If Calgary would entertain that - you do that in a heartbeat..
- dozerD10

Agreed, but it they lose Johnny Hockey, they have little skill up front. The Leafs need to leverage the player who was 4th in the league in scoring this year. Calgary will again probably miss the playoffs and might be ready to make a move.

So? You’re the one who said he doesn’t put up those numbers if not playing with Matthews. I think you’re wrong about that and I think I showed you why I think that.
- shack67

He’s not wrong.

Matthews lead the league in EV goals (second in total goals) as a rookie, and was already a PPG in his second season. All without Marner.

Tavares was top-3 in Hart voting twice. The first time he was second in goals, and the second time he was second in points. All without Marner.

Marner’s career best without either of them is 69 points in 82 games.

It’s pretty clear Marner benefits more from playing with Matthews/Tavares than they do playing with him. He does make them better, but not by much.

The bottom line is this. Matthews has three more years on his current contract. If they continue to underperform in the playoffs, he may just walk. The Leafs have enough skilled forwards, but need some gritty, tough, in your face players. It's not enough to go after minimum wage retreads, like Simmonds and Thornton and expect a different outcome. Time to build a playoff style team, or forever be classified a clone of the 2000 Daniel Alfredsson Senators.

Do you really think that Calgary wouldn’t make that trade?
- shack67

They've been trying to move Gaudreau for a while. Tkachuk scored 77 points in his last full season (34 goals) - pre covid. He's Calgary's next Captain no way they trade him. Hanafin - maybe, Gaudreau for sure. Marner's trade value is about as low as it will get about now in my estimation.

He’s not wrong.

Matthews lead the league in EV goals (second in total goals) as a rookie, and was already a PPG in his second season. All without Marner.

Tavares was top-3 in Hart voting twice. The first time he was second in goals, and the second time he was second in points. All without Marner.

Marner’s career best without either of them is 69 points in 82 games.

It’s pretty clear Marner benefits more from playing with Matthews/Tavares than they do playing with him. He does make them better, but not by much.
- Steven_Seagull

Tavares had 47 goals playing with Marner. That’s 10 more than he got playing with anyone else.

They've been trying to move Gaudreau for a while. Tkachuk scored 77 points in his last full season (34 goals) - pre covid. He's Calgary's next Captain no way they trade him. Hanafin - maybe, Gaudreau for sure. Marner's trade value is about as low as it will get about now in my estimation.
- winsix

Agreed .. Either of the Tkachuk boys are exactly what every team in the league is looking for up front.. High high skill with nasty and toughness.

They've been trying to move Gaudreau for a while. Tkachuk scored 77 points in his last full season (34 goals) - pre covid. He's Calgary's next Captain no way they trade him. Hanafin - maybe, Gaudreau for sure. Marner's trade value is about as low as it will get about now in my estimation.
- winsix

He finished 4th in the scoring race and his trade value is at a career low right now? What the fuk are you guys smoking?

They've been trying to move Gaudreau for a while. Tkachuk scored 77 points in his last full season (34 goals) - pre covid. He's Calgary's next Captain no way they trade him. Hanafin - maybe, Gaudreau for sure. Marner's trade value is about as low as it will get about now in my estimation.
- winsix

The Leafs need to find a way to make this deal. Returning to the Atlantic division will necessitate this. Bruins, Panthers, Tampa, Habs and a fast and up in coming team, in Ottawa, will either force a retool or they'll flounder and miss the playoffs. It's just that simple. Mr. Social Justice Jackoff, in the GM suite, better start managing or get the hell out of the way. Maybe a job as a Social Activist is better suited for Kyle Dubas.

Tavares had 47 goals playing with Marner. That’s 10 more than he got playing with anyone else.
- shack67

In the 2013 shorten season he had 28 goals in 48 games.

28/48 x 82 = 47.8

🤔


And he did it without Marner. Weird…

He finished 4th in the scoring race and his trade value is at a career low right now? What the fuk are you guys smoking?
- shack67

Agreed, his value is high. Trade him on July 1st.

In the 2013 shorten season he had 28 goals in 48 games.

28/48 x 82 = 47.8

🤔
- Steven_Seagull

Jesus you’re going back 8 years. What’s he done since without Marner. What’s his best goal scoring season?

Agreed, his value is high. Trade him on July 1st.
- Steven_Seagull

There is two ways to look at this. Teams thinking a year ago, that he was not available. They may think, this is their chance to get a top tier playmaker. They may bite on this. If he comes back and has a stellar year, in Toronto, he becomes untouchable.

On Tkachuk's contact, it's a bridge deal that expires in 2 years. Calgary may be thinking that it's going to be too rich. Leafs need to make this kind of deal.

Jesus you’re going back 8 years. What’s he done since without Marner. What’s his best goal scoring season?
- shack67

Technically 2013.

I’m not even the biggest Marner fan on here. He pissed me off during his contract negotiations. Although I blame Lou for that too.

But trading him will probably turn out like when the Bruins traded Seguin. We’re going to get bent over and we’ll get to watch Marner be a star for the next 10 years.

There is two ways to look at this. Teams thinking a year ago, that he was not available. They may think, this is their chance to get a top tier playmaker. They may bite on this. If he comes back and has a stellar year, in Toronto, he becomes untouchable.

On Tkachuk's contact, it's a bridge deal that expires in 2 years. Calgary may be thinking that it's going to be too rich. Leafs need to make this kind of deal.
- PrinceLH

Tkachuk’s contract ends next off-season, then he’ll be a RFA.

