How is Sam Morin working out in Philly? I am not debating what Stanley will be one way or the other, but there are a lot more Sam Morin’s that nobody ever hears from than Chara’s. Chara is the exception to the rule, not the rule.
- Ross77

Good point and well said. The reason I like Stanley to stay a jet is because the team desperately needs what he is bringing- physicality, energy and an actual threat to score from the points. We don’t have a lot of pieces on d that are clicking and we should keep the strengths he brings. I am not looking at a high ceiling though he is progressing, it is enough that he is strong in that 4/5/6 spot. Not chara or Robinson or parayko, thinking more Hal Gill. Useful player even on a good team.

Isn't the California tax rate quite high?

It's strange how the Panthers haven't been able to use the state tax rate to their advantage like the Lightning obviously have.
-JetFuel


Yes you’re correct, California tax rate is higher but still under the Jets tax rate and your exactly right about Tampa.


I got this from a website…
“…some players, not all, look at tax implications when they sign with a team. But moreso if you are any of the Top Group teams, you should be using the tax implications as why a player can take a little lower salary, so the team has more money to spend on other quality players, because his net salary will still be the same as someone who makes more in higher taxed cities.

For instance. Nikita Kucherov just signed an extension worth $9.5 million, and if you compare that to John Tavares $11 million/year contract it looks like Kucherov took less. But if you look at his net salary it is virtually the same as Tavares in Toronto.

Tavares makes $11 million in Toronto and his net salary is $5.145 million, while Kucherov’s $9.5 million salary in Tampa Bay nets him $5.781 million. Kucherov still has a higher net salary playing in Tampa Bay, even though Tavares gets paid $1.5 million more in Toronto.

Leon Draisaitl makes $8.5 million in Edmonton and he will net $4.448 million, while Ryan Johansen makes $8 million in Nashville, but his net salary is still higher at $4.875 million.”

The tax rate in Canada sucks, I understand why my dad always complained about paying taxes. I can’t fathom losing nearly $6 million in taxes in Tavares’s case (but I can’t fathom taking home $5+ million either!). I would rather work in Tampa as well! 😜

The best move to make is to just leave Copp exposed and let Seattle take him. I'm highly skeptical that he can repeat what he did this season in a normal year and next season looks like it'll be back to normal. Just avoid the overpay and let Seattle take him, can park anyone on Lowry's left wing to waste time.
- JetFuel

I'm with you. This year is very likely an anomaly.
I'd like to keep him, but if it's for much more than Lowry, I'm not interested.

I just wanted to throw this out there…

I know Morrissey had a down year, but there is very good reason for that. Josh mentioned this in a video ‘Hockey fights Cancer’ as his father has cancer and it has been progressively getting worse. In fact, it became a bigger issue with the team, because of Covid. There was some ill will brewing in the dressing room, as there were a couple players not taking the safety measures seriously that were put in place and Josh was very worried about giving Covid do his father (a weakened immune system).

https://m.facebook.com/nh...s/videos/197943728475582/

I'm with you. This year is very likely an anomaly.
I'd like to keep him, but if it's for much more than Lowry, I'm not interested.
- Quillanrocks

Even if Copp comes in at around the same rate as Lowry I don't think it's worth it, he's not a top six talent and they can put almost any LW next to Lowry and Appleton and they'll be fine, could probably sign Toninato for a league minimum contract and he'll do the same as Copp did there or put Harkins there and likely get better results.

Even if Copp comes in at around the same rate as Lowry I don't think it's worth it, he's not a top six talent and they can put almost any LW next to Lowry and Appleton and they'll be fine, could probably sign Toninato for a league minimum contract and he'll do the same as Copp did there or put Harkins there and likely get better results.
- JetFuel

I'm with you on the Harkins notion, but Toninato . . . that's undervaluing Copp a fair bit. So with that kind of opinion of the player, is it safe to assume you don't expect a high return if the Jets traded him? The appeal (not for you but for some! LOL) with Copp is his versatility within the lineup, the ability to move him up and down, from LW to center, when necessary. I don't think Toninato should get minutes next to Ehlers the same as Copp did early last season. (and did well) Yes, credit Ehlers for that, but I'm sure the results would have been different if you plugged Toninato in there instead!!

Isn't the California tax rate quite high?

It's strange how the Panthers haven't been able to use the state tax rate to their advantage like the Lightning obviously have.
-JetFuel


Yes you’re correct, California tax rate is higher but still under the Jets tax rate and your exactly right about Tampa.


