Yes. Because leverage and lower body strength are far more important than being a big beefy boy.
This is why a 40 year old Sidney Crosby will still be absolutely capable of clowning Logan Stanley behind the net with 1 hand on his stick
- Rexypoo

And the 40 year old Corey Perry's of the league will still be muscling their way past the Sam Girard's of the league with ease.

As we close in on the Seattle entry draft this is what I would do if I was Chevy

1) Ask Wheeler to waive so we can expose him. No way Seattle takes that contract. That solves the forward issue with Appleton being exposed. If Copp wants too much money as an RFA then that problem solves itself as there is no way Copp is worth anything above Lowry's $3.5mm AAV because of his lack of offensive skills. He is a third-line player all the way.

2) Phone around the league on trade offers for both Demelo and Stanley and see what teams who are light on defense would pay. I'd bet both are worth at least a second-round pick. Then turn around to Seattle and tell them that they will get neither player for nothing based on their trade worth with the notion that we would rather keep them for a third-round pick. Seattle would have to take that deal.

3) Trade Poolman and Niku for whatever you can get. With Heinola and Samberg in the wings ready to make the team plus a likely UFA pickup, there is no room for either player on this roster. Nathan Beaulieu falls into this category as well. Ideally giving Seattle a second to take Beaulieu as their pick would solve all the above problems all at once and gain some cap space to boot.

As we close in on the Seattle entry draft this is what I would do if I was Chevy

1) Ask Wheeler to waive so we can expose him. No way Seattle takes that contract. That solves the forward issue with Appleton being exposed. If Copp wants too much money as an RFA then that problem solves itself as there is no way Copp is worth anything above Lowry's $3.5mm AAV because of his lack of offensive skills. He is a third-line player all the way.

2) Phone around the league on trade offers for both Demelo and Stanley and see what teams who are light on defense would pay. I'd bet both are worth at least a second-round pick. Then turn around to Seattle and tell them that they will get neither player for nothing based on their trade worth with the notion that we would rather keep them for a third-round pick. Seattle would have to take that deal.

3) Trade Poolman and Niku for whatever you can get. With Heinola and Samberg in the wings ready to make the team plus a likely UFA pickup, there is no room for either player on this roster. Nathan Beaulieu falls into this category as well. Ideally giving Seattle a second to take Beaulieu as their pick would solve all the above problems all at once and gain some cap space to boot.
- jetsnation

A few thoughts on what you have here:

1) Can't see Wheeler waiving, would be great but just can't see it nor do I see Chevy even contemplating it. I'd say Copp is worth a bit more then Lowry, like $500K per more, agree he is a 3rd line player.
2) If I'm understanding you correctly you mean give Seattle a 3rd to not take DeMelo or Stanley? Well if you think both are worth a 2nd why would Seattle settle for a 3rd from Winnipeg when they could pick either and deal one for a 2nd? It's either Chevy trades one to a team with a protection spot for a 2nd or makes a deal with Seattle to not take either, probably better to trade one if that deal is out there though I suspect it isn't, not sure there's a lot of teams with a protection spot for either DeMelo or Stanley.
I think they should just protect Stanley and expose DeMelo.
3) Pretty sure Poolman is a UFA and Niku has little to no trade value, someone might take a flyer on him for free through waivers but that's it.
As for Beaulieu it'd be a waste of a 2nd round pick to get Seattle to take him, if sent to the AHL his cap to the Jets is minimal, like $400K or something so using a 2nd round pick for about $400K of cap space for one year would be a waste of a decent asset.

A few thoughts on what you have here:

1) Can't see Wheeler waiving, would be great but just can't see it nor do I see Chevy even contemplating it. I'd say Copp is worth a bit more then Lowry, like $500K per more, agree he is a 3rd line player.
2) If I'm understanding you correctly you mean give Seattle a 3rd to not take DeMelo or Stanley? Well if you think both are worth a 2nd why would Seattle settle for a 3rd from Winnipeg when they could pick either and deal one for a 2nd? It's either Chevy trades one to a team with a protection spot for a 2nd or makes a deal with Seattle to not take either, probably better to trade one if that deal is out there though I suspect it isn't, not sure there's a lot of teams with a protection spot for either DeMelo or Stanley.
I think they should just protect Stanley and expose DeMelo.
3) Pretty sure Poolman is a UFA and Niku has little to no trade value, someone might take a flyer on him for free through waivers but that's it.
As for Beaulieu it'd be a waste of a 2nd round pick to get Seattle to take him, if sent to the AHL his cap to the Jets is minimal, like $400K or something so using a 2nd round pick for about $400K of cap space for one year would be a waste of a decent asset.
- JetFuel

