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- ClaudeFather

It can be both.
- hello it's me 2050

Considering you have the second overall pick, to pick any kid in the world of seven billion people, you kind of expect to get a top line forward or a top pairing defenseman. So yes, Patrick's been a disappointment on both levels.

When you look at that draft though, there appears to only be four kids that've risen to that level, thus far. Pettersson, Hischeir, Makar & Heiskanen. Three of those kids were taken in consecutive picks right after Patrick, which makes it even more hurtful. Two of them, Pettersson & Makar, won the Calder Trophy.

When you miss at the very top of the draft it can set the franchise back

One of the many disappointing things about this season is it ended too early. Even after Flyers kinda righted the ship, they got 20 points in their last 21 games (all the games in April, iotw). That is much less than their season average, which is 0.518. They were trending downwards. If the season had continued to its usual 82 games, they likely would have picked top 9.

At least Frost has shown flashes though, this past season really would have shown us a better picture but it is what it is. Hopefully he is ready to go next year.
- ClaudeFather

Agree, at least Frost put up some decent numbers in the AHL and he's at least skated with the big club. He's still got time on his side.

Funny how people say Hextall was bad at drafting. He has had quite a few successful picks including:

Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Morgan Frost
Joel Farabee
NAK
Travis Sanheim
Carter Hart
Oskar Lindblom

Not to mention a few names were are excited to see make the NHL

Wade Allison
Issac Ratcliffe
Felix Sandstrom
Noah Cates
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Dont forget Tanner Lacynski. he's going to be our new Raffl

Dont forget Tanner Lacynski. he's going to be our new Raffl
- juiced

Resign Raffle. Bring the band back together.

WOW....the Flyers have never had a Calder Trophy winner, they started giving out that trophy in the 1932/33 season

NAK lol, no. He’s had some good picks, specifically the sanheim and TK selections, for mid to late firsts those were great. The top 10 of Provys draft was can’t miss outside of Zacha and to some extent strome. Carter Hart too. Book still out on all those other guys, the NP one hurts, not all on him but geez , what a blunder.
- ClaudeFather

NAK is a good bottom 6 player. Your judgement is clouded by the poor season he had last year

Well, in order to reach a consensus we must at some point settle on a criteria that is fair across all teams.

Of course some teams will be picking higher and higher picks have a better chance of playing.

So in order for it to be fair to all 31 GM's, actually playing in the NHL seems to be the fairest way to determine if you picked successfully. After all isn't that the whole point of making the picks? To get players who will play for your team?
- MBFlyerfan

You are right of course about criteria. But we can impose a bit more granularity. Rank all these players picked in a certain draft position over the last 30 years (say) by performance, not just participation (which is what you were implicitly doing).

Then see how the percentiles stack up (like maybe the top 10% of #7 picks made all star, the top 25% made it to first pairing/top line, and top 50% made it to NHL starter). Then give an A+ for first category, A for second, respectively, and so on.

Something like that?

WOW....the Flyers have never had a Calder Trophy winner, they started giving out that trophy in the 1932/33 season
- DraftandDestroy

Ghost won it in my eyes. Panarin had Pro experience. Just in another country.

NAK is a good bottom 6 player. Your judgement is clouded by the poor season he had last year
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Last season he played more than half of his career nhl games, what should be base it on? He is a decent 4th line player, that's a far as i would stretch it. He is replaceable

NAK is a good bottom 6 player. Your judgement is clouded by the poor season he had last year
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Your judgment is clouded by the half of a season he played well.

Last season he played more than half of his career nhl games, what should be base it on? He is a decent 4th line player, that's a far as i would stretch it. He is replaceable
- bradster

Never seen a guy take so many dumb penalties

NAK is a good bottom 6 player. Your judgement is clouded by the poor season he had last year
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

NAK had a nice short sample size run last year. Like many players before him. Took advantage of the opportunity he was given.

