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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:21 AM ET
500K cap space

Robertson-AM-Marner
E.Kane(5.5M)-JT-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wennberg(2.75M)-Foligno(2.25M)
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Dermott(1.25M)
Sandin-Bogosian(1M)
Liljegren

Campbell
Mrazek(2.75M)

Holl taken in expansion

Used the Kessel deal as a reference

Kane(1.25M) for 2022 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jun 17 @ 9:22 AM ET
500K cap space

Robertson-AM-Marner
E.Kane(5.5M)-JT-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wennberg(2.75M)-Foligno(2.25M)
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Dermott(1.25M)
Sandin-Bogosian(1M)
Liljegren

Campbell
Mrazek(2.75M)

Holl taken in expansion

Used the Kessel deal as a reference

Kane(1.25M) for 2022 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot

- Santo_44

Way too much for Kane
Otherwise not bad
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 17 @ 9:22 AM ET
So he’ll sign with Tampa?
- Garnie

Maybe. Hedman will likely be on LOLTIR after his hip surgery. But they'd try to re-sign Coleman and Goodrow first.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:24 AM ET
I don't give a (frank) what the Leafs have done in the past with young players. I don't care if they blossomed after being traded or flamed out. It's a completely irrelevant and emotional argument.

My reasons for moving on from Marner are pragmatic: his salary is absurdly high compared to his production. He has been underwhelming for 3 straight playoffs. The Leafs core is completely front loaded with 3 players earning 33M.

If the Leafs traded Marner they may not get a player of his pedigree back and I'm completely fine with that. But that doesn't mean the returns for him couldn't be put to excellent use in terms of either futures (picks/prospects) or multiple players who make this club much more difficult to play against.

I think Mitch Marner is a wonderful hockey player and I'd hate to let him go. But it sure as poop isn't "extremely dumb" to consider moving his contract.

You sound like that type of fan who suffers from PTSD because of past trades (Courtnall, Kurvers, et al.). If anyone needs to relax, it's you, bud.

- mjones242



10.8M? no.

9.5M? Yup

He is 1.5M overpaid. Its really a non issue especially when the Leafs have zero bad contracts.

It would be a mistake of the past and I am over that.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:26 AM ET
Way too much for Kane
Otherwise not bad

- mr.sir

Used the Kessel deal as a reference. SJ maybe sends a 3rd back.

But Kapanen=Amirov

1st=1st

Kerfoot=Spaling(Kerfoot probably has a bit more value)

Kessel was retained 1.25M
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:26 AM ET
Umm, you dont need a top tier pitcher right now.
the jays need average bullpen help, thats it.

It would be B level prospects

- Fakepartofme


Jays actually have a shot so take it seriously and bring in some serious help. But you don’t have to (frank) with grade A prospects. Move a good player from a position of strength - someone like Gurriel to really strengthen the bullpen.

You need to show Vlad and Bichette that you’re serious if you want to have any chance of keeping them. How many times can you expect them or your starters to go out and do their things to see games wasted before they just say (frank) it.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jun 17 @ 9:27 AM ET
Used the Kessel deal as a reference. SJ maybe sends a 3rd back.

But Kapanen=Amirov

1st=1st

Kerfoot=Spaling(Kerfoot probably has a bit more value)

Kessel was retained 1.25M

- Santo_44

2 firsts and a 2C for Kane = pass
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jun 17 @ 9:28 AM ET
Would you be ok with Hyman at 4.5 and Foligno at 3?
- gergeswillems

To high for both.

Hyman deserves that but leafs can’t afford him for that. He’s also coming off a leg/knee injury heading into the back half of his career. Could be another David clarkson type player.

Foligno I would do about 2-2.5m same thing getting older and leafs just can’t afford that.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:29 AM ET
2 firsts and a 2C for Kane = pass
- mr.sir

Kerfoot is a 3C.

2 firsts is the price you pay for a top 6 forward with term

PPG player last year, plays nasty and adds a new element to the PP.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 17 @ 9:29 AM ET
500K cap space

Robertson-AM-Marner
E.Kane(5.5M)-JT-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wennberg(2.75M)-Foligno(2.25M)
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Dermott(1.25M)
Sandin-Bogosian(1M)
Liljegren

Campbell
Mrazek(2.75M)

Holl taken in expansion

Used the Kessel deal as a reference

Kane(1.25M) for 2022 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot

- Santo_44

Hopefully The Gull won't see this. 🤣

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Mitchell Marner ($10,903,000) - William Nylander ($6,962,366) - Ilya Mikheyev ($1,645,000) - Jason Spezza ($750,000)
Centre: Auston Matthews ($11,640,250) - John Tavares ($11,000,000) - Alexander Kerfoot ($3,500,000) - Adam Brooks ($725,000)
Left wing: Zach Hyman ($4,500,000) - Nick Foligno ($3,000,000) - Nicholas Robertson ($821,667) - Pierre Engvall ($1,250,000) - Joey Anderson ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: TJ Brodie ($5,000,000) - Justin Holl ($2,000,000) - Zach Bogosian ($1,000,000)
Left: Morgan Rielly ($5,000,000) - Jake Muzzin ($5,625,000) - Rasmus Sandin ($894,167) - Timothy Liljegren ($863,333)

