Your judgment is clouded by the half of a season he played well.
- ClaudeFather

Compared to a 56 game schedule with a severely condensed schedule?

The bean counters are gonna cling to $ maker idea of #2 overall pick nopa as long as they can. Bust or not does not matter
- Stayin alive

Or you know people are patient with young players. People called B.Schenn and Couturier busts too but it just took time. They didnt break out until their mid 20s

Frost and Patrick are the same age. Patrick showed flashes this year. He wasnt able to bury a lot of his chances but they were still there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

flashes of what?

Compared to a 56 game schedule with a severely condensed schedule?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yea the 36 games you speak of from two years ago is really holding up!

flashes of what?
- bradster

Being non existent for entire games

Being non existent for entire games
- ClaudeFather

Oh he has that down pat. I really hope he can turn into a mid 40s point player, i havent given up hope.

Yea the 36 games you speak of from two years ago is really holding up!
- ClaudeFather

If you just look at NAKs stats, its a surprise he got called up at all. They just needed some physicality

Or you know people are patient with young players. People called B.Schenn and Couturier busts too but it just took time. They didnt break out until their mid 20s
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I’ll give you that. But coots kinda bad example as he at least was pretty good defensively. He brought something to the table. Nopa just looks 🤮

Funny how people say Hextall was bad at drafting. He has had quite a few successful picks including:

Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Morgan Frost
Joel Farabee
NAK
Travis Sanheim
Carter Hart
Oskar Lindblom

Not to mention a few names were are excited to see make the NHL

Wade Allison
Issac Ratcliffe
Felix Sandstrom
Noah Cates
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

lol Nolan Patrick

WOW....the Flyers have never had a Calder Trophy winner, they started giving out that trophy in the 1932/33 season
- DraftandDestroy

Blame the NY media. Bill Barber should have one it and so should have Mikael Renberg. But there were good rookies on NY area teams each of those years.

If you just look at NAKs stats, its a surprise he got called up at all. They just needed some physicality
- bradster

They had numerous injuries and he was pretty much the last option. Think at least 5 others given a shot before him. He didn't earn it at all. Kudos to him for making the most out of it and getting a 2 year contract.

Blame the NY media. Bill Barber should have one it and so should have Mikael Renberg. But there were good rookies on NY area teams each of those years.
- backfire

Hexy should have won, too.

Hexy should have won, too.
- Tomahawk

Arguable. Luc Robitaille scored 45 goals and had 84 pts that season.

Not necessarily, though, right? One may define success as more than just beating the average, which is what you used as the benchmark.
- PT21

No, he didn't use the average. LOL. The percentage of players that make it to the NHL out of all the players in junior level leagues is very small.

You are right of course about criteria. But we can impose a bit more granularity. Rank all these players picked in a certain draft position over the last 30 years (say) by performance, not just participation (which is what you were implicitly doing).

Then see how the percentiles stack up (like maybe the top 10% of #7 picks made all star, the top 25% made it to first pairing/top line, and top 50% made it to NHL starter). Then give an A+ for first category, A for second, respectively, and so on.

Something like that?
- PT21

As usual, overcomplicating it. With the exception of maybe first round picks, any pick making it as an NHL regular is a good pick. First round picks need a some nuance. For example, if Patrick winds up as a bottom 6 role player in the league, the pick is still a disappointment.

Ghost won it in my eyes. Panarin had Pro experience. Just in another country.
- arichardson22

Gostisbehere also had pro experience before making it to the Flyers.

Arguable. Luc Robitaille scored 45 goals and had 84 pts that season.
- MBFlyerfan

Hexy led the league in SV% and wins, played the most games/minutes, made almost 200 more saves than anybody else, won the Vezina + Smythe.

Luc had a nice season, but there were dmen who were scoring 80-90 pts that year.

And Hexy got some love in the Hart voting, while Luc didn't, which made him losing the Calder to Luc even more frustrating.

Well, I was merely pointing out your measure isn't the only one.

More importantly, I tend to notice that in the Flyers fan base, the decades of not winning has led to a certainly satisfaction/acceptance with 'beating the average.' People point to this team and that and say, well, at least we are not that. They rarely point to the teams at the other end of the spectrum and ask: gee, how come we are not there?
- PT21

Making something said into something it's not. The discussion of judging a draft pick and whether it is a successful pick is not tied into being a Flyers fan.

He had a handful of games where he was more noticeable, but not much more than that. The bar has been set so low that just being around the net with the puck within reach is considered progress for him.

It's embarrassing just how much more Wade Allison has shown n a dozen games than NP's showed in 4-years here.
- Tomahawk

Well said right there.

No, he didn't use the average. LOL. The percentage of players that make it to the NHL out of all the players in junior level leagues is very small.
- MJL

Right, lets say its 20% for that position. Assign 1 if the pick makes it, 0 not, so expected value for a pick would be 0.2. More of Hexy's picks made it than not, so their average is >0.5>0.2=average.

As usual, overcomplicating it. With the exception of maybe first round picks, any pick making it as an NHL regular is a good pick. First round picks need a some nuance. For example, if Patrick winds up as a bottom 6 role player in the league, the pick is still a disappointment.
- MJL

Which is exactly what I said, by conditioning the grading of the picks on performance and draft position.

We’re getting Reinhardt today per ek

We’re getting Reinhardt today per ek
- Stayin alive

sam or griffin

The bean counters are gonna cling to $ maker idea of #2 overall pick nopa as long as they can. Bust or not does not matter
- Stayin alive

The thing is, people need to re-calibrate their expectations, or at least, whether NoPa belongs on Flyers roster.

It seems to me that for short term non ELC contracts at least, a player's current AAV is the best benchmark for judging performance, not draft position. The issue is no longer whether NP can justify his selection position. That ship may have sailed. The issue is whether he justifies his pay in light of performance and potential, and I think he does.

Here compassion and good hockey management may coincide. It often does not.

Frost and Patrick are the same age. Patrick showed flashes this year. He wasnt able to bury a lot of his chances but they were still there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When?