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kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jun 15 @ 2:28 PM ET
Take this with a huge grain of salt considering the lack of confirmed sources but this rumor showed up on my Twitter feed. I don't read anything by Barstool but again, their post was retweeted by others I subscribe to.

The rumor is Nylander "went rogue with his surgery and rehab" and Hawks brass is pissed off thus trying to trade him. I don't know how you go rogue with surgery as I would imagine the team doctor has to authorize and monitor that closely.

Same with rehab but that seems easier to cheat on. Don't know how you lie about surgery.

To their credit Barstool also admitted to take that rumor with a grain of salt, too.

Likely nothing but garbage but interesting nonetheless.

- Theo Fox


also mention that mitchell could be moved for a vet D. the problem is people only trade VET d who are no good like dehaan or maata. he mentions he does not think nylander and Zad will be back and he thinks Jones before hamilton. so basically everything I did not want. I wanted Nylander to be healthy and see if he is a top 9 guy and if a full year and off season might help ZAD in the system. both guys have almost not value so trading them is not going to return anything. I would prefer hamilton over jones would cost less asset wise if any.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 15 @ 2:29 PM ET
I'm with you as long as they aim high enough. I'd rather they look at guys who have at least proven they can be productive in the league instead of "potential". The Hawks have a ton of D prospects. They simply are not all going to make the big roster, by numbers alone. If they can utilize some of them as well as some potential cap space to get an actual good player, that would be the route I take.
- Chunk

Agreed I want a real player as well, we have yet to hit on the Strome, Perlini, Nylander, Quenneville, Borgstrom tbd, moves and I would not want Joki or Schmaltz back. It just goes to show "until you are a real player" all prospects are suspects.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
Take this with a huge grain of salt considering the lack of confirmed sources but this rumor showed up on my Twitter feed. I don't read anything by Barstool but again, their post was retweeted by others I subscribe to.

The rumor is Nylander "went rogue with his surgery and rehab" and Hawks brass is pissed off thus trying to trade him. I don't know how you go rogue with surgery as I would imagine the team doctor has to authorize and monitor that closely.

Same with rehab but that seems easier to cheat on. Don't know how you lie about surgery.

To their credit Barstool also admitted to take that rumor with a grain of salt, too.

Likely nothing but garbage but interesting nonetheless.

- Theo Fox

I am pretty sure a player in any sport can go to the doctor of their choice. For years, it was Frank Jobe in baseball and there was a certain knee doctor in football. I don't think the NHL is different. That said, the Hawks can still be pissed at him. Remember the Bulls doctor got the Luol Deng diagnosis wrong and then he went outside.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
I'm with you as long as they aim high enough. I'd rather they look at guys who have at least proven they can be productive in the league instead of "potential". The Hawks have a ton of D prospects. They simply are not all going to make the big roster, by numbers alone. If they can utilize some of them as well as some potential cap space to get an actual good player, that would be the route I take.
- Chunk


Last year some big name free agents, Taylor Hall and Mike Hoffman come to mind, settled for a one year contract because no team wanted to commit long term in this flat cap world.

I doubt if Bowman wants to deal with the Saad camp again, but what if no team offers him the long term deal he probably desires? Sign him and Hoffman for a year, hope they put up decent numbers and flip them at the TDL. Might get quite a haul. Then use whatever draft capital and prospects added to the stable to facilitate trades for top players to accelerate the rebuild. Add a quality free agent or two to the mix and it won't take 5 years to reach the playoffs.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
Hawks add a 6’3” 198 lb Euro named Jakub Pour on a two-year entry level deal.

12 goals and 4 assists on the year and was a former teammate of Kubalik.

Sounds like more depth for the bottom six.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
Last year some big name free agents, Taylor Hall and Mike Hoffman come to mind, settled for a one year contract because no team wanted to commit long term in this flat cap world.

I doubt if Bowman wants to deal with the Saad camp again, but what if no team offers him the long term deal he probably desires? Sign him and Hoffman for a year, hope they put up decent numbers and flip them at the TDL. Might get quite a haul. Then use whatever draft capital and prospects added to the stable to facilitate trades for top players to accelerate the rebuild. Add a quality free agent or two to the mix and it won't take 5 years to reach the playoffs.

- boilermaker100


Although Taylor Hall had a lousy year, he would probably be more coveted than Saad. He basically told Boston he will sign for whatever. That will drive down Saad's price some.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 15 @ 2:54 PM ET
Hawks add a 6’3” 198 lb Euro named Jakub Pour on a two-year entry level deal.

12 goals and 4 assists on the year and was a former teammate of Kubalik.

Sounds like more depth for the bottom six.

- TommyHawk


Sounds like depth for Rockford/Indy, but if I trust any eyes, I trust the Hawks euro scouts.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 15 @ 2:55 PM ET
Sounds like depth for Rockford/Indy, but if I trust any eyes, I trust the Hawks euro scouts.
- LAHawk

Don’t envision him on the team next year either but crazier things have happened.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 15 @ 2:56 PM ET
With all the talk about where the Hawks are and what they should or should not be doing, I though this an apropos quote to remind everyone that winning is hard in the NHL.