I got this from a website…
“…some players, not all, look at tax implications when they sign with a team. But moreso if you are any of the Top Group teams, you should be using the tax implications as why a player can take a little lower salary, so the team has more money to spend on other quality players, because his net salary will still be the same as someone who makes more in higher taxed cities.

For instance. Nikita Kucherov just signed an extension worth $9.5 million, and if you compare that to John Tavares $11 million/year contract it looks like Kucherov took less. But if you look at his net salary it is virtually the same as Tavares in Toronto.

Tavares makes $11 million in Toronto and his net salary is $5.145 million, while Kucherov’s $9.5 million salary in Tampa Bay nets him $5.781 million. Kucherov still has a higher net salary playing in Tampa Bay, even though Tavares gets paid $1.5 million more in Toronto.

Leon Draisaitl makes $8.5 million in Edmonton and he will net $4.448 million, while Ryan Johansen makes $8 million in Nashville, but his net salary is still higher at $4.875 million.”

The tax rate in Canada sucks, I understand why my dad always complained about paying taxes. I can’t fathom losing nearly $6 million in taxes in Tavares’s case (but I can’t fathom taking home $5+ million either!). I would rather work in Tampa as well! 😜
- Tommycasino

How much do properties cost in those places compared to Winnipeg? I cannot imagine any of them being cheap even to rent. With an advantage in one area, there is always a disadvantage in another.

How is Sam Morin working out in Philly? I am not debating what Stanley will be one way or the other, but there are a lot more Sam Morin’s that nobody ever hears from than Chara’s. Chara is the exception to the rule, not the rule.
- Ross77

I also believe that Stanley will be the exception to the rule. Two years ago a majority of Jets fans were calling him a bust. The amount of work that man put in the offseason to get better is something that cannot be taught. Looks like he has developed a work ethic and wants to get better.

I see him as being a top four in two years, with him becoming the teams defensive anchor in 3.

I also believe that Stanley will be the exception to the rule. Two years ago a majority of Jets fans were calling him a bust. The amount of work that man put in the offseason to get better is something that cannot be taught. Looks like he has developed a work ethic and wants to get better.

I see him as being a top four in two years, with him becoming the teams defensive anchor in 3.
- TheUltimateJet

I like your enthusiasm and I honestly hope you are right. He does seem to be putting the work in.

The best move to make is to just leave Copp exposed and let Seattle take him. I'm highly skeptical that he can repeat what he did this season in a normal year and next season looks like it'll be back to normal. Just avoid the overpay and let Seattle take him, can park anyone on Lowry's left wing to waste time.
- JetFuel

The only difference for Copp this year was opportunity. It took until he was 26 to actually try him in a top 6 role, and he chased Wheeler up the leaderboard all year in fewer minutes
And now that he’s done it, you want to drop him for free?

Seriously, you guys are getting weird. Copp has been a high level defensive talent and play driver for years, AND is an actual god-tier #1 in the world PK guy. Now he’s scoring like a top 6 forward, and you write him off as a placeholder 3rd line winger? Jesus Christ.

The only difference for Copp this year was opportunity. It took until he was 26 to actually try him in a top 6 role, and he chased Wheeler up the leaderboard all year in fewer minutes
And now that he’s done it, you want to drop him for free?

Seriously, you guys are getting weird. Copp has been a high level defensive talent and play driver for years, AND is an actual god-tier #1 in the world PK guy. Now he’s scoring like a top 6 forward, and you write him off as a placeholder 3rd line winger? Jesus Christ.
- Rexypoo

In a wierd season with no preseason playing Ottawa nine times in a crappy, defensively challenged division, under normal circumstances I doubt Copp has the season he does.

Oh and "God tier" on a PK where the two forwards essentially just stand there or collapse down and barely challenge the shooter??!
That gloriously effective PK?!! Lol

I'm with you on the Harkins notion, but Toninato . . . that's undervaluing Copp a fair bit. So with that kind of opinion of the player, is it safe to assume you don't expect a high return if the Jets traded him? The appeal (not for you but for some! LOL) with Copp is his versatility within the lineup, the ability to move him up and down, from LW to center, when necessary. I don't think Toninato should get minutes next to Ehlers the same as Copp did early last season. (and did well) Yes, credit Ehlers for that, but I'm sure the results would have been different if you plugged Toninato in there instead!!
- Quillanrocks

Oh I appreciate Copp's versatility and didn't mean Toninato in the top 6 ever, I meant Toninato would probably be fine as a fixture next to Lowry only.

