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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Off-season hindsight; Not going all-in for Pietrangelo was a mistake
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:35 PM ET
Montreal beats us in 4, Vegas beats Montreal in 4.
- Canada Cup


He meant 6
I posted to the wrong post 🤣
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 2:42 PM ET
You’re
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underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Jun 19 @ 2:51 PM ET
Just watched Moneyball.

Boy Dubas is NOT Billy Beane. Beane had balls to make tough moves. Don't see that happening in Leaf land.

If a team is lacking heart and balls, you need to start with the most overvalued, softest player and work your way through the roster to build a tough team. You have to start there, whoever that player is. Whoever it is!

That's changing the culture.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:01 PM ET
Just watched Moneyball.

Boy Dubas is NOT Billy Beane. Beane had balls to make tough moves. Don't see that happening in Leaf land.

If a team is lacking heart and balls, you need to start with the most overvalued, softest player and work your way through the roster to build a tough team. You have to start there, whoever that player is. Whoever it is!

That's changing the culture.

- underhill14



Gotta wait until July 1st for the signing bonus to be paid. Then Marner this unnamed player has to go.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 19 @ 3:03 PM ET
Gotta wait until July 1st for the signing bonus to be paid. Then Marner this unnamed player has to go.
- Steven_Seagull

That’s probably a tough deal to make. That’s a lot of salary going both ways. Is there precedent for a trade of this size in the last 10-15 years? I’m trying to think of one and all I got is maybe Shea Weber and Subban?
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:05 PM ET
Gotta wait until July 1st for the signing bonus to be paid. Then Marner this unnamed player has to go.
- Steven_Seagull

Hope ur boy can pull something off. Fu3king killing me to watch the Habs still playing right now.

I just want to get past the first round!!!!!!


*stomps feet running to bedroom, flopping my limp body on to the bed to cry*
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:08 PM ET
That’s probably a tough deal to make. That’s a lot of salary going both ways. Is there precedent for a trade of this size in the last 10-15 years? I’m trying to think of one and all I got is maybe Shea Weber and Subban?
- RickJames77



Send him to LA. They have 20M in cap next year, looking for top-6 wingers, and have a ton of high end prospects.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 19 @ 3:10 PM ET
Send him to LA. They have 20M in cap next year, looking for top-6 wingers, and have a ton of high end prospects.
- Steven_Seagull
They’re loaded in terms of prospects and cap space for sure, but I suspect they make a splash for Eichel before Marner. Who knows, though 🤷🏻‍♂️
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:19 PM ET
That’s probably a tough deal to make. That’s a lot of salary going both ways. Is there precedent for a trade of this size in the last 10-15 years? I’m trying to think of one and all I got is maybe Shea Weber and Subban?
- RickJames77


Probably right, and one team got it up the hoop on that one. Leafs probably lose any trade involving Marner. What would be coming back and how much salary would be freed up?
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

Jun 19 @ 3:29 PM ET
Hindsight Is easy and It makes for alot of experts, Perhaps the Leafs need an experienced coach and GM, And It might be time to unload one of the core forwards so that they can fill out the lines with some solid depth.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:31 PM ET
Just watched Moneyball.

Boy Dubas is NOT Billy Beane. Beane had balls to make tough moves. Don't see that happening in Leaf land.

If a team is lacking heart and balls, you need to start with the most overvalued, softest player and work your way through the roster to build a tough team. You have to start there, whoever that player is. Whoever it is!

That's changing the culture.

- underhill14

I agree with you. But I have a feeling Dubie doubles down on his Dubieness which will lead to his demise.

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Mitchell Marner ($10,903,000) - William Nylander ($6,962,366) - Ilya Mikheyev ($1,645,000) - Jason Spezza ($750,000)
Centre: Auston Matthews ($11,640,250) - John Tavares ($11,000,000) - Nick Foligno ($2,000,000) - Adam Brooks ($725,000)
Left wing: Nicholas Robertson ($796,667) - Michael Bunting ($1,500,000) - Alex Galchenyuk ($1,050,000) - Pierre Engvall ($1,250,000) - Joey Anderson ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Dougie Hamilton ($8,500,000) - TJ Brodie ($5,000,000) - Zach Bogosian ($1,000,000)
Left: Jake Muzzin ($5,625,000) - Morgan Rielly ($5,000,000) - Rasmus Sandin ($894,167) - Travis Dermott ($925,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
Jack Campbell ($1,650,000) - Vitek Vanecek ($716,667)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Phil Kessel ($1,200,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,483,117
Cap Space: $16,883
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 19 @ 3:33 PM ET
Probably right, and one team got it up the hoop on that one. Leafs probably lose any trade involving Marner. What would be coming back and how much salary would be freed up?
- winsix
Yeah, exactly. You’d have to have the stars align for another team looking to make a big time change or a like the gull said, a team with a lot of space and quality prospects.
Bullot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Red Deer, AB
Joined: 07.14.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:34 PM ET
Leafs should have traded Reilly and acquired prospects and signed PeterAng.