1. I'm not sure why they would even want to, but, no, there is no way the Jets would ever ask Blake Wheeler, their captain, and leader, to waive his NMC for expansion team

2. I think the Jets find a way to keep both Stanley and DeNelo - whether it's offering a 2nd NOT to take one of them or not - perhaps a deal has already been made? The Lowry signing makes one wonder.

3. The Jets could trade pending UFA Poolman's rights I guess, but not sure there is much of a market for a player of Poolman's stature

4. After Expansion Draft, the Jets need to package up a d-man, plus perhaps a Copp, plus a prospect, to send off to "team X" for that upgrade on the blue-line. But who might that be??? The Isles for one, would appear to be in cap trouble.

Tampa D 6’3” average nobody under 210lbs

Montreal D 6’3” average one under 200 lbs who plays minimal minutes

Consistent with last 20 years of the Finals, 40 teams.

Jets have three 6 footers and a 5’11” on the way

Doesn’t work, not sure it ever has

Tampa D 6’3” average nobody under 210lbs

Montreal D 6’3” average one under 200 lbs who plays minimal minutes

Consistent with last 20 years of the Finals, 40 teams.

Jets have three 6 footers and a 5’11” on the way

Doesn’t work, not sure it ever has
- jjonah

How did that work out for the Jets when they had Byfuglien, Trouba, Myers, and Chariot? This team was still finishing low in high danger chances against. They were also finishing in the bottom 10 for PK.

Systems play a bigger role in success!

Jets made the final 4 with that D....despite the system.

Of course system matters but size and strength matters in grinding playoff hockey.
How is this a debate? Big D a must to compete.

So Montreal’s system makes the final with four 6’ Dmen? Not a chance

Check out what Bergevin added:
Stall 6’4”
Anderson 6’3”
Edmundson 6’4”
Perry 6’3”

Of course small skilled players have a place at every position including D.... but 6 Quinn Hughes’s at 5’10” 170lbs wouldn’t win a series ever

Analytics have a place, big
D in playoffs are just a fact

Jets made the final 4 with that D....despite the system.

Of course system matters but size and strength matters in grinding playoff hockey.
How is this a debate? Big D a must to compete.

So Montreal’s system makes the final with four 6’ Dmen? Not a chance

Check out what Bergevin added:
Stall 6’4”
Anderson 6’3”
Edmundson 6’4”
Perry 6’3”

Of course small skilled players have a place at every position including D.... but 6 Quinn Hughes’s at 5’10” 170lbs wouldn’t win a series ever

Analytics have a place, big
D in playoffs are just a fact

Jets made the final 4 with that D....despite the system.

Of course system matters but size and strength matters in grinding playoff hockey.
How is this a debate? Big D a must to compete.

So Montreal’s system makes the final with four 6’ Dmen? Not a chance

Check out what Bergevin added:
Stall 6’4”
Anderson 6’3”
Edmundson 6’4”
Perry 6’3”

Of course small skilled players have a place at every position including D.... but 6 Quinn Hughes’s at 5’10” 170lbs wouldn’t win a series ever

Analytics have a place, big
D in playoffs are just a fact
- jjonah

One time in four years. What about the 2 of the 4 years they completely missed the playoffs with that D?

Again system matters. Not disagreeing but the fact we made the final 4 with our biggest D yet can’t be dismissed.

I’ll stick with 20 years and 40 teams with big, usually mean or willing to amp up for playoff D-cores.

Four 6’ D will get killed in the playoffs. Great for a Tuesday in November against Arizona but playoffs a different animal.

Tampa D 6’3” average nobody under 210lbs

Montreal D 6’3” average one under 200 lbs who plays minimal minutes

Consistent with last 20 years of the Finals, 40 teams.

Jets have three 6 footers and a 5’11” on the way

Doesn’t work, not sure it ever has
- jjonah

Certainly agree with this, size to clear the net is s-o-o-o important! You can't let those forwards push you around.