I really hope to see Harkins, Vesalainen and Appleton get longer looks in the top six, hopefully it happens but I don't expect it will.

The only difference for Copp this year was opportunity. It took until he was 26 to actually try him in a top 6 role, and he chased Wheeler up the leaderboard all year in fewer minutes
And now that he’s done it, you want to drop him for free?

Seriously, you guys are getting weird. Copp has been a high level defensive talent and play driver for years, AND is an actual god-tier #1 in the world PK guy. Now he’s scoring like a top 6 forward, and you write him off as a placeholder 3rd line winger? Jesus Christ.
- Rexypoo

If Copp is going to take Stastny's spot in the top 6 and PP1, then sure keep him and pay him his money. But if next year he's back on Lowry's wing it's a waste of cap space (assuming he is getting 4+ million a year)

Though i'm not advocating to ship him off to Seattle. Some team probably envisions him as a top 6 player and will pay the Jets something of value.

In a wierd season with no preseason playing Ottawa nine times in a crappy, defensively challenged division, under normal circumstances I doubt Copp has the season he does.

Oh and "God tier" on a PK where the two forwards essentially just stand there or collapse down and barely challenge the shooter??!
That gloriously effective PK?!! Lol
- JetFuel

The Jets PK is aggressively bad based on system, strategy, usage, etc.

Andrew Copp is what you would call a “power killer” and has registered the league’s best results as an individual player for like 3 years now

If Copp is going to take Stastny's spot in the top 6 and PP1, then sure keep him and pay him his money. But if next year he's back on Lowry's wing it's a waste of cap space (assuming he is getting 4+ million a year)

Though i'm not advocating to ship him off to Seattle. Some team probably envisions him as a top 6 player and will pay the Jets something of value.
- BWJumper

I see your reasoning, but cannot agree with it as by that logic we should be trading Ehlers to save money on a lesser player for his minutes

The Jets PK is aggressively bad based on system, strategy, usage, etc.

Andrew Copp is what you would call a “power killer” and has registered the league’s best results as an individual player for like 3 years now
- Rexypoo

The Jets PK is passively bad based on system, strategy, usage, etc, there is nothing aggressive about it.

Copp is what I call a chance killer as in he kills a lot of chances by taking SOOO many low percentage shots that are never going in, he must lead the league in soft shots put right into the goalies symbol.

If Copp is going to take Stastny's spot in the top 6 and PP1, then sure keep him and pay him his money. But if next year he's back on Lowry's wing it's a waste of cap space (assuming he is getting 4+ million a year)

Though i'm not advocating to ship him off to Seattle. Some team probably envisions him as a top 6 player and will pay the Jets something of value.
- BWJumper

I like Copp but he shouldn't be on the power play

I like Copp but he shouldn't be on the power play
- Ross77

I don’t know about this Ross. He is good down low and can get those greasy rebounds. He is good at entering the zone and getting into those dirty areas to get the puck. I do agree with you that he should most likely not be on the top power play, I do think he’s earned a spot on the number 2 unit.

He is going to command north of 4.5 million this summer. It also appears that the Jets essentially had a choice between Lowry and Copp and for the most part it looks like they chose Lowry.

I don’t know about this Ross. He is good down low and can get those greasy rebounds. He is good at entering the zone and getting into those dirty areas to get the puck. I do agree with you that he should most likely not be on the top power play, I do think he’s earned a spot on the number 2 unit.

He is going to command north of 4.5 million this summer. It also appears that the Jets essentially had a choice between Lowry and Copp and for the most part it looks like they chose Lowry.
- TheUltimateJet

yes, he could be on the 2nd unit. I honestly don't think he'd command north of 4.5 if he was a UFA so we should not do it with more control with him as a RFA. 4.0-4.25 is where it should land, 3-4 years.

The Jets PK is passively bad based on system, strategy, usage, etc, there is nothing aggressive about it.

Copp is what I call a chance killer as in he kills a lot of chances by taking SOOO many low percentage shots that are never going in, he must lead the league in soft shots put right into the goalies symbol.
- JetFuel

Okay? Copp’s shooting isn’t what we’re talking about here. Everyone knows that’s his weak point.

