To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.
- TheUltimateJet

there have been many players the Jets have reached out to and the agent said no interest and it stops there. to discuss terms and money you'd have to have two interested parties.

pro trump american Jones is not coming to Winnipeg

Might as well keep Stanley. He’s the only Stanley this team can get.

Might as well keep Stanley. He’s the only Stanley this team can get.
- Feds91Stammer

we won the stanley cup in 1901 and 1902. back when it meant something, or least a lot more than in the 90's when some pizza owner bought his cups in a non cap world. i think it came with extra cheese and bread sticks.

Of course it's not possible to "name" an NHL player who has turned down, say, a million bucks to play elsewhere rather than Wpg. You think a player is actually going to say " I turned down $8 million in Wpg to sign in Tampa Bay for $7 million."

No of course players aren't going to publlicly say that. They aren't stupid - there may come a time in their career that they are banging on Mr. Chelakdayoff's door looking for a job.

But seriously, you don't think this happens? Rather play in huge U.S. cities and warm weather climate? Thing is once players actually get here, most of them like it - and don't mind staying (delete J. Trouba's name from this list).

They find opportunity knocking and a good place to play!
- grahamzky

Do you seriously think the NHLPA and player agents would allow its membership to take less money cause they don’t want to play in Winnipeg?

Simple economics would suggest that they want their members to get the highest dollars to drive up prices across the board.

This is just simply small town insecure thinking!

there have been many players the Jets have reached out to and the agent said no interest and it stops there. to discuss terms and money you'd have to have two interested parties.

pro trump american Jones is not coming to Winnipeg
- Ross77

Names please!

In today’s social media world where everything gets out, I have not heard of one significant player in 10 years ever turning down significantly more money in Winnipeg to sign elsewhere.

Chevy really must love this narrative as it justifies him taking the summer off and season off as well.

Do you seriously think the NHLPA and player agents would allow its membership to take less money cause they don’t want to play in Winnipeg?

Simple economics would suggest that they want their members to get the highest dollars to drive up prices across the board.

This is just simply small town insecure thinking!
- TheUltimateJet

Do you seriously think that the NHL PA would force its players to play somewhere the player didn’t think they would be happy?

Do you seriously think that the NHL PA would force its players to play somewhere the player didn’t think they would be happy?
- 2.0

Yes I do. If the NHLPA thought Winnipeg was such a crappy place to play they would never have approved the relocation to Winnipeg.

Player agents, extended family members and I am think that Union dues are tied to a percentage of salary are all affected with what a player makes. This narrative that no one wants to play in Winnipeg is garbage.

I can see Winnipeg being on NTC’s and that’s because some one has to be there.

Also in all actuality how many months do players even spend here?

Simple logic my friend.

I actually think the narrative that is more scary is the one that Tim brought up on “Tim and Friends” and that is, “Winnipeg has a strong leadership group” where its challenging for new and young players to feel comfortable in the locker room. I think that would scare away most players from signing here than the actual geographical location.

Tim was specifically referring to Wheeler.

Yes I do. If the NHLPA thought Winnipeg was such a crappy place to play they would never have approved the relocation to Winnipeg.

Player agents, extended family members and I am think that Union dues are tied to a percentage of salary are all affected with what a player makes. This narrative that no one wants to play in Winnipeg is garbage.

I can see Winnipeg being on NTC’s and that’s because some one has to be there.

Also in all actuality how many months do players even spend here?

Simple logic my friend.
- TheUltimateJet

The NHLPA had any kind of say/vote as to whether Atlanta relocated to Winnipeg or not?

I find that very hard to believe, the players union can not force an ownership group to keep losing money just cause players prefer playing in some cities over others.

The NHLPA had any kind of say/vote as to whether Atlanta relocated to Winnipeg or not?

I find that very hard to believe, the players union can not force an ownership group to keep losing money just cause players prefer playing in some cities over others.
- JetFuel

NHLPA had to give approval for relocation. They have also had to give approval for the new expansion franchises.

Normally its just a rubber stamp, but approval is approval.

The NHLPA had any kind of say/vote as to whether Atlanta relocated to Winnipeg or not?

I find that very hard to believe, the players union can not force an ownership group to keep losing money just cause players prefer playing in some cities over others.
- JetFuel

Furthermore there are going to be 32 teams in the NHL next year. That means there are 640 players (starters) in the league. Outside of the 20 players that play in Winnipeg, there are 620 players left that don’t play for Winnipeg. The way that some on here speak about Winnipeg, it makes it seem that none of the 620 players want to play here.

Names please!

In today’s social media world where everything gets out, I have not heard of one significant player in 10 years ever turning down significantly more money in Winnipeg to sign elsewhere.

Chevy really must love this narrative as it justifies him taking the summer off and season off as well.
- TheUltimateJet

Spezza, jets went after Spezza years ago and he said no chance, it happens and it only gets on social media if the player or Chevy puts it there. and no player is that ignorant to post all the teams that called him that he said, why would i ever live there.

we already have a lack of right wingers, if the Apples gets claimed and we strike out in free agency, we should consider re signing Poolman on the cheap and making him a 3rd line right winger.

