Would any of you guys do:

Andrew Copp for Sam Reinhardt?

I would do Ross’s trade of Copp for Patrick.
- TheUltimateJet

What are you adding with Copp cause there's no chance Buffalo trades Reinhart straight up for Copp.

What are you adding with Copp cause there's no chance Buffalo trades Reinhart straight up for Copp.
- JetFuel

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The Defense averaged 6’2” and 218 lbs

An analytic that Jets refuse to acknowledge

Stanley Cup Finalists
Last 20 years
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The Defense averaged 6’2” and 218 lbs

An analytic that Jets refuse to acknowledge
- jjonah

I'll buy that. You need at least a couple of big bruisers back there. At least three would be better.

Stanley and Samberg a start? And we add ???

I think the answer for a solid addition to our D comes from Seattle

For example NYI wont be able to protect RHD Scott Mayfield 28 years old 6’5” 220 lbs

Graves in Colorado, Chariot in MTL and many more may become trading chips for the Kracken.

LHD Nikata Zadarov is a RFA , LHD 6’6” 230lbs

I think our 1st rd pick, Appleton and Copp need to be tradeable to land someone

I think the answer for a solid addition to our D comes from Seattle

For example NYI wont be able to protect RHD Scott Mayfield 28 years old 6’5” 220 lbs

Graves in Colorado, Chariot in MTL and many more may become trading chips for the Kracken.

LHD Nikata Zadarov is a RFA , LHD 6’6” 230lbs

I think our 1st rd pick, Appleton and Copp need to be tradeable to land someone
- jjonah

This is a really good post! Creative and outside the box thinking. I like it.

I'll buy that. You need at least a couple of big bruisers back there. At least three would be better.

Stanley and Samberg a start? And we add ???
- grahamzky

That distinction is important. It's not enough that they're big but that they use that size, correct?

- On the UFA front there's Larsson (Edmonton), Oleksiak, Savard perhaps.(?) Hakanpaa was a mention by someone, but does he move the puck well enough? (I dunno, haven't seen him play too much)

- Via trade, well there's always the persistent Ristolainen rumors! Murphy in Chicago, perhaps. I've also always liked Robert Hagg's game in Philadelphia. Very underrated player, IMO. Who knows what the Flyers will do this off-season after the year they had. What would it cost to get him for 1 year (UFA next season)? Likely not much.

Just my thoughts.

I think the answer for a solid addition to our D comes from Seattle

For example NYI wont be able to protect RHD Scott Mayfield 28 years old 6’5” 220 lbs

Graves in Colorado, Chariot in MTL and many more may become trading chips for the Kracken.

LHD Nikata Zadarov is a RFA , LHD 6’6” 230lbs

I think our 1st rd pick, Appleton and Copp need to be tradeable to land someone
- jjonah

Mayfield would be awesome. Agree; Seattle may load up on D same as Vegas did. Great trading chips. Not sure I'd be crazy about Zadorov. Great for the hit highlights, but defensive abilities are meh. 100% we should make those 3 assets available. . . . Great post

Agree, it can be said that if our D is NOT addressed it is solely the Jets fault. UFA, RFA, expansion draft, trade.... the options are all there.

Seattle is going have a very, very solid D group with some to spare

Dumba, Chariot, Bean, Mayfield, Toews or Graves, Dillon to name a few likely available.

And the expansion draft can be eventful for sure. It’s hard to believe that Florida Panthers gave Las Vegas Riley Smith if they PROMISED to draft Jonathan Marchessault!!!! Promised lol

Agree, it can be said that if our D is NOT addressed it is solely the Jets fault. UFA, RFA, expansion draft, trade.... the options are all there.

Seattle is going have a very, very solid D group with some to spare

Dumba, Chariot, Bean, Mayfield, Toews or Graves, Dillon to name a few likely available.
- jjonah

Great comment and one that makes fans think what would it take for the Jets to get a Dumba, Charoit or Bean?

Agree, it can be said that if our D is NOT addressed it is solely the Jets fault. UFA, RFA, expansion draft, trade.... the options are all there.

Seattle is going have a very, very solid D group with some to spare

Dumba, Chariot, Bean, Mayfield, Toews or Graves, Dillon to name a few likely available.
- jjonah

I completely agree. It's also why I think Stanley is probably not their pick in expansion. Seattle is going to be able to pick a top 4 defenseman from every team except Vegas. The only reason they pick a guy like Stanley (bottom 6) since he is not waiver protected is they flip him for an asset.

With the Vegas expansion, the Jets switched 1st round picks to drop back 9 spots and gave up a 3rd for Vegas to pick an unsigned UFA (Thorburn). If Chevy is aggressive, I see Seattle being very willing to give us a top 4 with some protected years if we are willing to give up a roster forward, prospects or picks.

