Jack Eichel is absolutely that great.

However, for the Sabres to get market value for him it would take a team to blow up their entire roster to put them in a similar position the Sabres are in now.

Hence why it’s going to be the Joe Thornton trade 2.0
- Pegullaville

Provably false. The Ducks and Kings have vets that are at the end of their prime. The vets don't want to wait for prospects to grow.

So you don’t think Bob Murray is sitting there thinking that in 12 months Eichel can tell him to Frank off too ?
- Pegullaville

Then you would think he wouldn't be calling inquiring about him. If that's the case, don't call. You know what it's going to cost and Buffalo isn't going to take you're possible scenario and alter their value of the asset.

That would be like me saying that I will pay less for a new car because my wife always hits stuff. The dealer wouldn't care, nor should we.

Then you would think he wouldn't be calling inquiring about him. If that's the case, don't call. You know what it's going to cost and Buffalo isn't going to take you're possible scenario and alter their value of the asset.

That would be like me saying that I will pay less for a new car because my wife always hits stuff. The dealer wouldn't care, nor should we.
- gcomella34

Sabres may be able to pry one of Zegras or Drysdale, or 3rd overall but I have a tough time thinking they will get 2 of the 3.

Sabres may be able to pry one of Zegras or Drysdale, or 3rd overall but I have a tough time thinking they will get 2 of the 3.
- Pegullaville

Hopefully that's where we add to get it done

Let’s say you’re right, & the Ducks are just lying to themselves….

Why do we care?
That’s their problem, not ours
- jdfitz77

Well of course.
The discussion started many pages back, back to my original post that I don't believe Anahiem is really in it to win it...by that meaning gutting their futures to win now. They don't have the roster nor the pipeline. It is GMTM allover again. Of course, if they insist...good for Adams!

The Wild, that makes sense to me. They have a team that came close...Jack could put them over the top with the existing roster. The Kings too, but with some of their prospects ready to graduate..adding Jack into that mix of new young players gets them into the PO's.
Theoretically, those teams aren't subtracting major components from their roster...Jack us a huge add.

The Ducks? 43 pts. Take away their top scorer.
Doesn't add up.
I dont believe they will be willing to do what it takes.

Use them to extract more value for sure..if they want to gut their future..great for the Sabres!

Sabres may be able to pry one of Zegras or Drysdale, or 3rd overall but I have a tough time thinking they will get 2 of the 3.
- Pegullaville

Then I would move on to another call or just keep him.

Hopefully that's where we add to get it done
- Slump Buster

2 out of following - Zegras, Drysdale and #3 for Jack and an extended Risto.

What it is good for?

Absolutely nothin'.
- gcomella34

I like it.
Loved that song back in the day.

Sabres may be able to pry one of Zegras or Drysdale, or 3rd overall but I have a tough time thinking they will get 2 of the 3.
- Pegullaville

Agree they might not, but then you better get two of Comtois, Terry, 2022 1st etc.

Well of course.
The discussion started many pages back, back to my original post that I don't believe Anahiem is really in it to win it...by that meaning gutting their futures to win now. They don't have the roster nor the pipeline. It is GMTM allover again. Of course, if they insist...good for Adams!

The Wild, that makes sense to me. They have a team that came close...Jack could put them over the top with the existing roster. The Kings too, but with some of their prospects ready to graduate..adding Jack into that mix of new young players gets them into the PO's.
Theoretically, those teams aren't subtracting major components from their roster...Jack us a huge add.

The Ducks? 43 pts. Take away their top scorer.
Doesn't add up.
I dont believe they will be willing to do what it takes.

Use them to extract more value for sure..if they want to gut their future..great for the Sabres!
- IonSabres

Well reportedly the Ducks are having conversations with the Sabres on Eichel

Who knows if they’ll get him, but they’re interested

I’m not really into trying to figure out their motivation/justification for going after him

Just glad there’s a bunch of teams that want him
Bc that’s only gonna drive up the price

Provably false. The Ducks and Kings have vets that are at the end of their prime. The vets don't want to wait for prospects to grow.
- Slump Buster

Both of those teams absolutely stink and Eichel won't fix that on his own.

they're at the beginning of rebuilds, not at the end.

If you're the Kings, you're not suddenly a good team if you trade your top prospects for Eichel.

same with the Ducks. If you gut the best prospects you have and add Eichel, you're still going to have a bad team in a couple years.

Both of those teams absolutely stink and Eichel won't fix that on his own.

they're at the beginning of rebuilds, not at the end.