If you want to talk about inefficient shooters, looks no further than Derek Forbort and Logan Stanley. Forbort had the highest percentage of shots blocked by any player in the NHL (over 40%), and spams point shots like Logan Stanley (highest shot attempt share of any defenceman in the NHL at 32% when he’s on the ice).

I hope I can find my excitement for next year but right now i have none. I just can not knowing Maurice will be back because that means all this;

-wheeler will be over played in top 6 and on top PP, he will continue to get more ice time and PP than ehlers

-because we dont meet the criteria on forward for amount of players to expose, this will be used as an excuse to sign a couple vets. but the problem is not that, the problem is then Maurice will play those poopy vets over Gustaffson and vesalainen.

-Maurice has already said there is no way he plays heinola, samberg and stanley at the same time

-no way he gives more than 1-2 rookies a chance

-chances are we over pay crappy vets to sign here

-chances are we keep the same garbage systems, so even if we do bring in good players they are set up to fail cause Chipman and Maurice are now best friends and chipman wont !!!! fire !!! Maurice!!!!

Isn't the California tax rate quite high?

It's strange how the Panthers haven't been able to use the state tax rate to their advantage like the Lightning obviously have.
-JetFuel


Yes you’re correct, California tax rate is higher but still under the Jets tax rate and your exactly right about Tampa.


I got this from a website…
“…some players, not all, look at tax implications when they sign with a team. But moreso if you are any of the Top Group teams, you should be using the tax implications as why a player can take a little lower salary, so the team has more money to spend on other quality players, because his net salary will still be the same as someone who makes more in higher taxed cities.

For instance. Nikita Kucherov just signed an extension worth $9.5 million, and if you compare that to John Tavares $11 million/year contract it looks like Kucherov took less. But if you look at his net salary it is virtually the same as Tavares in Toronto.

Tavares makes $11 million in Toronto and his net salary is $5.145 million, while Kucherov’s $9.5 million salary in Tampa Bay nets him $5.781 million. Kucherov still has a higher net salary playing in Tampa Bay, even though Tavares gets paid $1.5 million more in Toronto.

Leon Draisaitl makes $8.5 million in Edmonton and he will net $4.448 million, while Ryan Johansen makes $8 million in Nashville, but his net salary is still higher at $4.875 million.”

The tax rate in Canada sucks, I understand why my dad always complained about paying taxes. I can’t fathom losing nearly $6 million in taxes in Tavares’s case (but I can’t fathom taking home $5+ million either!). I would rather work in Tampa as well! 😜
- Tommycasino

Exactly. Canadian teams need to at least have the option match post-tax salaries to help retain players. It is not fair for teams who rely on drafting/developing, nor the players who have to choose between their fan's loyalties, or their own personal financial future. Can't blame the players for taking the pay-day.

Okay? Copp’s shooting isn’t what we’re talking about here. Everyone knows that’s his weak point.

If you want to talk about inefficient shooters, looks no further than Derek Forbort and Logan Stanley. Forbort had the highest percentage of shots blocked by any player in the NHL (over 40%), and spams point shots like Logan Stanley (highest shot attempt share of any defenceman in the NHL at 32% when he’s on the ice).
- Rexypoo

What are we talking about exactly Rexy and what is a "power killer" in hockey??

Aren't you fancy stat people all about shot attempts?

I like Copp but he shouldn't be on the power play
- Ross77

Stastny's job on PP1 was to win the faceoff and be the net presence. Copp can do that same job..

I hope I can find my excitement for next year but right now i have none. I just can not knowing Maurice will be back because that means all this;

-wheeler will be over played in top 6 and on top PP, he will continue to get more ice time and PP than ehlers

-because we dont meet the criteria on forward for amount of players to expose, this will be used as an excuse to sign a couple vets. but the problem is not that, the problem is then Maurice will play those poopy vets over Gustaffson and vesalainen.

-Maurice has already said there is no way he plays heinola, samberg and stanley at the same time

-no way he gives more than 1-2 rookies a chance

-chances are we over pay crappy vets to sign here

-chances are we keep the same garbage systems, so even if we do bring in good players they are set up to fail cause Chipman and Maurice are now best friends and chipman wont !!!! fire !!! Maurice!!!!
- Ross77

Agree Ross. Right now my prediction is the Jets finish 6th in the central and miss the playoffs, or Hellebuyck wins the Vezina and they squeak in.

We will get a clearer picture by free agency on July 28 when we see what "upgrades" Chevy has in store through trades or signings.