Last year I suggested Joel Edmundson, but Chevy didn't listen. lol

Of course there's room for smaller guys on D, just not too many. I have said before it would have to be exceptional circumstances if I had more than two 6' or less D men on my blue-line.

Then you get guys like Cale Makar and several others who could play on any team. Up front, you got to win the battles, no matter the size. Would love to have a guy like Brendan Gallagher on our Jets. (but salary cap wise?) Intestinal fortitude!

Size is not the sole factor of course. You need the skill players (in many cases, small). But in many, or most, cases, "will" beats "skill."

Joel Edmundosn was a steal for Mtl

Great in STL, kind of boring to watch for 82 games and then critical for postseason

One time in four years. What about the 2 of the 4 years they completely missed the playoffs with that D?
- TheUltimateJet

One of those years was cause the Jets goaltending was absolutely atrocious and I blame Chevy for that wasted season!

Hellebuyck’s first full rookie season was the year they sent Pavelec to the minors and went with the Helly/Hutch tandem and they both sucked badly that year.

That was a good team that was wasted cause Chevy didn't do anything to address the goalie position, just average goaltending would've gotten that team into the playoffs but Dayoff was doing what he normally does which is nothing, not saying they would've gone far but just getting in would've been playoff experience for a team who at that time had very little of it and that would've helped the next year.

The D core that year was good and did it's job but they couldn't get a save when they needed it and that tandem let in sooo many softies which just isn't good enough for a team to make the playoffs.

Not sure which is the other season they missed the playoffs with that D core but I suspect it was prior to the arrivals of Laine and Connor so the forward group just wasn't good enough to make the playoffs at that point.

Jets made the final 4 with that D....despite the system.

Of course system matters but size and strength matters in grinding playoff hockey.
How is this a debate? Big D a must to compete.

So Montreal’s system makes the final with four 6’ Dmen? Not a chance

Check out what Bergevin added:
Stall 6’4”
Anderson 6’3”
Edmundson 6’4”
Perry 6’3”

Of course small skilled players have a place at every position including D.... but 6 Quinn Hughes’s at 5’10” 170lbs wouldn’t win a series ever

Analytics have a place, big
D in playoffs are just a fact
- jjonah

The Habs also added 6'3" Jon Merrill to their defense and Tampa is using Luke Schenn in some games, I very much agree with you, one or two small dmen work but three or more is just too many and won't work, really think it's been the Avs downfall the last two years.

Also I think it matters the style that a smallish dman plays with, guys like Doughty and McDonagh aren't really that big but both play with an edge.

Snip it from TSN article in Chicago incident;

“Vincent said a day later he was called into a meeting at the team hotel in San Jose with team president John McDonough, general manager Stan Bowman, vice-president of hockey operations Al MacIsaac, and Gary. Vincent said he asked the team executives to go to the sex crimes unit of the Chicago police department. Vincent said they refused.”

Again, as I suspected it appears the decision on how to handle this was made by people much higher in the organization than Chevy. But it is still extremely cowardly of all who knew and did nothing.

And here’s another

“Every guy on the team knew about it,” the player said. “Every single guy on the team knew.”

So kane, buff, Toews, ladd, and the entire team (except the two who were the victims) would also fall under that cowardly rank

Snip it from TSN article in Chicago incident;

“Vincent said a day later he was called into a meeting at the team hotel in San Jose with team president John McDonough, general manager Stan Bowman, vice-president of hockey operations Al MacIsaac, and Gary. Vincent said he asked the team executives to go to the sex crimes unit of the Chicago police department. Vincent said they refused.”

Again, as I suspected it appears the decision on how to handle this was made by people much higher in the organization than Chevy. But it is still extremely cowardly of all who knew and did nothing.
- Ross77

100% agree with you Ross. I remember hearing a famous quote that said: “those that do nothing when atrocities are occurring are just as responsible as those who are committing them”.

I am disgusted!

And here’s another

“Every guy on the team knew about it,” the player said. “Every single guy on the team knew.”

So kane, buff, Toews, ladd, and the entire team (except the two who were the victims) would also fall under that cowardly rank
- Ross77

Those were very young men at the time and may have been targeted- who knows how this will shake out.

