With the assets you acquire and free agency it can be turned around sooner rather than later. Assuming the young guys are as good as you think they are and you have faith in this GM and coaching staff.

Sure why not. Other than Hart, no one with star potential but some that are already good players and some that have the talent and upside to be good players.
- MJL

hmm...no star potential, maybe some of them will be good players. Stop, you're giving me goose bumps.

I’m not taking it for granted for sure. Seattle will have a plan. If they take one of the Flyers’ depth guys I wouldn’t sweat it. Cap is not in good shape in a year but giving away good players for them that take a good player creates two holes just to get some cap wiggle room. No thanks. Now if it is a 4th round draft pick I wouldn’t sweat that much.
- peesinwind

Again I think we all need to face facts, the Flyers "top" players are not top players in this league, that is why the Flyers sucked last year and things unraveled. This notion about not wanting to trade "good players" to entice Seattle to take a "good" player is thus flawed IMO. The fact is Jake, JVR and Ghost are barely Meh players with large contracts. If you want Seattle to take one of them, which I think is an absolute must for Fletcher to have any chance at a successful off season, the Flyers may have to give up a pick at least. I think JVR has the best chance to be selected with no sweeteners and I would be fine with that. But even if that happens, its not enough.

I should have been more clear, competitive as in go out there and give a solid effort every night. I don’t even know what to call this past season, the lack of attention to detail was absurd. Top to bottom pathetic from the majority of the roster.
- ClaudeFather

It was the worst season of Flyers hockey I have ever experienced. With that being said, as I've said before. They need to react to that but not overreact to it.