you're right the flyers are too incompetent to win the cup with just not good enough teams they'll be horrible at a real tank
- 2Real

The Flyers lack the high-end talent required to win a cup if they don’t play a trap system like the Islanders. Even if you watch Vegas they lineup 1-2-2 in a defensive posture.

Unless they somehow get themselves a Kucherov in the second or third round they’re going to have to get a first line or generational player that 99% of the time you only find at the top of the draft.

you're right the flyers are too incompetent to win the cup with just not good enough teams they'll be horrible at a real tank
- 2Real

i dont want them to tank and have to go through that, i like watching the play...sometimes lol
imgaine we tank and get another patrick....man that would set us back even further, thinking we have something good, and not realizing for a couple of years later.
Just wish they would each be more accountable, the mailing it in is so unprofessional, need a pronger type and then go from there

And LINDBLOM WON

Chris Therien on Twitter (regarding Hamilton talking to other teams):

“I remember when guys would take pay cuts to come to the Flyers. Boy, have times changed. We're now excited at 'the possibility' of a guy coming here now.”

The Flyers lack the high-end talent required to win a cup if they don’t play a trap system like the Islanders. Even if you watch Vegas they lineup 1-2-2 in a defensive posture.

Unless they somehow get themselves a Kucherov in the second or third round they’re going to have to get a first line or generational player that 99% of the time you only find at the top of the draft.
- Dave21Brown

The Islanders don't trap. They're a heavy forechecking puck pressure team. Every team situationally plays a 1-2-2 situationally or similar formation such as behind line changes or late in games with a lead. A 1-2-2 forecheck is not the same thing as a trap.

Same as I thought. I was hoping he could be a 3rd line two way center. Unfortunately, he didn't show anything last season. I'm hoping that the team situation really affected him last season. That's just a blind hope at this point. I think his issue in in his head. I don't think he has the confidence in himself physically to play all out.
- MJL

There were times when he would go shotless for weeks. I can't remember the last time I've seen a player of his talent level struggle that bad to have any effect on the game whatsoever. Even Brendl and Daigle weren't that invisible.

Something is definitely up.

Chris Therien on Twitter (regarding Hamilton talking to other teams):

“I remember when guys would take pay cuts to come to the Flyers. Boy, have times changed. We're now excited at 'the possibility' of a guy coming here now.”
- hello it's me 2050

I remember a few Flyers who took paycuts to stay, but I can't remember when they got any discounts in UFA.

I remember a few Flyers who took paycuts to stay, but I can't remember when they got any discounts in UFA.
- Tomahawk

Yea, Timonen, Hartnell, Forsberg, Briere, Roenick. Which guy took a discount?

Yea, Timonen, Hartnell, Forsberg, Briere, Roenick. Which guy took a discount?
- MJL

Where any of those guys around when Therian was playing? Maybe JR .He is probably lying as not like he would have any inside info.

And LINDBLOM WON
- bradster

[quote=Stayin alive]


This is true. There were red flags, but the one everyone focused on was his the hernia/groin injury that he had surgery for. I remember during his year off, the Flyers saying they were aware off his previous issue with migraines and that it was a hereditary issue. Honestly at this point it’s up to Patrick….he’s had every opportunity a player could ask for. If he has another year like last year he may play himself right out the NHL. But to me you can’t teach what skill and talent he has….can he find success? This year will tell us one way or the other.

And LINDBLOM WON
- bradster

Terrific! Oskar being back from cancer is a good thing.

Congrats to Oskar on winning the Masterson award. Well deserved given the circumstances.

Yea, Timonen, Hartnell, Forsberg, Briere, Roenick. Which guy took a discount?
- MJL

MJ.. stop citing facts. The narrative is more important that reality. Everyone knows this.

Where any of those guys around when Therian was playing? Maybe JR .He is probably lying as not like he would have any inside info.
- hello it's me 2050

To be fair Therien was drinking pretty heavily back in his playing days. His recollections might not be so accurate.