Toews cost Colorado two 2nd round picks and he has 3 more seasons until UFA status kicks in. A player for his skill level may be flipped for a similar cost by Seattle. I however would be hesitant about too many left sided defenseman. If Stanley stays, you need room for Samburg and Heinola to move up on the left side.

The right side is weaker for prospects with Kovacevic probably making the team's bottom 6 on the right side in a year or two. Leon Gawonke is still a raw offensive minded defenseman who has large gaps in his defensive game kind of like a young Tyson Barrie. He is fun to watch on the Moose power play but is far from NHL ready. If Poolman is resigned, he should be our 7th man. Demelo should play in a 2nd or 3rd pairing role. I would love to see Chevy get a true number 1 to play on out top pair with Morrissey.

Agree, it can be said that if our D is NOT addressed it is solely the Jets fault. UFA, RFA, expansion draft, trade.... the options are all there.

Seattle is going have a very, very solid D group with some to spare

Dumba, Chariot, Bean, Mayfield, Toews or Graves, Dillon to name a few likely available.
- jjonah

Hopefully Chevelallseasonoff gets this memo! It’s his time to get to work.

While he’s at it, might as well take a critical look at the systems his coaching staff are employing. You could have the best personal, however if we keep jokers like Uncle Paul running the ship, we are only going to get marginally better.

Hopefully Chevelallseasonoff gets this memo! It’s his time to get to work.

While he’s at it, might as well take a critical look at the systems his coaching staff are employing. You could have the best personal, however if we keep jokers like Uncle Paul running the ship, we are only going to get marginally better.
- TheUltimateJet

I couldn't agree more.

TheUltimateJet

To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.


I am from Winnipeg, so I wish it wasn’t so, but with our poopty tax situation and weather, it is a tough sell for free agents (that finally have a chance to play anywhere they choose ) to pick Winnipeg. Pick Florida or Vegas where taxes are minimal and weather is much improved? When I retire I will be out of here 3-4 months of the year myself!

Lastly, Little’s contract is a mess… he will not retire and it does affect their cap. If you read how LTIR works, the team can only not have the contract be an issue as long as they are right up against the cap at the start of the season. Anytime they are below the cap up to 5.3 mil it counts against the cap. That is why the Jets had next to zero cap space at the trade deadline.

TheUltimateJet

To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.


I am from Winnipeg, so I wish it wasn’t so, but with our poopty tax situation and weather, it is a tough sell for free agents (that finally have a chance to play anywhere they choose ) to pick Winnipeg. Pick Florida or Vegas where taxes are minimal and weather is much improved? When I retire I will be out of here 3-4 months of the year myself!

Lastly, Little’s contract is a mess… he will not retire and it does affect their cap. If you read how LTIR works, the team can only not have the contract be an issue as long as they are right up against the cap at the start of the season. Anytime they are below the cap up to 5.3 mil it counts against the cap. That is why the Jets had next to zero cap space at the trade deadline.
- Tommycasino

And he shouldn't retire, he deserves to get paid, Little's injury is actually legit unlike alot of other guys who mysteriously retired to LTIR island.

It's not a big deal, they just have to wait until the season starts till they put him on LTIR and then the cap space is opened up or they use offseason LTIR but that doesn't maximize cap space as much.

And he shouldn't retire, he deserves to get paid, Little's injury is actually legit unlike alot of other guys who mysteriously retired to LTIR island.

It's not a big deal, they just have to wait until the season starts till they put him on LTIR and then the cap space is opened up or they use offseason LTIR but that doesn't maximize cap space as much.
- JetFuel

LTIR does not count against the cap. If a player signs a contract after 30 and retires before 35, then whatever is left of that players contract counts against the cap.

Chevy has used Little and Byfuglien’s contracts to justify his inaction at trade deadlines citing that he’s worried about them returning and needing caps space in the case they do.

Little would be the first player in NHL history to come off LTIR. No other player has done so, especially after taking considerable time off.

As much as his "emergence" was a pleasant surprise this season, given Winnipeg's depth of young, developing LD (Heinola, Samberg) I would find it more disappointing to see Appleton go than Stanley. Because of that depth, too, I hope the Jets don't spend too much trying to protect Stanley, who's likely to be the Kraken choice, IMO.
- Quillanrocks

I agree Heinola could be a great 2LD, but he also has experience on the right. Samberg is a tough guy a assess. His AHL numbers 1G, 6A doesn't scream NHL, nor does his level of physical play at the moment. Stanley's numbers weren't much better, but he brings so much more to the table when he is on the ice. Guys can't get around him, he hits with authority, and polices the ice. Ideally DeMelo waives his NMC, and perhaps Wheeler as well. I doubt the Kraken want Wheeler for 3 more years at 8.25M, especially if they watch his tapes from the second half of the season.

My prediction: Kraken take Copp

Agree, it can be said that if our D is NOT addressed it is solely the Jets fault. UFA, RFA, expansion draft, trade.... the options are all there.

