You can do better than this but his point is correct. You repeatedly claim that Couturier is an average 1C in a veiled attempt to downplay Couturier as a player. Apparently not realizing that being an average 1C makes a player a really, really good player.
- MJL

Let me know when you figure out that there is no contradiction between calling Couts a really good player and wanting to move him

...

or that some people have aspirations that aim for higher than being average in one of the most important positions.

Its only been discussed 20 odd times. I do believe if you discuss it 20 more, you may begin to comprehend.

So keep at it, my man.

Game 4 price under .920another loss.
True to swami prediction every game.

Swami says one of these teams wins next 2 games. And it’ll be the habs
- Stayin alive

Well, Price played well yesterday. The <.92 is an artefact of how few shots Vegas took.

That series blows.

Sigh..
- NC Flyers Fan

No, no, this was not a lazy swipe. There is an unusually high % of yahoos in the Philly fan base, esp. re: Eagles and Flyers compared to other big city teams. It is an old city, which has not gentrified as much as others, so a lot of the old school yahooism has remained. And this old school yahooism does not like intellectual types, and if a player had that image, and has a setback in his game, then the jeering will have more of an edge to it.

Remember for instance Dhani Jones.

That's what I was getting at.

I love how you dismiss the judgment of by far the biggest hockey network as merely an opinion.

And then follow it up with one of your own.

RYaon O'Relli played 2C in that team, btw. I don't know what you mean by lead. Conn Smythe? Giguere has won that, and not even won the cup.
- PT21

RoR is not 2nd C. B.Schenn is....... He's been the #1 guy since he was traded there.

Secondly it is an opinion. Regardless of what they say its always an opinion or else the same players would win the trophies year in and year out and SC champions could be decided in preseason. These same analysts regularly make predictions and are wrong because it's all educated guesses.

I love how you dismiss the judgment of by far the biggest hockey network as merely an opinion.

And then follow it up with one of your own.


- PT21

It is merely an opinion. Nothing more. His point of bringing up O'Reilly is that press pundits tend to value the more flashier players with more offensive pizazz if you will rather than player like O'Reilly who in some cases is a more effective player.

RYaon O'Relli played 2C in that team, btw. I don't know what you mean by lead. Conn Smythe? Giguere has won that, and not even won the cup.
- PT21

This is not correct. O'Reilly led all Blues forwards in ice time in the 2019 playoffs. He played the most ice time at EV than any other Blues forward. In PP ice time per game, he second only to Tarasenko, who is not a center. He was second in SH ice time per game among Blues forwards. Second to Steen who is not a center. So btw, where are you getting your information from? Oh and btw, he led the Blues in playoff scoring and was tied for the league lead in playoff scoring. It's pretty clear how he led his team.

No, no, this was not a lazy swipe. There is an unusually high % of yahoos in the Philly fan base, esp. re: Eagles and Flyers compared to other big city teams. It is an old city, which has not gentrified as much as others, so a lot of the old school yahooism has remained. And this old school yahooism does not like intellectual types, and if a player had that image, and has a setback in his game, then the jeering will have more of an edge to it.

Remember for instance Dhani Jones.

That's what I was getting at.
- PT21

Now now little Shelly. Don’t stay up to late proving that your the only voice that matters. It was nice not having you around for two days berating people’s opinions . Can you tell us all about not having a car. I LOVE that one. I’ll start warming up the milk for my bedtime story.

Let me know when you figure out that there is no contradiction between calling Couts a really good player and wanting to move him

...

or that some people have aspirations that aim for higher than being average in one of the most important positions.

Its only been discussed 20 odd times. I do believe if you discuss it 20 more, you may begin to comprehend.

So keep at it, my man.
- PT21

Let me know when you figure out that the post that you replied to, is not commenting on wanting to move him. It is commenting on the level of player that Couturier is.

