Trotz is getting a lot from his players, but it's too soon to blame it on Keefe.
They had a really good regular season and when he took over for Babcock, the Leafs went on a pretty good run the year before..

Against CBJ, we couldn't score enough and lost. Against the Habs, it was, well, I still don't know what it was? Bad luck, maybe?
- PatC80

Bad Coaching, letting your best players be intimidated and having the calvary run away and take loser delay of game penalties? Not so sure. Running into Price accidently on purpose couple of times for 2 minutes could have created a better results than flipping the biscuit over the glass. Maybe?

Isles hook and grab their ways to some playoff wins. they are lucky NHL doesn't make calls in the playoffs.
- RogerRoeper

Hitting is legal. Just because the Leafs love playing no hitters doesn't mean it's wrong to bodycheck an opponent. But like Jimmy Tanner you'll continue lying to yourself living in fantasy land.

Hitting is legal. Just because the Leafs love playing no hitters doesn't mean it's wrong to bodycheck an opponent. But like Jimmy Tanner you'll continue lying to yourself living in fantasy land.
- gergeswillems

They are doing the old Devils mid 90's routine with less talent. They are not that good.

And they were the most talented in the entire NHL. The age doesn't change that fact. Having Hull and Robitaille as bottom 6 forwards made them very old. They were so stacked.
- RogerRoeper

It was always funny to me listening to other teams fans talk about those Red Wings teams. When they won the Cup they were experienced and knew how to win in the playoffs. But when they lost they were called old and washed up and needed to retire.

They are doing the old Devils mid 90's routine with less talent. They are not that good.
- RogerRoeper

Sure. Isles have won more playoff rounds the past 3 years than any other team. Let's not give them any credit at all. If the Leafs were doing this you'd be licking their blue and white nutsacks.

summer talk

Sure. They've won more playoff rounds the past 3 years than any other team. Let's not give them any credit at all.
- gergeswillems

It’s all luck. Leafs would’ve won more if they didn’t lose in the first round/qualifying round.

Bad Coaching, letting your best players be intimidated and having the calvary run away and take loser delay of game penalties? Not so sure. Running into Price accidently on purpose couple of times for 2 minutes could have created a better results than flipping the biscuit over the glass. Maybe?
- winsix

It's not Keefe's fault that Marner was scared..

It's not Keefe's fault that Marner was scared..
- PatC80

In the playoffs, he has the same amount of Puck Over the Glass penalties as he does goals. 10.9M

They are doing the old Devils mid 90's routine with less talent. They are not that good.
- RogerRoeper

I'm starting to wish the Leafs could not be that good.

In the playoffs, he has the same amount of Puck Over the Glass penalties as he does goals. 10.9M
- Steven_Seagull

especially when you're already on the PK.. Why not make it a 2 man advantage, right?
Frikin Marner, probably saw his own shadow and got scared

In the playoffs, he has the same amount of Puck Over the Glass penalties as he does goals. 10.9M
- Steven_Seagull

And that’s the fifth time you’ve made that point

And that’s the fifth time you’ve made that point
- Canada Cup

really hammers it home, doesn't it?

The 2001-02 Red Wings were the oldest team to ever win a Cup. You would've traded 3/4 of the roster.
- gergeswillems

Not entirely sure this is correct. I see quantum hockey has the 1966-67 Leafs team as having an average age of 28, but with Alan Stanley 41, Bower 42, Wiki has them at average 31, which if correct would be the oldest.

And that’s the fifth time you’ve made that point
- Canada Cup

I plead the fifth

It's not Keefe's fault that Marner was scared..
- PatC80

So what is Keefe's job then, if it isn't to get the max out of his players? I don't think Bowman would have given 1st line minutes for lousy performance.

I get the sense that next seasons playoffs will be a make or break season for the big 4..

Maybe, they have identified the wrong core group?
- PatC80

I think the same was said this year.

It's not Keefe's fault that Marner was scared..
- PatC80

Its his fault he didnt really change anything up to protect his players....or alter the play.

Not entirely sure this is correct. I see quantum hockey has the 1966-67 Leafs team as having an average age of 28, but with Alan Stanley 41, Bower 42, Wiki has them at average 31, which if correct would be the oldest.
- winsix

Could be the 67 Leafs. Last season with the Original 6. Didn't have to win nearly as many playoff games back then. I remember the Red Wings having a 4th line of Robitaille-Larionov-Holmstrom in the 2002 SCF. Oh the pre cap days...

So what is Keefe's job then, if it isn't to get the max out of his players? I don't think Bowman would have given 1st line minutes for lousy performance.
- winsix

He would have been fired by Dubas and we’d be in the same boat.

Sure. Isles have won more playoff rounds the past 3 years than any other team. Let's not give them any credit at all. If the Leafs were doing this you'd be licking their blue and white nutsacks.
- gergeswillems

0 cups, 0 finals appearances. Plan the parade!

I'm starting to wish the Leafs could not be that good.
- Leafs43

It would be a lot more fun.

Not good = lots of extra playoffs games and summer fun.

Its his fault he didnt really change anything up to protect his players....or alter the play.
- Fakepartofme

Agree. In structured organizations, the strongest players use failure to learn, adapting and by not repeating mistakes. Columbus intimidated the Leafs, as did the Habs.

0 cups, 0 finals appearances. Plan the parade!
- RogerRoeper

Only 1 team wins Roger.

You talk a big game but you had all 4 finalists losing in the 1st round. 🤦🏻

So what is Keefe's job then, if it isn't to get the max out of his players? I don't think Bowman would have given 1st line minutes for lousy performance.
- winsix

Bowman believed each player had to be coached differently. For example he'd leave Yzerman alone because he was very self motivated. Whereas he'd ride Shanny and want him pi$$ed off. Why? Because Shanny always played his best when he was angry. Bowman would cut his ice time. Make him sit out the odd powerplay. Otherwise he'd float around the perimeter and be invisible.