Seattle is going have a very, very solid D group with some to spare

Dumba, Chariot, Bean, Mayfield, Toews or Graves, Dillon to name a few likely available.
- jjonah

Dumba will be a Kraken unfortunately. It a shame that PoMo didn't give Chevy the benefit of seeing what his most talented players can do. Now he has to make decisions without fully seeing what Heinola can bring to the table. This could be the simplest answer:
Jomo Pionk
Stanley Heinola
Samberg Poolman

The Jets are likely losing Appleton, and protecting DeMelo. It’s not even a question to protect DeMelo.

You don’t protect a 23 year old defencemen approaching peak age in the hopes he might one-day-maybe-perhaps-if-all-goes-right-possibly-I-can-kinda-see-it-if-I-squint-hard-enough end up as good as Dylan DeMelo. You just don’t.
Seattle won’t be interested anyway. They’re a stats heavy team, and Stanley was super unremarkable

I think the answer for a solid addition to our D comes from Seattle

For example NYI wont be able to protect RHD Scott Mayfield 28 years old 6’5” 220 lbs

Graves in Colorado, Chariot in MTL and many more may become trading chips for the Kracken.

LHD Nikata Zadarov is a RFA , LHD 6’6” 230lbs

I think our 1st rd pick, Appleton and Copp need to be tradeable to land someone
- jjonah

You have to know they won’t be taking any of those players, right? You’re talking about leveraging the threat to make the original teams panic, not trading through Seattle

The Jets are likely losing Appleton, and protecting DeMelo. It’s not even a question to protect DeMelo.

You don’t protect a 23 year old defencemen approaching peak age in the hopes he might one-day-maybe-perhaps-if-all-goes-right-possibly-I-can-kinda-see-it-if-I-squint-hard-enough end up as good as Dylan DeMelo. You just don’t.
Seattle won’t be interested anyway. They’re a stats heavy team, and Stanley was super unremarkable
- Rexypoo

DeMelo came into the NHL at the same age as Stanley and was nothing special for his first couple of years.

Your other post is correct. The Jets should be finding out who the dmen other teams are exposing and trading for them.
Like if Dumba is being exposed go get him and use your 3rd D spot to protect him. Heck go get Dunn or Graves also. The price can't be that high if they were going to lose them for nothing. They would have to be exposed but the Jets are losing only 1 of Stanley, Demelo, or whoever.

That's probably too creative for Chevy though.

The Jets are likely losing Appleton, and protecting DeMelo. It’s not even a question to protect DeMelo.

You don’t protect a 23 year old defencemen approaching peak age in the hopes he might one-day-maybe-perhaps-if-all-goes-right-possibly-I-can-kinda-see-it-if-I-squint-hard-enough end up as good as Dylan DeMelo. You just don’t.
Seattle won’t be interested anyway. They’re a stats heavy team, and Stanley was super unremarkable
- Rexypoo

While I can understand the debate about which defenseman to protect, I feel the Jets will opt to protect Demelo over Stanley, not only for his obvious value to this team, but also for what it would say if they didn't. Demelo agreed to remain with Winnipeg as a UFA, and it's good optics for the rest of the league to see the Jets show loyalty to those who commit to their organization. These things play a part in these decisions, also (to a degree, of course!). I'm sure there will be a player on almost every team that people scratch their heads over . . . "I can't believe they protected that player and not this guy!" Losing anyone sucks, but Chevy may just pull off something similar to the Vegas draft and have them take someone who was out the door anyhow. Fingers crossed.

While I can understand the debate about which defenseman to protect, I feel the Jets will opt to protect Demelo over Stanley, not only for his obvious value to this team, but also for what it would say if they didn't. Demelo agreed to remain with Winnipeg as a UFA, and it's good optics for the rest of the league to see the Jets show loyalty to those who commit to their organization. These things play a part in these decisions, also (to a degree, of course!). I'm sure there will be a player on almost every team that people scratch their heads over . . . "I can't believe they protected that player and not this guy!" Losing anyone sucks, but Chevy may just pull off something similar to the Vegas draft and have them take someone who was out the door anyhow. Fingers crossed.
- Quillanrocks

Why not show some loyalty to Stanley, why not show some loyalty to the guys they drafted and held their rights for years?

Why not show some loyalty to Stanley, why not show some loyalty to the guys they drafted and held their rights for years?
- JetFuel

I did mention that I feel they will protect Demelo for how much they value him AS WELL as for the optics. But that is a good point. I would counter by identifying that nobody questions the Jets commitment to drafting and development, but as far as being a draw to decent free agents, the Jets certainly don't help themselves by exposing the rare notable UFA's that do sign with them. Ultimately, it probably doesn't make too big a difference on that front, though. Winnipeg will likely always be on teams "no thank you" lists.

In short, either player would be tough to lose and the Jets will likely expose the player they feel Seattle will have less interest in. Lots of talk that Francis will like his d-men in this ED, though . . .