This year the clock hit midnight and he played like the 12/13th forward he really is at the NHL level. That isn't a good bottom 6 player.

Wont be shocked in the least if he is waived or traded before the season at this point. Only thing in his favor is a cheap contract to be the 13th forward.

At least Frost has shown flashes though, this past season really would have shown us a better picture but it is what it is. Hopefully he is ready to go next year.
- ClaudeFather

Frost and Patrick are the same age. Patrick showed flashes this year. He wasnt able to bury a lot of his chances but they were still there.

Ghost won it in my eyes. Panarin had Pro experience. Just in another country.
- arichardson22

Thing is though, that is somewhat letter of the award and not spirit. In hindsight, it is clear that Panarin was the worthy winner of those 2. He was by far the best of the nominees.

Big EDIT: I see McDavid was the 2nd runner up. NVM. To use my condition, it should have been McDavid.

Come to think of it, my original post above makes no sense. To make judgments about how careers eventually turned out is not the intention of the trophy. I retract it!

At least Frost has shown flashes though, this past season really would have shown us a better picture but it is what it is. Hopefully he is ready to go next year.
- ClaudeFather

Frost and Patrick are the same age. Patrick showed flashes this year. He wasnt able to bury a lot of his chances but they were still there.

You are right of course about criteria. But we can impose a bit more granularity. Rank all these players picked in a certain draft position over the last 30 years (say) by performance, not just participation (which is what you were implicitly doing).

Then see how the percentiles stack up (like maybe the top 10% of #7 picks made all star, the top 25% made it to first pairing/top line, and top 50% made it to NHL starter). Then give an A+ for first category, A for second, respectively, and so on.

Something like that?
- PT21

Knock yourself out.

Ghost won it in my eyes. Panarin had Pro experience. Just in another country.
- arichardson22

If that were a disqualifier, no Euro would ever win the Calder. OV, Foppa, Pettersson, Alfie, Teemu, Geno, Bure, etc all played multiple pro seasons at home before crossing over.

Edit: Auston Matthews too. He played a full year in the Swiss league.

Knock yourself out.
- MBFlyerfan

Well, I was merely pointing out your measure isn't the only one.

More importantly, I tend to notice that in the Flyers fan base, the decades of not winning has led to a certainly satisfaction/acceptance with 'beating the average.' People point to this team and that and say, well, at least we are not that. They rarely point to the teams at the other end of the spectrum and ask: gee, how come we are not there?

Never seen a guy take so many dumb penalties
- ClaudeFather

Rinaldo….
Downie

I wouldn’t quite give up on ruby just yet. Taking into account the injuries and people might not be aware of his fortnite gaming addiction after being drafted. Lost a lot of development time the first couple years. But if he’s matured and can stay healthy he could still be something. Obviously not talking some star potential but bottom 6 key role player. Not by any means saying I expect it but just not giving up yet. Although I admit if he doesn’t make a humongous big jump this year I’m willing to cross to the cut bait side of arguement

Frost and Patrick are the same age. Patrick showed flashes this year. He wasnt able to bury a lot of his chances but they were still there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He had a handful of games where he was more noticeable, but not much more than that. The bar has been set so low that just being around the net with the puck within reach is considered progress for him.

It's embarrassing just how much more Wade Allison has shown n a dozen games than NP's showed in 4-years here.

Also still waiting for mjl to offer up some way to obtain “needed” high draft picks since he neither suppports a tank to get them or trade assets such as coots who should “absolutely be resigned “

Also looking for nopa pre draft dated articles on his migraine condition.

He had a handful of games where he was more noticeable, but not much more than that. The bar has been set so low that just being around the net with the puck within reach is considered progress for him.

It's embarrassing just how much more Wade Allison has showed in a dozen games than NP's showed in 4-years here.
- Tomahawk

The bean counters are gonna cling to $ maker idea of #2 overall pick nopa as long as they can. Bust or not does not matter