If you're the Kings, you're not suddenly a good team if you trade your top prospects for Eichel.

same with the Ducks. If you gut the best prospects you have and add Eichel, you're still going to have a bad team in a couple years.
- BINGO!

No, no...
Jack would bring like 20 wins to any team, no matter what the trade is.

I do think the Kings would be in better position though..their roster and pipeline is much better.

Both of those teams absolutely stink and Eichel won't fix that on his own.

they're at the beginning of rebuilds, not at the end.

If you're the Kings, you're not suddenly a good team if you trade your top prospects for Eichel.

same with the Ducks. If you gut the best prospects you have and add Eichel, you're still going to have a bad team in a couple years.
- BINGO!

None of that is OUR problem though

Both of those teams absolutely stink and Eichel won't fix that on his own.

they're at the beginning of rebuilds, not at the end.

If you're the Kings, you're not suddenly a good team if you trade your top prospects for Eichel.

same with the Ducks. If you gut the best prospects you have and add Eichel, you're still going to have a bad team in a couple years.
- BINGO!

Honestly if they want to destroy the roster let them it won't be our problem

No, no...
Jack would bring like 20 wins to any team, no matter what the trade is.

I do think the Kings would be in better position though..their roster and pipeline is much better.
- IonSabres

if he adds twenty wins but the team trades away 10 then does it really help them? and why would he want to stay with a team that's just entering a rebuild anyway? Are the ducks any good 5 years from now if they get Eichel but lose Zegras, Terry, a top 3 draft pick? Suddenly they have middling talent today and nothing to surround Jack with going forward.

None of that is OUR problem though
- jdfitz77

Right, but it's your problem if they realize this and decide it's not worth giving all that stuff up to get him.

if he adds twenty wins but the team trades away 10 then does it really help them? and why would he want to stay with a team that's just entering a rebuild anyway? Are the ducks any good 5 years from now if they get Eichel but lose Zegras, Terry, a top 3 draft pick? Suddenly they have middling talent today and nothing to surround Jack with going forward.
- BINGO!

Bingo !

Pun intended

Right, but it's your problem if they realize this and decide it's not worth giving all that stuff up to get him.
- BINGO!

We’ll if & when that happens….
THEN I’ll worry about it

As of now, I’m not sweating it whatsoever

if he adds twenty wins but the team trades away 10 then does it really help them? and why would he want to stay with a team that's just entering a rebuild anyway? Are the ducks any good 5 years from now if they get Eichel but lose Zegras, Terry, a top 3 draft pick? Suddenly they have middling talent today and nothing to surround Jack with going forward.
- BINGO!

Again…. none of that is our problem

And it doesn’t make sense trying to invent reasons we’ll be upset with the return we’ll MAYBE get IF things go bad, etc etc

Not worth worrying about stuff that’s out of our hands

if he adds twenty wins but the team trades away 10 then does it really help them? and why would he want to stay with a team that's just entering a rebuild anyway? Are the ducks any good 5 years from now if they get Eichel but lose Zegras, Terry, a top 3 draft pick? Suddenly they have middling talent today and nothing to surround Jack with going forward.
- BINGO!

First off, I think he was being sarcastic because no player is worth 10 wins let alone 20.

Second, it is never as simple as wins in and wins out in a trade

The entire point of acquiring Eichel vs. letting prospects develop is you are moving unknown quantity for a known quantity.

Also, say you are moving out 3 guys who'd eventually be on the roster for 1 (Eichel).

That's two open roster spots to fill with guys hopefully contributing in the + column of wins above replacment

Sabres may be able to pry one of Zegras or Drysdale, or 3rd overall but I have a tough time thinking they will get 2 of the 3.
- Pegullaville

You don’t get 2 of the 3 you move on….

You don’t get 2 of the 3 you move on….
- Gr8daygo

and do what, exactly? You're just gonna keep him around? Terminate his contract? What's the end game?

oh my


https://www.msn.com/en-us.../ar-AAL98jB?ocid=msedgntp

Again…. none of that is our problem

And it doesn’t make sense trying to invent reasons we’ll be upset with the return we’ll MAYBE get IF things go bad, etc etc

Not worth worrying about stuff that’s out of our hands
- jdfitz77

It's going to be hilarious to see your reaction when the trade happens and you get no where near the BS you've been spouting off about.

oh my


https://www.msn.com/en-us.../ar-AAL98jB?ocid=msedgntp
- homiedclown

Insert obligatory comment to induce 17 pages of political and social back and forth…

Now get off my lawn and go get Ollie at the airport to play 1c…. Wait, 2c. #1cbjustead