I am thinking about Chevy, if he knew (very likely) he should do the right thing and resign. it was his (but not his alone) job to know what was going on and to make a safe place for those working/playing for the hawks. How can we have confidence that people connected with the Jets are not abusing their positions of power that come with being nhl connected in Winnipeg and beyond?

I think Chevy is gone.

Those were very young men at the time and may have been targeted- who knows how this will shake out.

I am thinking about Chevy, if he knew (very likely) he should do the right thing and resign. it was his (but not his alone) job to know what was going on and to make a safe place for those working/playing for the hawks. How can we have confidence that people connected with the Jets are not abusing their positions of power that come with being nhl connected in Winnipeg and beyond?

I think Chevy is gone.
- 2.0

Very serious allegations to be sure!

But if "everyone" knew, how far down the ladder to you think the axe should fall? All management, trainers, media, stick boys, players - how far?

Like how many take the fall for this - if proven true? I'm just asking, I'm not sure.

Those were very young men at the time and may have been targeted- who knows how this will shake out.

I am thinking about Chevy, if he knew (very likely) he should do the right thing and resign. it was his (but not his alone) job to know what was going on and to make a safe place for those working/playing for the hawks. How can we have confidence that people connected with the Jets are not abusing their positions of power that come with being nhl connected in Winnipeg and beyond?

I think Chevy is gone.
- 2.0

Every player was an adult, there is no difference between an assistant GM that knew and followed the orders from his boss and a player. None.
Everyone that said nothing was afraid how it would effect their careers, and the very fact that this took ten years to come out, proves how valid but still very wrong those worries were. The league has a tremendous way to go, but ten years ago that road was even longer.

MTL GM Marc Bergevin asked what he knew about sex abuse claim against Brad Aldrich with Chicago in 2010.

"There was a meeting that I’ve heard done. I was not part of any meeting and I was not part of any decision based on that. I was not aware of what was going on at the time.

Time for Chevy to make a statement. If one assistant GM was not involved, I’d assume Chevy probably was not either but until he speaks up, who knows??????

Every player was an adult, there is no difference between an assistant GM that knew and followed the orders from his boss and a player. None.
Everyone that said nothing was afraid how it would effect their careers, and the very fact that this took ten years to come out, proves how valid but still very wrong those worries were. The league has a tremendous way to go, but ten years ago that road was even longer.
- Ross77

I would agree with this statement. I think everyone had to tread very carefully then or you might be looking at a huge lawsuit.

Not sure anyone of us can definitely say what we would have done in that situation. I know I can't. I think you'd have to be there, went through this, to understand the complete picture. I'm sure it was pretty complex at the time.

It's just so sad and gruesome that these situations occur! It's terrible!!!

I would agree with this statement. I think everyone had to tread very carefully then or you might be looking at a huge lawsuit.

Not sure anyone of us can definitely say what we would have done in that situation. I know I can't. I think you'd have to be there, went through this, to understand the complete picture. I'm sure it was pretty complex at the time.

It's just so sad and gruesome that these situations occur! It's terrible!!!
- grahamzky

Well
Said

MTL GM Marc Bergevin asked what he knew about sex abuse claim against Brad Aldrich with Chicago in 2010.

"There was a meeting that I’ve heard done. I was not part of any meeting and I was not part of any decision based on that. I was not aware of what was going on at the time.

Time for Chevy to make a statement. If one assistant GM was not involved, I’d assume Chevy probably was not either but until he speaks up, who knows??????
- Ross77

I really appreciate the passion behind your posts Ross. This situation keeps unravelling. Apparently all the coaches on the team had a meeting about the situation in 2010. It’s just so messed up!

I really appreciate the passion behind your posts Ross. This situation keeps unravelling. Apparently all the coaches on the team had a meeting about the situation in 2010. It’s just so messed up!
- TheUltimateJet

Found this in an Chicago news paper, it looks like Chevy and Bergevin were not in that meeting, but again, did they know later or not??

“Former Hawks president John McDonough, current general manager Stan Bowman, current vice president of hockey operations Al MacIsaac and former skills coach James Gary were told by former skills coach Paul Vincent in a meeting at a California hotel that Aldrich had sexually assaulted two players earlier that season, TSN reported.