MacKinnon: "I'm going into my ninth year next year and haven't won s*it."

- Chunk


Excellent point. The Hawks were exceptionally good for a long time, and we were extremely fortunate to have experienced that run.

Regarding MacKinnon, I believe his time will come; and I admire how not winning yet pisses him off.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
Little slow this afternoon so I’ll ask to the masses - if every player in the league was readily attainable for a fair package, who would you try to target for this team and what would you be willing to give up?
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
also mention that mitchell could be moved for a vet D. the problem is people only trade VET d who are no good like dehaan or maata. he mentions he does not think nylander and Zad will be back and he thinks Jones before hamilton. so basically everything I did not want. I wanted Nylander to be healthy and see if he is a top 9 guy and if a full year and off season might help ZAD in the system. both guys have almost not value so trading them is not going to return anything. I would prefer hamilton over jones would cost less asset wise if any.
- kmw4631

I agree on big Z he is relatively young for a D man and adds something the Hawks are very short on . A D with Stillman Zadorov Murphy on it gives us some grit anyway .Send Boqvist to the A for 40 games or more he needs a confidence boost .Keith Kalynuk and Beaudin / Mitchell can fill in the rest . Nylander to me is a dead end watching his brother in TO gave me hope as he has been better ,but watching him in the playoff almost jump over the boards to avoid body contact makes me think it not in the Nylander boys DNA to play playoff hockey .
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
Hawks add a 6’3” 198 lb Euro named Jakub Pour on a two-year entry level deal.

12 goals and 4 assists on the year and was a former teammate of Kubalik.

Sounds like more depth for the bottom six.

- TommyHawk


Last year we signed Pius Suter and after a while we learned his first name is not pronounced like the Popes, but like Puice.

So how is Pour pronounced?

Like Pour me a shot?
Or like my Pour was out last night during the storm?
Probably neither. We'll find out I guess.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
Last year we signed Pius Suter and after a while we learned his first name is not pronounced like the Popes, but like Puice.

So how is Pour pronounced?

Like Pour me a shot?
Or like my Pour was out last night during the storm?
Probably neither. We'll find out I guess.

- boilermaker100


No matter how it is pronounced, Foley will make it sound like "Bruce"
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:23 PM ET
Yeah, I think there are several reasons to thinks the Habs easily beat the current Hawk roster in a playoff series, most being the ones that worked in their favor against the "weak" teams they played.

Really good smart defenseman with size and tempered physicality,
Philipp Danault, strong in the dot and excellent both ways.
(you look past the goals stats and just see the positives, doesn't take much eyeball research.)
Their smaller forwards are ones that don't go tail between the legs when they go in and win board battles. (we need to see that from most of our newbies, not just Hagel.

They have a real NHL goaltender road tested elite.
It is difficult to envision a team winning Lord Stanley's cup w/o an elite backstop, or a goaler who is one in the 20 odd playoff games.
I guess I am happy for the hawks that the Finn worked out in the small division league, it basically relaxes panic mode to have to overpay and lure one to Chicago.

I am not gonna predict playoff success at this point when the traffic and speed is MUCH more and I just saw a year of his play in the home plate area and I thought results were "mixed."

and while we are at it...who is OUR Josh Anderson?
The guy is flying, pounding.
It just seems like that besides experience Corey Perry & Eric Staal (on the fourth line)they have a ton a guys that play both ways. Perry and Staal are not quick afoot as they were, but they bring more dimensions.

Granted Toffoli signed in the right place and added a lot, but I look at their three 20 year olds and they aren't shying away from competition.

The hawks aren't ready to be a surprise final four team.
Their surprise was not finishing next to the Red Wings in the standings and behind the weakened by injury Stars, and late to the party Press.

- wiz1901


Yeah, I'm not sure how one figures that a team that beat the Leaves and the Jets would lose to the Hawks.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 15 @ 3:25 PM ET
Last year some big name free agents, Taylor Hall and Mike Hoffman come to mind, settled for a one year contract because no team wanted to commit long term in this flat cap world.

I doubt if Bowman wants to deal with the Saad camp again, but what if no team offers him the long term deal he probably desires? Sign him and Hoffman for a year, hope they put up decent numbers and flip them at the TDL. Might get quite a haul. Then use whatever draft capital and prospects added to the stable to facilitate trades for top players to accelerate the rebuild. Add a quality free agent or two to the mix and it won't take 5 years to reach the playoffs.

