Sorry,I still wouldnt do a deal for nylander.I would still take the chance with a younger player over a player that plays one end of the ice and doesnt hit.
- Dewey8

Good we don't want the Kings to deal for Nylander. Would much rather keep the talented proven young player over lottery tickets thanks.

Sorry,I still wouldnt do a deal for nylander.I would still take the chance with a younger player over a player that plays one end of the ice and doesnt hit.
- Dewey8

Ugh, "trade Nylander" is the new "trade Kadri" that plagued this blog for a while. I get trading a player from the top 4, but it would be nice to speculate what a Marner deal would like like once in a while.

Trading Nylander for some mediocre prospects on their ELCs and trying to replace a 6-7 million dollar player with 4-5 million dollar player sounds much more risky than just keeping Nylander, especially since he's entering his prime.

I think Dubas adds someone significant without trading either.

Also think Dubas and Shanny really believe in Matthews and Marner. We are living or dying with those two.
- Santo_44

How do you fit someone "significant" into the cap without trading?

How do you fit someone "significant" into the cap without trading?
- Nasty_Duck

You really dont.
Its the media trying to drive up clicks

Leafs fans waiting for the cup?

- Symba007

That’s your girlfriend.

How do you fit someone "significant" into the cap without trading?
- Nasty_Duck

Freddie savings of $2 or 3M, Kerfoot? Of $3.5., some bits of UFAs at $1 or $1.5 being replaced with ELC guys. After you bring in a new goalie, there should be enough for one $3 or 4M guy plays a bit heavier than Kerfoot. If they’re thinking bigger, more significant, it’s Hyman doesn’t get resigned or someone is traded.

From a kings fans perspective,nylander is not a good fit for the kings.imo he doesnt play a 2 way game that would make him fit into our system.to me it doesnt make sense to trade away prospects that we have used high draft picks to get and developed that could become just as good as nylander.
- Dewey8

Do you like Marner.

I’m listening to it now 🤣
- Garnie

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Robertson Tavares Marner
Engvall Foligno Mikheyev (FEM)
Galchenyuk Brooks Spezza
Anderson

Wodsie’s prediction.

Next season starts and Mitchy is on fire. Everyone jumps back on the MM Train, with many saying, “I told you so.”

There are multiple teams who are living in cap Hell. There are a similar number of teams who have managed to create substantial cap space. People make the assumption that these two solitudes will come together somewhere in the middle to balance off the extremes.

I'm not so sure. I think for the first time teams are beginning to strategically use their cap space in a much more assertive way than they have in the past. Cap space is being weaponized. Carolina's decision to let Dougie Hamilton see if he can find a better deal with another club is a great example of how the teams with problematic cap issues are going to get played.

If, for example, the Leafs have an interest in Hamilton (or, even more so, in the case of Jones), how can they even begin to act on it?

Good we don't want the Kings to deal for Nylander. Would much rather keep the talented proven young player over lottery tickets thanks.
- Santo_44

Especially ones that we would have to sign to overpriced contracts by the time Matthews deal is done.

There are multiple teams who are living in cap Hell. There are a similar number of teams who have managed to create substantial cap space. People make the assumption that these two solitudes will come together somewhere in the middle to balance off the extremes.

I'm not so sure. I think for the first time teams are beginning to strategically use their cap space in a much more assertive way than they have in the past. Cap space is being weaponized. Carolina's decision to let Dougie Hamilton see if he can find a better deal with another club is a great example of how the teams with problematic cap issues are going to get played.

If, for example, the Leafs have an interest in Hamilton (or, even more so, in the case of Jones), how can they even begin to act on it?
- spatso

They pick up the phone and talk about a number that makes sense for the Leafs. Hamilton can decide whether it makes sense for him.

Don't overthink this. Dubas and Pridham aren't going to castrate themselves for Dougie's services.

Wodsie’s prediction.

Next season starts and Mitchy is on fire. Everyone jumps back on the MM Train, with many saying, “I told you so.”
- Woderwick

Nah... Mitch would need to prove he can perform in the playoffs before "everyone" jumps fully aboard the MM Train again.

Wodsie’s prediction.

