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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 11:10 PM ET
What narrative?

I like the move Fletcher made.

The selection of York and adding an extra draft pick.

Watching a player who played poorly for one team and then have a chance to get his name on the Cup with another team, in the same season, is always a weird sight to see.

- Captain_Ahab


The narrative that the Flyers passed up on this great all star future hall of famer and instead took York. Yes, that is hyperbole but not far from it.
BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 11:15 PM ET
This is where Daryl Morey is going to earn his paycheck: finding a new coach and seeing if he can deal Simmons for a true PG.
- Sublime55


I agree. Morey must find a way to trade the albatross that is Ben Simmons. If you’re quote/unquote #2 player can’t be trusted to play the final minutes of game 7, it’s time to move on. Bradley Beal would certainly be a nice fit...the Wiz could be a potential trade partner, given they are far from contending, and are in the middle of a coaching change.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 20 @ 11:18 PM ET
Simmons was an all star three months ago and was a liability on the court (offensive end) during the playoffs. Unbelievable
- StepfordSam


If he got that mentally rattled over the course of a 7 game series and melted in front of everyone, I wonder if he’ll ever be able to get past it the next time he’s in a pressure situation in the postseason. The decline in his FT% in the playoffs was staggering.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 20 @ 11:22 PM ET
I agree. Morey must find a way to trade the albatross that is Ben Simmons. If you’re quote/unquote #2 player can’t be trusted to play the final minutes of game 7, it’s time to move on. Bradley Beal would certainly be a nice fit...the Wiz could be a potential trade partner, given they are far from contending, and are in the middle of a coaching change.
- BroadSTmayhem


I have some faith that Morey can do it. He did a lot in a short period last offseason to overhaul part of the roster and improve it. He seems to have a good grasp of the GM role.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 12:27 AM ET
will the sixers choke like the flyers?
- 2Real

yup
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 21 @ 1:10 AM ET
yup
- 2Real

Was there actually any doubt? It was glorious to watch. Epic actually
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:43 AM ET
Was there actually any doubt? It was glorious to watch. Epic actually
- Stayin alive

nope this is philly we can rarely have nice things
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 21 @ 6:47 AM ET
That's on Gustafsson for his performance as a Flyer. For the record, it is a ridiculous narrative being thrown out by some with Caulfield.
- MJL


I have a feeling those same people will still be bringing up Caufield in 5 years from now when he scores a goal.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 21 @ 7:48 AM ET
That's on Gustafsson for his performance as a Flyer. For the record, it is a ridiculous narrative being thrown out by some with Caulfield.
- MJL

I agree regarding Caulfield. Yes he is a good young player that is having a nice 1st season in the league. But York is also a good young player that as a defenseman is only 1 year behind Caulfield in terms of development, and that is nothing to sneeze at. I am looking forward to seeing what York does next season, but I have high hopes he will be a very good player, and if so all this Caulfield talk will be nonsense.

Regarding Gust, its a matter of fit. In Montreal they have a a good system and bought in players that play their system well; and it doesn't hurt to have one of the all time best goalies in history back stopping the team. Gust still makes mistakes, but his teammates and the system cover them up well, so good for Montreal's coaching staff and the players. In Philly, it seemed this past year (well actually the past several years) every mistake is amplified because it usually means the puck is in the back of the Flyers' net on most nights. As you said, the players are mostly at fault, but the coaching staff didn't help by adjusting the system to give the players the best chance to succeed.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 21 @ 8:03 AM ET
I like Couturier, but where is the cap space coming from?


And fill the need for a top defenseman?(Niskanen was a $5.75 cap hit and not on the level as a Jones or Hamilton)
And resign Carter Hart this summer?
And a backup goalie this summer?
And resign Sanhaim this summer?
And Farabee next summer?
And Frost next summer?
Replace Giroux next summer?

If they can unload a contract in the expansion draft, then that would help greatly. That's why Seattle may want a decent draft pick to do so.