If Dubas keeps Reilly and let’s him walk for nothing I’ll be burning my Jersey. So fed up with stupid decisions and deals! (See Marner contract)
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jun 19 @ 3:35 PM ET
I agree with you. But I have a feeling Dubie doubles down on his Dubieness which will lead to his demise.

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Mitchell Marner ($10,903,000) - William Nylander ($6,962,366) - Ilya Mikheyev ($1,645,000) - Jason Spezza ($750,000)
Centre: Auston Matthews ($11,640,250) - John Tavares ($11,000,000) - Nick Foligno ($2,000,000) - Adam Brooks ($725,000)
Left wing: Nicholas Robertson ($796,667) - Michael Bunting ($1,500,000) - Alex Galchenyuk ($1,050,000) - Pierre Engvall ($1,250,000) - Joey Anderson ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Dougie Hamilton ($8,500,000) - TJ Brodie ($5,000,000) - Zach Bogosian ($1,000,000)
Left: Jake Muzzin ($5,625,000) - Morgan Rielly ($5,000,000) - Rasmus Sandin ($894,167) - Travis Dermott ($925,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
Jack Campbell ($1,650,000) - Vitek Vanecek ($716,667)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Phil Kessel ($1,200,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,483,117
Cap Space: $16,883

- gergeswillems


What the (frank) is a Michael Bunting. 🤔
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:37 PM ET
What the (frank) is a Michael Bunting. 🤔
- joel878

From Scarborough. 25 years old. Scored 10 goals in 21 games for the Coyotes last season.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:38 PM ET
From Scarborough. 25 years old. Scored 10 goals in 21 games for the Coyotes last season.
- gergeswillems



His girlfriend works for the Leafs
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:39 PM ET
His girlfriend works for the Leafs
- Steven_Seagull

Bunting will be 26 when next season starts. He'll likely want to sign with Toronto to be with his gf.
Horsey Sauce
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.13.2021

Jun 19 @ 3:45 PM ET
Sorry, we're paying a guy 10.9 million per season to 'need more support'. Even if your point is accurate (which it isn't), it then becomes further evidence of why he needs to go. He makes don't worry about me money not I need help money, he's nothing but a cap vacuum if you've got to further allocate dollars to get him to perform.
- joel878

Sundin was a top 15 player in the league, made great money.

He needed more support.

Mitch and Austin are like a pair of big tits, they’re great but they need support.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:45 PM ET
That’s probably a tough deal to make. That’s a lot of salary going both ways. Is there precedent for a trade of this size in the last 10-15 years? I’m trying to think of one and all I got is maybe Shea Weber and Subban?
- RickJames77


Ship Mitch to Arizona.

Step 1: Leafs trade for Kessel before his signing bonus is due for a 5th or something. Leafs pay signing bonus and Arizona saves 5 million.

Step 2: Leafs Trade MM to Arizona for Chychrun or some sh!t after July 1st. Arizona gets 4 years of mitch for like 6 million per year, and don't have to pay big $$$ until July 2022.

Flip Kessel to a cash strapped team with cap space if Leafs don't want him.

I know it won't happen.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM ET
Just saw this on another Leafs site.




Tavares: C
Matthews: A
Nylander: A

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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 19 @ 3:47 PM ET
Yeah, exactly. You’d have to have the stars align for another team looking to make a big time change or a like the gull said, a team with a lot of space and quality prospects.
- RickJames77


Why trade Marner for prospects who will develop when Matthews walks out the door?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 19 @ 3:48 PM ET
Sundin was a top 15 player in the league, made great money.

He needed more support.

Mitch and Austin are like a pair of big tits, they’re great but they need support.

- Horsey Sauce

so trannies?
Horsey Sauce
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.13.2021

Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
so trannies?
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I think that’s a derogatory term now.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 19 @ 3:53 PM ET
Why trade Marner for prospects who will develop when Matthews walks out the door?
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Or, you know, you could have the prospects you get back from trading Marner, then with the cap space sign good UFAs.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:53 PM ET
so trannies?
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why ya have to mock all the time??
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