Best part of Marner’s contract is how front loaded the salary is. His AAV over the final four years is just 6.2M. That’ll be worth something to another team.

The bottom line is this. Matthews has three more years on his current contract. If they continue to underperform in the playoffs, he may just walk. The Leafs have enough skilled forwards, but need some gritty, tough, in your face players. It's not enough to go after minimum wage retreads, like Simmonds and Thornton and expect a different outcome. Time to build a playoff style team, or forever be classified a clone of the 2000 Daniel Alfredsson Senators.
- PrinceLH

And they have money to get some of those guys. People assumed Foligno was one - played injured and apparently wants to come back and play at a decent contract. They have $2-3M in goalie savings. They can turn Kerfoot money from someone who is a nice light skater into money for a heavier forecheckers. Gally should be gone and replaced with someone on an ELC. There are a few guys to be brought up for some savings

There’s money to be put into the kind of guys we’re taking about.

There’s also the same crowd who screamed for blood after every Freddie goal, every Rielly (frank) up who just want to move Marner out. If Shanny decides he can’t elevate his game, fine. If we need some banging forecheckers, there’s money for them.

Tavares had 47 goals playing with Marner. That’s 10 more than he got playing with anyone else.
- shack67

JT played with plugs on terrible NYI teams. JT led the team in PP goals that season. Marner is a good winger , but put this into perspective, he makes more $ than the following players:

Price
Kane
Eichel
Kucherov
Stamkos
McKinnon
Malkin
Rantanen
Pietrangelo
Draisaitl
Aho
Hedman
Weber
Tkachuk
Bergeron
Marchand
Pastrnak
Ovechkin

Technically 2013.
- Steven_Seagull

You’ve become the new AA around here. Just sub Marner for Willy and there’s no way to tell you two apart.

I’m not even the biggest Marner fan on here. He pissed me off during his contract negotiations. Although I blame Lou for that too.

But trading him will probably turn out like when the Bruins traded Seguin. We’re going to get bent over and we’ll get to watch Marner be a star for the next 10 years.
- shack67

Look I'm not saying trade the guy for stiffs... but if the Leafs can fill a glaring hole.. a big time finishing forward with skill and nasty or a top notch D... you do the deal..

If I were Dubie.. I call Florida about Ekblad. See if something cannot be arranged with those 2 as main pieces.

JT played with plugs on terrible NYI teams. JT led the team in PP goals that season. Marner is a good winger , but put this into perspective, he makes more $ than the following players:

Price
Kane
Eichel
Kucherov
Stamkos
McKinnon
Malkin
Rantanen
Pietrangelo
Draisaitl
Aho
Hedman
Weber
Tkachuk
Bergeron
Marchand
Pastrnak
Ovechkin
- winsix

Comparing contracts that were signed pre McDavid is so stupid it’s not worth it. Do you really need to have that explained to you?

I’m not even the biggest Marner fan on here. He pissed me off during his contract negotiations. Although I blame Lou for that too.

But trading him will probably turn out like when the Bruins traded Seguin. We’re going to get bent over and we’ll get to watch Marner be a star for the next 10 years.
- shack67

Bruins at least won a Cup with Seguin in 2011, and went to the finals in 2013 before trading him. They traded him because they were stupid. He had a great cap hit, and signed long term. Leafs have 3 of the 7 highest cap hits. This isn’t sustainable.

Also the Bruins made the Finals again in 2019, if they didn’t (frank) up the 2015 draft, they’d probably have won or came close to winning a couple more.

And they have money to get some of those guys. People assumed Foligno was one - played injured and apparently wants to come back and play at a decent contract. They have $2-3M in goalie savings. They can turn Kerfoot money from someone who is a nice light skater into money for a heavier forecheckers. Gally should be gone and replaced with someone on an ELC. There are a few guys to be brought up for some savings

There’s money to be put into the kind of guys we’re taking about.

There’s also the same crowd who screamed for blood after every Freddie goal, every Rielly (frank) up who just want to move Marner out. If Shanny decides he can’t elevate his game, fine. If we need some banging forecheckers, there’s money for them.
- Canada Cup

I can't believe you are still trying to defend Freddy. He was brutal this season, .895 SP and 13 Wins and 11 losses. Campbell had 17 wins in 22 starts with a .921 SP

Remember the days.. when if Leafs could just get rid of Gardiner everything will start going Leafs way.. ahhh always time for a new scapegoat in Leaf land.

Look I'm not saying trade the guy for stiffs... but if the Leafs can fill a glaring hole.. a big time finishing forward with skill and nasty or a top notch D... you do the deal..

If I were Dubie.. I call Florida about Ekblad. See if something cannot be arranged with those 2 as main pieces.
- dozerD10

This is the leafs you’re talking about. They started trading players too soon back in the sixties. Only to watch said players go on to have great careers. It’s way too soon to trade Marner.

JT played with plugs on terrible NYI teams. JT led the team in PP goals that season. Marner is a good winger , but put this into perspective, he makes more $ than the following players:

Price
Kane
Eichel
Kucherov
Stamkos
McKinnon
Malkin
Rantanen
Pietrangelo
Draisaitl
Aho
Hedman
Weber
Tkachuk
Bergeron
Marchand
Pastrnak
Ovechkin
- winsix

apples and oranges.
here, Marner makes a lot more $$ than Aho, Point and Rantanen who were all RFAs the same summer Marner was.