- boilermaker100

Saad wasn't worth much as a non rental.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 15 @ 3:30 PM ET
Some additional Pour news.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...-blackhawks.html#ref=home
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:31 PM ET
They need one, better if two top six forwards whom not necessarily the big scoring superstar fast type, just talented enough to advance top six BUT MUST BE WILLING AND ABLE TO PLAY CYCLE GAME/BOARDS. We have checking boards type capable bottom line candidates maybe in spades if each works out. They can help forge four strong lines. But the preresiquate for top two lines (I mentioned above) is most likely coming from the draft and not likely through trades. If you always draft the best talent available, you may never or will be years before you get the sort of players you need (need vs best available strategy) on top two lines.

That being said, ideally I want two of those type then maybe a Guenther type would be more ideal than Kubalik. It would all come together too if Dach becomes the type player we want him to become.
stonefire
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Prague
Joined: 10.22.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:31 PM ET

So how is Pour pronounced?

- boilermaker100


Similar to Cole, Role, Sole or Mole. Like E. A. Poe, just add the R (exactly as in Door) at the end. Easy?

I do not recall to see him play at all, but recently he often popped out during various discussions like some to watch out for, to be in line for a break out year. I was looking forward to follow him more closely and expected him to push for a spot on the National Team in couple years. He took a different path and I would not expected much from him at first. Once he gets comfortable, maybe there is something there, offensively. Good luck!
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 15 @ 3:34 PM ET
Saad wasn't worth much as a non rental.
- rpeters01


I would think his value to a contender would go up at the TDL, factoring in his reputation as "just the type of player you need in the playoffs" which was definitely realized in his recent performance.

Bowman won't sign him anyway.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 15 @ 3:34 PM ET
Little slow this afternoon so I’ll ask to the masses - if every player in the league was readily attainable for a fair package, who would you try to target for this team and what would you be willing to give up?
- TommyHawk


Not to sound too harsh, but whoever the Hawks would pursue, I don't think their package would be big enough.

If I'm making a wish list:
Stone
Both Tkachuks
Aho
E. Petterson
Ovi for one year (just because)
Makar
Hedman
Ekblad
zm333
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.25.2018

Jun 15 @ 3:36 PM ET
Take this with a huge grain of salt considering the lack of confirmed sources but this rumor showed up on my Twitter feed. I don't read anything by Barstool but again, their post was retweeted by others I subscribe to.

The rumor is Nylander "went rogue with his surgery and rehab" and Hawks brass is pissed off thus trying to trade him. I don't know how you go rogue with surgery as I would imagine the team doctor has to authorize and monitor that closely.

Same with rehab but that seems easier to cheat on. Don't know how you lie about surgery.

To their credit Barstool also admitted to take that rumor with a grain of salt, too.

Likely nothing but garbage but interesting nonetheless.

- Theo Fox



I wouldn’t hate to see Nylander attached to Connolley or DeHaan to get Seattle to select them next month.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:39 PM ET
Hawks add a 6’3” 198 lb Euro named Jakub Pour on a two-year entry level deal.

12 goals and 4 assists on the year and was a former teammate of Kubalik.

Sounds like more depth for the bottom six.

- TommyHawk


They can always bring in McLaughlin from his AHL contract. So they have an extra contract per organization amount allowed


Bowman would be prudent not to bring in just any prospect. I hope this Pour will play boards and is skilled enough to play in top 6.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:41 PM ET
Similar to Cole, Role, Sole or Mole. Like E. A. Poe, just add the R (exactly as in Door) at the end. Easy?

I do not recall to see him play at all, but recently he often popped out during various discussions like some to watch out for, to be in line for a break out year. I was looking forward to follow him more closely and expected him to push for a spot on the National Team in couple years. He took a different path and I would not expected much from him at first. Once he gets comfortable, maybe there is something there, offensively. Good luck!

- stonefire


Sounds like AHL for one year.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 15 @ 3:43 PM ET
Similar to Cole, Role, Sole or Mole. Like E. A. Poe, just add the R (exactly as in Door) at the end. Easy?

I do not recall to see him play at all, but recently he often popped out during various discussions like some to watch out for, to be in line for a break out year. I was looking forward to follow him more closely and expected him to push for a spot on the National Team in couple years. He took a different path and I would not expected much from him at first. Once he gets comfortable, maybe there is something there, offensively. Good luck!

- stonefire

Thanks as always for your intel on European players.

This is from my own Twitter account:

Not many scouting reports on Jakub Pour. Gut reaction: he's the next Dennis Rasmussen, okay in the bottom 6 but a dime a dozen.

Or he's like Czech mate and #Blackhawks prospect Matej Chalupa who had a disappointing year in Rockford. Few brilliant flashes but a non factor mostly.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 15 @ 3:51 PM ET
Thanks as always for your intel on European players.

This is from my own Twitter account:

Not many scouting reports on Jakub Pour. Gut reaction: he's the next Dennis Rasmussen, okay in the bottom 6 but a dime a dozen.

Or he's like Czech mate and #Blackhawks prospect Matej Chalupa who had a disappointing year in Rockford. Few brilliant flashes but a non factor mostly.

- Theo Fox


Is it time for the Hawks to drop the Chalupa?
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