im not saying its horrible for the flyers per se. i would probably do it but there is a bit of a hold your nose and take the plunge feeling. its a huge risk but thats the intention. i just like seeing people willing to plunk down quality in hypotheticals rather than scooping up their trash expecting other teams to covet it. (not saying thats unique to flyers fans).

a good trade hypo should hurt a little bit.
- stayinthefnnet

Very well put.

im not saying its horrible for the flyers per se. i would probably do it but there is a bit of a hold your nose and take the plunge feeling. its a huge risk but thats the intention. i just like seeing people willing to plunk down quality in hypotheticals rather than scooping up their trash expecting other teams to covet it. (not saying thats unique to flyers fans).

a good trade hypo should hurt a little bit.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly. Unless chirelli is involved in trade talks you gotta give to get. That’s the point of stock piling assets. What some don’t seem to understand in flyer land is the difference between top elite talent and good nice assets. If you don’t have the elite you HAVE to move some assets to acquire or Fa and over pay. Or draft high to maximize chances or get lucky with later picks. Personally in flyers case they’ve spent the time getting assets. Time to move a few if available. Giving up coots added bonus not paying 30 year old to big contract

And in the last 2 seasons coots and Bergeron have run about the same PPG, while Bergeron has 2 of the best wingers in the league, that are a perfect fit. Would Coots stats would be higher the last 2 years if he switched with Bergeron ?

Does that mean Bergeron is no longer a 1C or just an average 1C?
- wcorvette

You forgot something…. Bergy has also missed significant time to injury. And played hurt a lot. What are the numbers otherwise? Or does that not matter?

You forgot something…. Bergy has also missed significant time to injury. And played hurt a lot. What are the numbers otherwise? Or does that not matter?
- Stayin alive

Coots also played hurt a lot. Or does that only matter when it serves your point?

Point 13th goal. Must be nice
- Stayin alive

There is a poster here, who I will not name, who was arguing Couts is better than Point bc of regular season stats this year.

The regular season in Hockey to me is just an artefact devised by billionaire owners to keep the fools flocking to the seats. It means nothing except perhaps after Feb 1. How hung up people get over regular season stats, whereas regular season standings have only a slight correlation with playoff success after teams get in to the dance.

Check out the post season stats for Couts versus people he is often compared with. Bergeron, Kopitar...

And in the last 2 seasons coots and Bergeron have run about the same PPG, while Bergeron has 2 of the best wingers in the league, that are a perfect fit. Would Coots stats would be higher the last 2 years if he switched with Bergeron ?

Does that mean Bergeron is no longer a 1C or just an average 1C?
- wcorvette

In coots career year 76 points.

Bergy 79 in 65 games.

Does this matter ?

You forgot something…. Bergy has also missed significant time to injury. And played hurt a lot. What are the numbers otherwise? Or does that not matter?
- Stayin alive

Points per game is points per game.

Should have never traded luke schenn

Coots also played hurt a lot. Or does that only matter when it serves your point?
- MBFlyerfan

Coots career best year 80 games 76 points

Bergy that year 65 games 79 points


Bergy ppg averaged over 82 games? 97 points.

Or does that just serve my point? Never mind the facts and math?

In coots career year 76 points.

Bergy 79 in 65 games.

Does this matter ?
- Stayin alive

So now back 3 years? Wouldn’t the most recent be a better way to measure. You skipped over who Bergeron plays with???

Points per game is points per game.
- wcorvette[/Coots career best year 80 games 76 points

Bergy that year 65 games 79 points


Bergy ppg averaged over 82 games? 97 points.

Or does that just serve my point? Never mind the facts and math?

Is this what you mean?

So now back 3 years? Wouldn’t the most recent be a better way to measure. You skipped over who Bergeron plays with???
- wcorvette

Ummm really? 2 fake seasons? That was last full pre bs virus season

So now back 3 years? Wouldn’t the most recent be a better way to measure. You skipped over who Bergeron plays with???
- wcorvette

And also very IMPORTANT these were coots career statistic years to boot

[quote=wcorvette]Points per game is points per game.
- Stayin alive[/Coots career best year 80 games 76 points

Bergy that year 65 games 79 points


Bergy ppg averaged over 82 games? 97 points.



Or does that just serve my point? Never mind the facts and math?

Is this what you mean?

We are talking about who they are now correct ? I think the last 24 months is fair to look at what is and what is potential in the coming seasons.

Then who does Bergeron play with?

Ummm really? 2 fake seasons? That was last full pre bs virus season
- Stayin alive

So nothing that happen the last 2 season matter? So we shouldn’t reshape the team based upon this seasons shxt show

So now back 3 years? Wouldn’t the most recent be a better way to measure. You skipped over who Bergeron plays with???
- wcorvette

Also g had 102 points in 76 point career year for coots. Nothing to sneeze at. Coots has had g in his prime (at end of prime more accurately) but still. And Jake career 80 +point winger too. Just pointing out in coots career years he’s nowhere near Bergy and has had in prime wingers.

Also g had 102 points in 76 point career year for coots. Nothing to sneeze at. Coots has had g in his prime (at end of prime more accurately) but still. And Jake career 80 +point winger too. Just pointing out in coots career years he’s nowhere near Bergy and has had in prime wingers.
- Stayin alive

So they were the perfection line ?