The Rangers have Panarin, Trouba, Zbanajad, Buchnevich, Strome, Krieder, and Smith. All 26 years or older. The vets dominate the top ice time getters on the team. Why aren't you advocating for the Rangers to trade some of their older top players. Imagine what they could get for Panarin?
- MJL

I get you guys have your little death dances, but to not acknowledge that the rangers purged a lot of veteran talent with a specific eye for the future is a little disingenuous, if that’s what you’re going for

I get you guys have your little death dances, but to not acknowledge that the rangers purged a lot of veteran talent with a specific eye for the future is a little disingenuous, if that’s what you’re going for
- stayinthefnnet

There isn't anywhere in my post that suggests or implies that the Rangers didn't trade away some vets. So not sure where you're getting that from. You're just making a bad assumption here. My point is that everyone is saying that the Rangers are this young up and coming team, and in some ways that's true. However I make this point and it's clear if you don't just randomly assume something. I mention ice time and how the veteran players are among the leaders in ice time. I looked it up and I think out of the top 12 ice time players on the team, 8 are veteran players if I'm not mistaken. If you follow the conversation along, some are suggesting that the Flyers get rid of the vets and "play the kids". My contention is doing that to the full extent is a mistake. You need that veteran support so you don't push young players too fast. As they develop and take on a bigger bite, you then look and see which vets you can move out. Rather than just an all out purge, you work the young players in and the older players out over a period of time. That is the best way to develop a team and develop young players. It's part of the reason why the Flyers should re-sign Couturier

There isn't anywhere in my post that suggests or implies that the Rangers didn't trade away some vets. So not sure where you're getting that from. You're just making a bad assumption here. My point is that everyone is saying that the Rangers are this young up and coming team, and in some ways that's true. However I make this point and it's clear if you don't just randomly assume something. I mention ice time and how the veteran players are among the leaders in ice time. I looked it up and I think out of the top 12 ice time players on the team, 8 are veteran players if I'm not mistaken. If you follow the conversation along, some are suggesting that the Flyers get rid of the vets and "play the kids". My contention is doing that to the full extent is a mistake. You need that veteran support so you don't push young players too fast. As they develop and take on a bigger bite, you then look and see which vets you can move out. Rather than just an all out purge, you work the young players in and the older players out over a period of time. That is the best way to develop a team and develop young players. It's part of the reason why the Flyers should re-sign Couturier
- MJL

Rangers got a little luck on their side too with how they turned things around. One sided dumb trade by Ottawa shipping out Z. Adam Fox pretty much made it known he only wanted to play in NYR because he was a fan. Panarin wanted to be in New York City, too. Trouba wanted the big market + area for his wife’s med school. Then they win #2 and #1 pick.

There isn't anywhere in my post that suggests or implies that the Rangers didn't trade away some vets. So not sure where you're getting that from. You're just making a bad assumption here. My point is that everyone is saying that the Rangers are this young up and coming team, and in some ways that's true. However I make this point and it's clear if you don't just randomly assume something. I mention ice time and how the veteran players are among the leaders in ice time. I looked it up and I think out of the top 12 ice time players on the team, 8 are veteran players if I'm not mistaken. If you follow the conversation along, some are suggesting that the Flyers get rid of the vets and "play the kids". My contention is doing that to the full extent is a mistake. You need that veteran support so you don't push young players too fast. As they develop and take on a bigger bite, you then look and see which vets you can move out. Rather than just an all out purge, you work the young players in and the older players out over a period of time. That is the best way to develop a team and develop young players. It's part of the reason why the Flyers should re-sign Couturier
- MJL

I agree they should resign couts, who do you think they should move on from from a talent standpoint and part of a culture change.

I agree they should resign couts, who do you think they should move on from from a talent standpoint and part of a culture change.
- bradster

The player I would most like to move on from is Voracek. The issue there is I don't think they can do that without taking salary back in some form, if they can even do that. Voracek is good offensively but overall is not a good hockey player. The issue is they need to replace that offense. I look at the mix of the first PP and Giroux is the QB and he is a playmaker. Voracek on the other side is a playmaker if they're on the same unit. That makes it easier to defend if there isn't a shooter on either wing. Especially if Provorov is on the point. At 5 on 5, the Flyers need more players who drive the net and get into the scoring areas. All season long whether it's on a dump in and retrieval in a cycle or a carry in, the puck carrier is looking for a play, and there is nobody in the dangerous scoring areas. Nobody heading to the net. It's an empty space with no Flyers in the middle of the ice. Need a better blend of forwards. More straight forward shoot and drive the net players offensively. Allison is a player who came in and did that. He went to the net in the small sample of games he played. I saying, why can't other players do that! Go to the stinkin net!