The NHLPA had any kind of say/vote as to whether Atlanta relocated to Winnipeg or not?

I find that very hard to believe, the players union can not force an ownership group to keep losing money just cause players prefer playing in some cities over others.
- JetFuel

The players union was very much in favour of the move to Winnipeg. Union representatives in the past like Toews and Panarin have also mentioned they are very much in favour of money losing teams (Phoenix/Florida) relacating as they are tired of having escrow removed from their contracts to subsidize unprofitable franchises. In the case of star players like them, they can have millions removed from their annual contracts to subsidize unprofitable teams.

Their has been an unbalance as not all revenues count as league revenues which then uses escrow as a tax to subsidize owner mismanagement. With team relocation to better hockey markets, the deductions for escrow on the paychecks will decrease.

It is also unfair that Winnipeg as a small market team which is in the black financially is also subsidizing teams like Arizona/Florida which is always in the red yet still has the perception of a more desirable free agent market location because of weather and lower taxes.

Do you seriously think the NHLPA and player agents would allow its membership to take less money cause they don’t want to play in Winnipeg?

Simple economics would suggest that they want their members to get the highest dollars to drive up prices across the board.

This is just simply small town insecure thinking!
- TheUltimateJet

No, this is just the way it is in life, son.

People/players go where they think they will be the happiest, $$$ certainly count but it's not everything. Opportunity, cost-of-living, lifestyle, income taxes, etc come into play.

Once you make, say, $6 mill in Florida, and, say, $7 mill in Wpg, I'm not sure whether the take home is all that different. I'd like to find out personally! lol

Spezza, jets went after Spezza years ago and he said no chance, it happens and it only gets on social media if the player or Chevy puts it there. and no player is that ignorant to post all the teams that called him that he said, why would i ever live there.
- Ross77

Spezza said no to all the Canadian teams at that time. This was mostly due to the press in Ottawa. It was not a uniquely Winnipeg situation. And, I know this because Spezza was my favourite hockey player. After Jets 1.0 left, I became a massive Senators fan.

I still love Jason Spezza.

The players union was very much in favour of the move to Winnipeg. Union representatives in the past like Toews and Panarin have also mentioned they are very much in favour of money losing teams (Phoenix/Florida) relacating as they are tired of having escrow removed from their contracts to subsidize unprofitable franchises. In the case of star players like them, they can have millions removed from their annual contracts to subsidize unprofitable teams.

Their has been an unbalance as not all revenues count as league revenues which then uses escrow as a tax to subsidize owner mismanagement. With team relocation to better hockey markets, the deductions for escrow on the paychecks will decrease.

It is also unfair that Winnipeg as a small market team which is in the black financially is also subsidizing teams like Arizona/Florida which is always in the red yet still has the perception of a more desirable free agent market location because of weather and lower taxes.
- Napolean-Mennonite

This

No, this is just the way it is in life, son.

People/players go where they think they will be the happiest, $$$ certainly count but it's not everything. Opportunity, cost-of-living, lifestyle, income taxes, etc come into play.

Once you make, say, $6 mill in Florida, and, say, $7 mill in Wpg, I'm not sure whether the take home is all that different. I'd like to find out personally! lol
- grahamzky

Okay dad, you must have missed out on your economics courses when you were in school.

there have been many players the Jets have reached out to and the agent said no interest and it stops there. to discuss terms and money you'd have to have two interested parties.

pro trump american Jones is not coming to Winnipeg
- Ross77

Oh? Giving it some more thought, you know Jones is signed for only one more year. It would be bad decision to bring him to Wpg.

Not sure he'll want to go to Philly either! Maybe Tampa Bay? Salary cap doesn't seem to pertain to them anyways. Just put another player in LTIR - until playoff time!

Okay dad, you must have missed out on your economics courses when you were in school.
- TheUltimateJet

So how are the courses going?

So how are the courses going?
- grahamzky

Going great! I am acing the course.

Would any of you guys do:

Andrew Copp for Sam Reinhardt?

I would do Ross’s trade of Copp for Patrick.

Would any of you guys do:

Andrew Copp for Sam Reinhardt?

I would do Ross’s trade of Copp for Patrick.
- TheUltimateJet

If Reinhardt would do five years for $6 mill a season, I would be all over Copp for Reinhardt. If Sam wants "considerably" more, then probably not. But food for thought!

Nolan Patrick, who seemingly wants out of Philly, is certainly another option worth considering. If Philly signs Hamilton (a possibility), then maybe Philly have excess d-men? I don't know, does Philly have well-known museums?

Spezza said no to all the Canadian teams at that time. This was mostly due to the press in Ottawa. It was not a uniquely Winnipeg situation. And, I know this because Spezza was my favourite hockey player. After Jets 1.0 left, I became a massive Senators fan.

I still love Jason Spezza.
- TheUltimateJet

Right, and that’s not uncommon. Saying no to all of Canada is still saying no to winnipeg no matter how much they want to pay.

Would any of you guys do:

Andrew Copp for Sam Reinhardt?

I would do Ross’s trade of Copp for Patrick.
- TheUltimateJet

In a heartbeat id do that, but Buffalo would want more I think