- Captain_Ahab

No draft pick needed, the Flyers have to set this up so to not give Seattle a choice. Seattle is not going to waste their pick on scabs like Braun, Haag, or even Sandstrom, so you feed them Jake JVR and Ghost and tell them to take their pick and move on. Whomever Seattle picks will give the Flyers some cap relief. Then Fletcher has to get creative and get rid of whichever two are remaining to free up the rest of the space. This will be key to Fletcher's entire offseason, in that if he does not clear significant space, his hands are essentially tied, and we get essentially the same team next year with a different backup goalie and hoping the young kids play better. Not fun!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 8:03 AM ET
The cap is challenging moving forward for every team. You keep your best players and build around them.
- MJL

Giroux, Jake, ex-selke, and JVR are their best players. I agree lest build around them. That is a sound plan.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 21 @ 8:11 AM ET
From Hockey writers, there is a rumor that Hamilton wants to play for the Leafs:

Elliotte Friedman was a guest on Sportsnet’s 590 The Fan’s radio “Lead Off” show yesterday and reported that there might be mutual interest in bringing Dougie Hamilton to the Maple Leafs. Friedman believes Hamilton would be a stabilizing factor on the team’s defense and reported his sources believed Hamilton was interested in coming Toronto’s way (he’s from the area). Friedman also reported that there’s some concern that Hamilton might not be a good fit with the team because of his personality.

My research about Hamilton suggests that he’s extremely introverted and quiet in the dressing room, which can be taken in different ways by different people – including teammates. He’s more likely to take a solo walk on Toronto’s St George campus’ Philosopher’s Walk and then spend a day at the ROM (Royal Ontario Museum) other than hang out with the guys. Still, when I look at his career, he’s stayed no longer than three seasons with any team he’s played for – the Boston Bruins, the Calgary Flames, and now the Carolina Hurricanes. All that said, he’s a great offensive defenseman – who’s improving his defensive game.

You be the judge, but I think the Flyers need to look elsewhere.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:14 AM ET
No draft pick needed, the Flyers have to set this up so to not give Seattle a choice. Seattle is not going to waste their pick on scabs like Braun, Haag, or even Sandstrom, so you feed them Jake JVR and Ghost and tell them to take their pick and move on. Whomever Seattle picks will give the Flyers some cap relief. Then Fletcher has to get creative and get rid of whichever two are remaining to free up the rest of the space. This will be key to Fletcher's entire offseason, in that if he does not clear significant space, his hands are essentially tied, and we get essentially the same team next year with a different backup goalie and hoping the young kids play better. Not fun!
- jd250


It absolutely a possibility that Seattle takes a low cap hit player from the Flyers. They are not going to take a high cap hit player from every single team. The Flyers cannot feed them anybody. Low cap hit players will be on the Flyers unprotected list.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 8:15 AM ET
No draft pick needed, the Flyers have to set this up so to not give Seattle a choice. Seattle is not going to waste their pick on scabs like Braun, Haag, or even Sandstrom, so you feed them Jake JVR and Ghost and tell them to take their pick and move on. Whomever Seattle picks will give the Flyers some cap relief. Then Fletcher has to get creative and get rid of whichever two are remaining to free up the rest of the space. This will be key to Fletcher's entire offseason, in that if he does not clear significant space, his hands are essentially tied, and we get essentially the same team next year with a different backup goalie and hoping the young kids play better. Not fun!
- jd250

Well let us know when all 3 of those you mention are no longer on this roster.
Seattle taking Braun would be a smart move.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 8:16 AM ET
From Hockey writers, there is a rumor that Hamilton wants to play for the Leafs:


You be the judge, but I think the Flyers need to look elsewhere.

- jd250


The comment that he would stabilize the Leafs defense is the most important comment made in that. What does that tell you? You be the judge.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 8:17 AM ET
Is there a more loser city than Philly that has 4 major sports teams?
Long history of losing.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 21 @ 8:47 AM ET
Is there a more loser city than Philly that has 4 major sports teams?
Long history of losing.