Speaking of comprehension, each team has 4 centers in the lineup. If we stipulate that Couturier is an "average" 1C, that would rank him around 15th in the league among centers. 15th out of over 120 players in the league. So how is it that Couturier is average at the center position? If need be, I'll supply the math for you. This is keeping at it, my man

RoR is not 2nd C. B.Schenn is....... He's been the #1 guy since he was traded there.

Secondly it is an opinion. Regardless of what they say its always an opinion or else the same players would win the trophies year in and year out and SC champions could be decided in preseason. These same analysts regularly make predictions and are wrong because it's all educated guesses.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I believe Schenn played 1c between Schwartz and Tarasenko throughout the 2019 playoffs. Maybe I misremember and you can correct me.

The problem with dismissing external opinions is that too often the dismissal is a prelude to offering one's alternative one.

When things are kinda ambiguous, one's opinion might be as good as another. But when there is a mass of external opinion, as well as stats. that all lean the same way, and you go against it simply because nothing in life is infallible, well, then, you are teetering on the edge of Trump supporter land.

Now now little Shelly. Don’t stay up to late proving that your the only voice that matters. It was nice not having you around for two days berating people’s opinions . Can you tell us all about not having a car. I LOVE that one. I’ll start warming up the milk for my bedtime story.
- Angus4444

Please spare us your fantasies of incest.

But, always a pleasure to oblige.

I don't have a car.

Trading ex-selke is the way to go. it has nothing to do with the player himself. Nothing to do with his production and contribution to the team.

1. He will be 30 when he signs his shinny new 8 year deal for 8 million plus.
2. The flyers have a lot of holes on this team to fill.
3. They have a lot of question marks on this team.
4.This team isnt close to a contender. If your watching the playoffs you see the huge gap.
5. He will be 30 and most know how those type of deals work out in the end. He isnt any finesse player who will age well.

Hopefully ex selke himself sees how this team is structured and makes it easy for them to move him by saying he will explore free agency.

I believe Schenn played 1c between Schwartz and Tarasenko throughout the 2019 playoffs. Maybe I misremember and you can correct me.

The problem with dismissing external opinions is that too often the dismissal is a prelude to offering one's alternative one.

When things are kinda ambiguous, one's opinion might be as good as another. But when there is a mass of external opinion, as well as stats. that all lean the same way, and you go against it simply because nothing in life is infallible, well, then, you are teetering on the edge of Trump supporter land.
- PT21

Sheep being led. The issue is the sources that you rely on. It's a popularity contest more than anything. I already corrected you on who was the 1C in the playoffs. You repeatedly mention stats but never present them. The political dig is not going to be effective.

Let me know when you figure out that the post that you replied to, is not commenting on wanting to move him. It is commenting on the level of player that Couturier is.

Speaking of comprehension, each team has 4 centers in the lineup. If we stipulate that Couturier is an "average" 1C, that would rank him around 15th in the league among centers. 15th out of over 120 players in the league. So how is it that Couturier is average at the center position? If need be, I'll supply the math for you. This is keeping at it, my man
- MJL

Because, no one said he is average at the center position. People said he is average at 1C, as you yourself have noted earlier (bolded) and then forgotten 10 words later.

I will leave you with a historical quote that will bring tears of happiness to your eyes:

"Claude Giroux flashes some leather" - Doc Emrick, live commentary.

Because, no one said he is average at the center position. People said he is average at 1C, as you yourself have noted earlier (bolded) and then forgotten 10 words later.

I will leave you with a historical quote that will bring tears of happiness to your eyes:

"Claude Giroux flashes some leather" - Doc Emrick, live commentary.
- PT21

Sure you did. At 6:43 PM tonight, you made this statement regarding Couturier

"or that some people have aspirations that aim for higher than being average in one of the most important positions."

Where are the stats that you repeatedly reference?