I think these comments from Oskar Lindblom are important to know and that after a good off season of workouts and training, I think we'll see the real Oskar Lindblom again.

"Just to get back from losing all the muscles when you start playing again and you feel like you're not really there, it's a tough time to get around, then it starts to hit you mentally as well and you feel tired all the time, so last season was a battle for me"

If he didn't miss so much time pre-draft, I think the book on him would have been a bit more complete. Even then, for 18-yos, you just assume they'll keep getting better and better.

Personally, if I were a scout, I'd be especially wary of anybody who's already basically in their adult body pre-draft. It distorts so much.



His skating has always had that weird hunched-over thing that kinda took away from his speed. He's not slow, tho. Just not fast/shifty enough to beat anybody w/ his legs at this level.



Never said Patrick was a sniper, nor one-dimensional. Patrick can't score from distance, Laine can. Patrick tries to do the work without the puck, Laine doesn't even bother half the time. Fundamentally different players with different flaws, even if they both get criticized for not going to the net enough.

Laine is not somebody you can win with, IMO. NP, if he gets his poop together, I think he can be an important cog still.

I do have a bias toward overlooked/underrated finesse forwards. Not gonna argue that.
- Tomahawk

Can’t win with Laine? He scored 11 goals in a week a few years ago. That’s full season for nopa. Just sayin

There isn't anywhere in my post that suggests or implies that the Rangers didn't trade away some vets. So not sure where you're getting that from. You're just making a bad assumption here. My point is that everyone is saying that the Rangers are this young up and coming team, and in some ways that's true. However I make this point and it's clear if you don't just randomly assume something. I mention ice time and how the veteran players are among the leaders in ice time. I looked it up and I think out of the top 12 ice time players on the team, 8 are veteran players if I'm not mistaken. If you follow the conversation along, some are suggesting that the Flyers get rid of the vets and "play the kids". My contention is doing that to the full extent is a mistake. You need that veteran support so you don't push young players too fast. As they develop and take on a bigger bite, you then look and see which vets you can move out. Rather than just an all out purge, you work the young players in and the older players out over a period of time. That is the best way to develop a team and develop young players. It's part of the reason why the Flyers should re-sign Couturier
- MJL

Surely go to coots and tell him your theory about ice time for vets vs young guys. You want to know his response? I’ll save you the drama 8 years 72 mil. You absolutely DO NOT resign coots. Sure if he’ll take 3 year 9 mil. Other wise you can go sign a vet for way less years and way less money to do exactly what you’re saying about ice time. Coots at 29 years old with 10 years on the body is looking for last night contract. You sign him you’ll be severely regretting that deal in a few years and be right back in same boat as not with g Jake. Such a dumb status quo move. Move the asset now.

Surely go to coots and tell him your theory about ice time for vets vs young guys. You want to know his response? I’ll save you the drama 8 years 72 mil. You absolutely DO NOT resign coots. Sure if he’ll take 3 year 9 mil. Other wise you can go sign a vet for way less years and way less money to do exactly what you’re saying about ice time. Coots at 29 years old with 10 years on the body is looking for last night contract. You sign him you’ll be severely regretting that deal in a few years and be right back in same boat as not with g Jake. Such a dumb status quo move. Move the asset now.
- Stayin alive

Personally,
I think your idea of how to draft, develop, and trade for a team comes from fantasy land. Judging by your ID you’re a bgees fan as well. Maybe we wait & see how the summer plays out with the young kids still intact before we anoint Hello (who doesn’t seem to know much about anything) the new GM

Chris Therien on Twitter (regarding Hamilton talking to other teams):

“I remember when guys would take pay cuts to come to the Flyers. Boy, have times changed. We're now excited at 'the possibility' of a guy coming here now.”
- hello it's me 2050

How many players are taking discounts these days? Ones that aren't benefitting from it. Players take less in Tampa because they dont have to pay as much if any tax.

Most players want to be paid these days. None of the stars in TOR took paycuts to go there, Panarin didnt take a paycut to go to the Rangers, Price didnt take a paycut to stay in MTL, Toews and Kane didnt take paycuts. These are other examples of big market teams where players are signing for $$