- hello it's me 2050

Almost as long a history as your annoying pessimism
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 21 @ 8:50 AM ET
Is there a more loser city than Philly that has 4 major sports teams?
Long history of losing.

- hello it's me 2050

Also, didn’t the Eagles win a super bowl recently?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 9:00 AM ET
Almost as long a history as your annoying pessimism
- ClaudeFather

Pessimism? Nope. The results are right there for you to view.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 9:01 AM ET
Also, didn’t the Eagles win a super bowl recently?
- ClaudeFather

very impressive. What's that 1 in how many years?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 21 @ 9:02 AM ET
No draft pick needed, the Flyers have to set this up so to not give Seattle a choice. Seattle is not going to waste their pick on scabs like Braun, Haag, or even Sandstrom, so you feed them Jake JVR and Ghost and tell them to take their pick and move on. Whomever Seattle picks will give the Flyers some cap relief. Then Fletcher has to get creative and get rid of whichever two are remaining to free up the rest of the space. This will be key to Fletcher's entire offseason, in that if he does not clear significant space, his hands are essentially tied, and we get essentially the same team next year with a different backup goalie and hoping the young kids play better. Not fun!
- jd250


I don't think the Flyers should use any picks to sweeten anything either. Most "experts" seem to think Seattle takes JVR or Ghost, but there are a few out there who think Braun will be the guy. A lot depends on who gets picked from other teams and where they are in relation to the cap floor/ceiling.

A lot is riding on whether or not this past season was just a speedbump due to all the strange circumstances of the season in general. I tend to LEAN towards the reason as being yes, and expect many of these players to improve.

I know that is a big IF. But its not an outrageous POV.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 21 @ 9:08 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers should use any picks to sweeten anything either. Most "experts" seem to think Seattle takes JVR or Ghost, but there are a few out there who think Braun will be the guy. A lot depends on who gets picked from other teams and where they are in relation to the cap floor/ceiling.

A lot is riding on whether or not this past season was just a speedbump due to all the strange circumstances of the season in general. I tend to LEAN towards the reason as being yes, and expect many of these players to improve.

I know that is a big IF. But its not an outrageous POV.

- MBFlyerfan

Depending on the cost I use an incentive/sweetner to get rid of Jake. Though I just cant see Seattle wanting him at all.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 21 @ 9:15 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers should use any picks to sweeten anything either. Most "experts" seem to think Seattle takes JVR or Ghost, but there are a few out there who think Braun will be the guy. A lot depends on who gets picked from other teams and where they are in relation to the cap floor/ceiling.

A lot is riding on whether or not this past season was just a speedbump due to all the strange circumstances of the season in general. I tend to LEAN towards the reason as being yes, and expect many of these players to improve.

I know that is a big IF. But its not an outrageous POV.

- MBFlyerfan



They can't be worse right? There isn't much of a choice, past season was so bad it actually leads you to believe they have to be better. Then the cost of giving up early on assets and not getting the returns, very few Flyers are a sell high deal right now.

Just make smart hockey trades, only go big if you know you are winning the trade for your team and it fits the next 3 years or so.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 21 @ 9:16 AM ET
Is there a more loser city than Philly that has 4 major sports teams?
Long history of losing.

- hello it's me 2050


Boston
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 21 @ 9:29 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers should use any picks to sweeten anything either. Most "experts" seem to think Seattle takes JVR or Ghost, but there are a few out there who think Braun will be the guy. A lot depends on who gets picked from other teams and where they are in relation to the cap floor/ceiling.

A lot is riding on whether or not this past season was just a speedbump due to all the strange circumstances of the season in general. I tend to LEAN towards the reason as being yes, and expect many of these players to improve.

I know that is a big IF. But its not an outrageous POV.

- MBFlyerfan

I feel like folks are wrong in thinking it’s one or the other between last year and this year. It’s probably more of in between the two , and that’s a bit frightening. Mediocrity at its finest.
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