Sheep being led. The issue is the sources that you rely on. It's a popularity contest more than anything. I already corrected you on who was the 1C in the playoffs. You repeatedly mention stats but never present them. The political dig is not going to be effective.
- MJL

I just checked. Schenn was indeed the 1C.

https://www.stanleycupofc...Vaw3N2ex7C5NqX-WKH4aQVL5o

https://www.nbcsports.com...gs-bruins-vs-blues-game-1

https://www.nbcsports.com...irings-stanley-cup-finale

https://www.bostonherald....the-stanley-cup-playoffs/

https://www.cbssports.com...een-the-bruins-and-blues/

Every single one of the links above explicitly mention Schenn as the 1c.

I am happy to clear this up for you this time, and I can sense how grateful you must be, but please understand that my time is not free, and future elementary corrections will understandably entail prior proof of payment to Doctors without Borders or posted medical record of a recent mental health exam, or else will be regretfully ignored.

So if we stipulate that's true then a 1/3 of the league doesn't have top pair RH dman. So there are what 25 of them in the league? Not an easy player to get.
- MJL

There is a huge difference between saying “not easy” and looking into the Flyers recent history at the position and hearing “why bother.” What attempts have you seen in the last ten years to obtain two top-pairing caliber defenseman to play together? Anything look like a plan for the long haul?

I don’t want to hear excuses. It’s too hard…meanwhile don’t draft a single RHD in the first two rounds of the draft and talk about the low availability and high cost to acquire. If two-thirds have done it, it can be done.

The team’s drafting at the position points to a either a flaw in planning or not carrying a plan to completion or not being flexible enough to trade assets to correct a projection error of fit and timing.

Sure you did. At 6:43 PM tonight, you made this statement regarding Couturier

"or that some people have aspirations that aim for higher than being average in one of the most important positions."

Where are the stats that you repeatedly reference?
- MJL

The most important position is obviously the 1C. I am not going to include the 4c as part of the most important positions, am I?

Now, MJL, delightful fun though this is for me, you know this is not good for you. Like a very old car asked to go up a hill, the strain shows and the progress is non-existent.

Why not take it easy, my man, and have some herbal tea, and listen to some nice meditation tapes instead of emitting the noxious fumes from futile backfires?

I just checked. Schenn was indeed the 1C.

https://www.stanleycupofc...Vaw3N2ex7C5NqX-WKH4aQVL5o

https://www.nbcsports.com...gs-bruins-vs-blues-game-1

https://www.nbcsports.com...irings-stanley-cup-finale

https://www.bostonherald....the-stanley-cup-playoffs/

https://www.cbssports.com...een-the-bruins-and-blues/

Every single one of the links above explicitly mention Schenn as the 1c.

I am happy to clear this up for you this time, and I can sense how grateful you must be, but please understand that my time is not free, and future elementary corrections will understandably entail prior proof of payment to Doctors without Borders or posted medical record of a record mental health exam, or else will be regretfully ignored.
- PT21

None of that is evidence of anything. I gave you the statistical facts that you cannot dispute. You ignored that. Instead you went for anecdotal evidence and ignored the facts. You have not made a solid argument. You formed your opinion without having the facts. You label statistical data as infallible when you think it supports your opinion and ignore it if it doesn't.

On the other matter, I'm awaiting for you to produce the stats that you claim makes Couturier an average center.

The most important position is obviously the 1C. I am not going to include the 4c as part of the most important positions, am I?


- PT21

A 1C and a 4C both play the same exact position. Center. Labeling Couturier average as a center in any manner, is simply incorrect.

None of that is evidence of anything. I gave you the statistical facts that you cannot dispute. You ignored that. Instead you went for anecdotal evidence and ignored the facts. You have not made a solid argument. You formed your opinion without having the facts.
- MJL

It is not uncommon at all for checking centers to play more minutes than 1c players, especially in playoffs. If the opposing team (say team B) is rolling out its own 1C a lot, as would be the case with a top heavy team like Bruins, for instance, than the original team (Team A) would match this by playing its checking line center a lot as well, especially if that match-up is favorable to the end result.