So nothing that happen the last 2 season matter? So we shouldn’t reshape the team based upon this seasons shxt show
- wcorvette

I’ve always said I don’t believe in the fake virus season. No fans. Stupid schedule and all that. With that said it is obvious the skill difference in teams players. Also the age and contracts. That is more the concern for me. For example coots age and pending contract is same line as simmer when we let him go. You just can’t IN A CAP WORLD sign those deals. Even if you trade them for peanuts. Cap space and flexibility has to be priority or at least always considered

So they were the perfection line ?
- wcorvette

For the flyers they were

We are talking about who they are now correct ? I think the last 24 months is fair to look at what is and what is potential in the coming seasons.

Then who does Bergeron play with?
- wcorvette

Taking everything into account the last 24 months if you want to look at it as precursor for the next upcoming few seasons here’s the way I’d compare the 2 examples

Boston Bergy getting in twilight of career as point producer Marchand nearing end of prime pasta in middle of prime

Philly coots on beginning of tail end of prime g clearly end of prime and needs to take lesser major role in offense Jake shouldn’t even be on top line

Apple to oranges if you swap any player in or out of withers line up. Coots coming off a contract he clearly outplayed is NOT taking any discount NOR should he. He will want the big deal and you don’t ever mortgage the future on the age. Honestly if they gave him the 8 year big $ deal years ago I’d be fine with that. For example Jake is horrible contract now and for a few more years. If it was coots now in jakes contract it’s not even an issue. Coots took the term last contract with chance he would outplay it. That’s on him. Just like if we pay him 8+ mil for 7 years in a couple years when he can’t live up to it it would be on us. Don’t want to be on that position. At draft his value is highest. That’s when teams can deal and have cap space and all that. After draft and free agency the price goes down because less teams involved

Taking everything into account the last 24 months if you want to look at it as precursor for the next upcoming few seasons here’s the way I’d compare the 2 examples

Boston Bergy getting in twilight of career as point producer Marchand nearing end of prime pasta in middle of prime

Philly coots on beginning of tail end of prime g clearly end of prime and needs to take lesser major role in offense Jake shouldn’t even be on top line

Apple to oranges if you swap any player in or out of withers line up. Coots coming off a contract he clearly outplayed is NOT taking any discount NOR should he. He will want the big deal and you don’t ever mortgage the future on the age. Honestly if they gave him the 8 year big $ deal years ago I’d be fine with that. For example Jake is horrible contract now and for a few more years. If it was coots now in jakes contract it’s not even an issue. Coots took the term last contract with chance he would outplay it. That’s on him. Just like if we pay him 8+ mil for 7 years in a couple years when he can’t live up to it it would be on us. Don’t want to be on that position. At draft his value is highest. That’s when teams can deal and have cap space and all that. After draft and free agency the price goes down because less teams involved
- Stayin alive

Bergeron is still a top center in this league, he was this past season. Some experts, in fact most consider Bergeron to the gold standard for C.

Bergeron is still a top center in this league, he was this past season. Some experts, in fact most consider Bergeron to the gold standard for C.
- wcorvette

But there's so many that get more points than him, how can he be a top center?

But there's so many that get more points than him, how can he be a top center?
- bradster

He bribed them to say he is the best

There is a poster here, who I will not name, who was arguing Couts is better than Point bc of regular season stats this year.

The regular season in Hockey to me is just an artefact devised by billionaire owners to keep the fools flocking to the seats. It means nothing except perhaps after Feb 1. How hung up people get over regular season stats, whereas regular season standings have only a slight correlation with playoff success after teams get in to the dance.

Check out the post season stats for Couts versus people he is often compared with. Bergeron, Kopitar...
- PT21

If you're going to call someone out, you should have the fortitude to name them. I have no knowledge of anyone on this board stating that Couturier is better than Point but I could be wrong. I give that 4 Pinocchio's. If the regular season means nothing then why do you constantly put forth stats compiled from the regular season in your posts to try and support your opinions?
Regular season standings have only a slight correlation to playoff success? LOL. How do teams that don't play well enough in the regular season to make the playoffs do in the playoffs?
As far as individual playoff stats, a good number of playoff games happened when he was young and was not as developed offensively as he is now. He was primarily tasked with lower line checking duties against top players like Malkin. Not conducive to offensive production. The quality of the team you play for is also a factor. However if you want to criticize Couturier for his offensive production in the playoffs in recent seasons, I think that's fair.

On a final note, how does an opinion that hockey fans who like to attend regular season NHL games for enjoyment in life are fools flocking to the seats, reflect on the person giving that opinion?

There is a poster here, who I will not name, who was arguing Couts is better than Point bc of regular season stats this year.

The regular season in Hockey to me is just an artefact devised by billionaire owners to keep the fools flocking to the seats. It means nothing except perhaps after Feb 1. How hung up people get over regular season stats, whereas regular season standings have only a slight correlation with playoff success after teams get in to the dance.

Check out the post season stats for Couts versus people he is often compared with. Bergeron, Kopitar...
- PT21

I'll post it again, Couts is absolutely part of the solution here, not part of the problem, and any argument presented that tries to trade Couts so we can tank and get a top 5 pick in just plain silly! If that is what you want, I suggest you change teams and root for the Sabres, who will once again pick number 1 and still be at the bottom of the league!