GOALTENDER (2)
Jack Campbell ($1,650,000) - Vitek Vanecek ($716,667)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Phil Kessel ($1,200,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,396,450
Cap Space: $103,550
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jun 17 @ 9:29 AM ET
Hyman maybe depending on the length. Foligno I’d really want to know how hurt he was in the playoffs cause he sure didn’t show me anything.
- Canada Cup

Keefe said he was far from healthy. Plus he missed a couple playoff games so I’m going to go ahead and say he was pretty banged up.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:30 AM ET
Hopefully The Gull won't see this. 🤣

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Mitchell Marner ($10,903,000) - William Nylander ($6,962,366) - Ilya Mikheyev ($1,645,000) - Jason Spezza ($750,000)
Centre: Auston Matthews ($11,640,250) - John Tavares ($11,000,000) - Alexander Kerfoot ($3,500,000) - Adam Brooks ($725,000)
Left wing: Zach Hyman ($4,500,000) - Nick Foligno ($3,000,000) - Nicholas Robertson ($821,667) - Pierre Engvall ($1,250,000) - Joey Anderson ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: TJ Brodie ($5,000,000) - Justin Holl ($2,000,000) - Zach Bogosian ($1,000,000)
Left: Morgan Rielly ($5,000,000) - Jake Muzzin ($5,625,000) - Rasmus Sandin ($894,167) - Timothy Liljegren ($863,333)

GOALTENDER (2)
Jack Campbell ($1,650,000) - Vitek Vanecek ($716,667)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Phil Kessel ($1,200,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,396,450
Cap Space: $103,550

- gergeswillems


Not bad but I dont think they run it back like that
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:31 AM ET
Keefe said he was far from healthy. Plus he missed a couple playoff games so I’m going to go ahead and say he was pretty banged up.
- bryant

CJ said he had a back injury
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:31 AM ET
500K cap space

Robertson-AM-Marner
E.Kane(5.5M)-JT-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wennberg(2.75M)-Foligno(2.25M)
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Dermott(1.25M)
Sandin-Bogosian(1M)
Liljegren

Campbell
Mrazek(2.75M)

Holl taken in expansion

Used the Kessel deal as a reference

Kane(1.25M) for 2022 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot

- Santo_44


If I go with that lineup I switch out Kane and Nylander for Robertson and Marner
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:32 AM ET
Kerfoot is a 3C.

2 firsts is the price you pay for a top 6 forward with term

PPG player last year, plays nasty and adds a new element to the PP.

- Santo_44

one of them is the 32nd pick right?? - so basically a 2nd...
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 17 @ 9:32 AM ET
Not bad but I dont think they run it back like that
- Santo_44

Probably not. I just don't see Dubas blowing it up.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 17 @ 9:34 AM ET
Jays actually have a shot so take it seriously and bring in some serious help. But you don’t have to (frank) with grade A prospects. Move a good player from a position of strength - someone like Gurriel to really strengthen the bullpen.

You need to show Vlad and Bichette that you’re serious if you want to have any chance of keeping them. How many times can you expect them or your starters to go out and do their things to see games wasted before they just say (frank) it.

- Canada Cup


first the jays have control of Vlad for 4 more seasons. they can sign him like the Padres did with Tatis..or drag it out each year until his ufa 2026 when he is 27.

also, Vlad didnt help matters last night by getting thrown out on 3rd in the 9th.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:34 AM ET
If I go with that lineup I switch out Kane and Nylander for Robertson and Marner
- Canada Cup


I'd try anything with a new player.

Think Kane would elevate all their games.

As much as Kadri was an idiot they miss a confident annoying (frank) that's still a good player.

Like that one beer league teammate that starts poop every game...We all say we hate the guy but we love him for making the game interesting.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:35 AM ET
one of them is the 32nd pick right?? - so basically a 2nd...
- 21peter

Exactly

A late first which is usually a B+ prospect.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jun 17 @ 9:35 AM ET
500K cap space

Robertson-AM-Marner
E.Kane(5.5M)-JT-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wennberg(2.75M)-Foligno(2.25M)
Engvall-Brooks-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Dermott(1.25M)
Sandin-Bogosian(1M)
Liljegren

Campbell
Mrazek(2.75M)

Holl taken in expansion

Used the Kessel deal as a reference

Kane(1.25M) for 2022 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot

- Santo_44


That defence needs work big time. I like Kane's game, but he really is an idiot.


mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jun 17 @ 9:37 AM ET
Exactly

A late first which is usually a B+ prospect.

- Santo_44

Already in CBJ 🤷

Not trading 22 1st as well
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 17 @ 9:37 AM ET
That defence needs work big time. I like Kane's game, but he really is an idiot.
- Archaic

The hope is Muzzin carries a partner.

And with a little bit of cap space they can add up space to add a d come deadline since its a huge UFA d class.

And Kane isnt the Kane in Winnipeg anymore...he may be a cocky female dog but think the leafs could use that presence.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:37 AM ET

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
1 min

Hearing the Leafs are working on contract extensions for Thornton and Simmonds, announcement expected early next week.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jun 17 @ 9:38 AM ET
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
1 min

Hearing the Leafs are working on contract extensions for Thornton and Simmonds, announcement expected early next week.

- Symba007

😆
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:39 AM ET
😆
- mr.sir

#experience
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