Iotw, most mins =/ 1c.

Later.

I just checked. Schenn was indeed the 1C.

- PT21

Is the 1C the one on the top of printed lineup before the game or the center with the most even strength ice time at the end of the day? You see, I believe logic favors the latter. What if one is playing better so he gets the top matchups…what if the 1C on paper leaves the game early then obviously another center filled the role of the 1C?

Fwiw, O’Reilly had more even strength and total ice time than Schenn during the 2019 playoffs.

It is not uncommon at all for checking centers to play more minutes than 1c players, especially in playoffs. If the opposing team (say team B) is rolling out its own 1C a lot, as would be the case with a top heavy team like Bruins, for instance, than the original team (Team A) would match this by playing its checking line center a lot as well, especially if that match-up is favorable to the end result.

Iotw, most mins =/ 1c.

Later.
- PT21

It is extremely uncommon for a checking center to play more that a 1C over the course of a 23 game playoff sample. Now you're implying that O'Reilly is a checking center rather than the 1C that he is. The value of having a 1C like O'Reilly and Couturier is that they can play as 1C's and matchup against other teams top lines. Digging a deeper hole. Now by all means, if you can supply the statistical data that shows that it's not uncommon for a checking center to play more than a 1C in a significant sample of games, I'd be glad to take a look at that.

I just checked. Schenn was indeed the 1C.

- PT21

Is the 1C the one on the top of printed lineup before the game or the center with the most even strength ice time at the end of the day? You see, I believe logic favors the latter. What if one is playing better so he gets the top matchups…what if the 1C on paper leaves the game early then obviously another center filled the role of the 1C?

Fwiw, O’Reilly had more even strength and total ice time than Schenn during the 2019 playoffs.

Is the 1C the one on the top of printed lineup before the game or the center with the most even strength ice time at the end of the day? You see, I believe logic favors the latter. What if one is playing better so he gets the top matchups…what if the 1C on paper leaves the game early then obviously another center filled the role of the 1C?

Fwiw, O’Reilly had more even strength and total ice time than Schenn during the 2019 playoffs.
- NC Flyers Fan

Usually the two would be the same, but not always would be my guess. I explained why not above. In the case of a defense first team like the Blues, where they rely on balanced team scoring, it may be more important to deny the opposing team's clear cut top line scoring opportunities than provide them for your own first-line center.

Usually the two would be the same, but not always would be my guess. I explained why not above. In the case of a defense first team like the Blues, where they rely on balanced team scoring, it may be more important to deny the opposing team's clear cut top line scoring opportunities than provide them for your own first-line center.
- PT21

Every top NHL team relies on balanced scoring and scoring depth if they want to advance far in the NHL playoffs. Do you have any statistical evidence to support your matchup claim?

In the rankings of centers on NHL.com that you frequently mention, who ranks higher? O'Reilly or Schenn?

Hypothetically speaking, if Bruce Cassidy, head coach of the Bruins would change his lines and have Bergeron center a different line that with Marchand and Pasternak, does that mean that Bergeron is no longer the team's #1 center. When he moved Pasternak off of the top line and away from Bergeron and Marchand, does that mean that Pasternak is no longer the team's #1 RW?

In the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs, the Blues ranked 6th in the playoffs in goals per game. They were 10th in goals against per game in the playoffs. They ranked higher offensively than they did defensively.

Every top NHL team relies on balanced scoring and scoring depth if they want to advance far in the NHL playoffs. Do you have any statistical evidence to support your matchup claim?

In the rankings of centers on NHL.com that you frequently mention, who ranks higher? O'Reilly or Schenn?
- MJL

Indeed I do. The Blues run in 2019. You may not know this, but Schenn, the clear cut 1c, actually played less than ROR, the 2C.

Beams sweetly at MJL.

Now, you are freeloading, so I regret without proof of payment, or ned records, I must dippy do from you.