Next season starts and Mitchy is on fire. Everyone jumps back on the MM Train, with many saying, “I told you so.”
- Woderwick

Until the playoffs.

Wodsie’s prediction.

Next season starts and Mitchy is on fire. Everyone jumps back on the MM Train, with many saying, “I told you so.”
- Woderwick

Of course I will cheer for him again.

The only reason i want to trade Marner is because I think he can get us a good return, and we can replace him with a lesser (but also cheaper) player.

We can then use the additional cap savings to increase the depth.

Marner's problem is that he makes too much money and has disappeared in the post season far too often.

There are multiple teams who are living in cap Hell. There are a similar number of teams who have managed to create substantial cap space. People make the assumption that these two solitudes will come together somewhere in the middle to balance off the extremes.

I'm not so sure. I think for the first time teams are beginning to strategically use their cap space in a much more assertive way than they have in the past. Cap space is being weaponized. Carolina's decision to let Dougie Hamilton see if he can find a better deal with another club is a great example of how the teams with problematic cap issues are going to get played.

If, for example, the Leafs have an interest in Hamilton (or, even more so, in the case of Jones), how can they even begin to act on it?
- spatso

That was a lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing.

Not even sure what your point is.

Marner is a better player then Nylander but not 4 million dollars better, imho. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to trade a good contract when 3 players make up over 33 million already. Leafs need to keep the good contract because of the bad ones

Nylander = good playoff performer/good value/low cap hit

Marner = TERRIBLE playoff performer/bad value/high cap hit


Trade Nylander

It's not that complicated. Mitch is a great player, no doubt, but not the type of player that can be a difference maker in the playoffs. That kills his value for me. If we didn't have to deal with the Cap hit going forward, $6.3/year actual value....I'd say keep him. But it's not, it's almost $11m on the Cap.

Greed never wins.

Marner Weaknesses:
-weak on his skates
-can't take or give a hit
-soft stick
-too much finesse not enough grind
-weak shot
-easily intimidated
-bad on the PP...more cuz he has zero threat of shooting

Marner Strengths:
-great passer
-unpredictable when there is a lot of space on the ice...which is not in the playoffs
-good on the PK


It's a crappy thought for some of you but this team can only be built properly if Marner is traded.

Then use the money for Hamilton or Savard and trade Rielly for a bad ass winger. If Holl gets taken in the expansion, get them both cuz Marner's money is gone. If Kerfoot gets taken, use the money to get Jenner.

Then let Freddy go and use that money to fill out the roster.

Then let Engvall go and use that money to celebrate short necks. He's the most useless player on this roster, especially because of his size and how he doesn't use it. (He's afraid of whiplash apparently)

Do you like Marner.
- jribout

How do you not like marner,hes an elite passer and playmaker,but not at the salary dubas signed him to.i believe he and Matthews are both overpaid.i realize they had to be paid but to pay them both that kind of money before they even won a single playoff series is what is handcuffing the hell out of the leafs now.(also Tavares contract)

I would honestly love the kings to keep all the kids we've drafted and are starting to crack the nhl roster.i believe in about 3-4 yrs we could be back in the hunt for playoffs spots.perfect timing to have kopitar at 3c and doughty 2nd pairing still showing the kids how to compete.

Nylander = good playoff performer/good value/low cap hit

Marner = TERRIBLE playoff performer/bad value/high cap hit


Trade Nylander

It's not that complicated. Mitch is a great player, no doubt, but not the type of player that can be a difference maker in the playoffs. That kills his value for me. If we didn't have to deal with the Cap hit going forward, $6.3/year actual value....I'd say keep him. But it's not, it's almost $11m on the Cap.

Greed never wins.

Marner Weaknesses:
-weak on his skates
-can't take or give a hit
-soft stick
-too much finesse not enough grind
-weak shot
-easily intimidated
-bad on the PP...more cuz he has zero threat of shooting

Marner Strengths:
-great passer
-unpredictable when there is a lot of space on the ice...which is not in the playoffs
-good on the PK


It's a crappy thought for some of you but this team can only be built properly if Marner is traded.

Then use the money for Hamilton or Savard and trade Rielly for a bad ass winger. If Holl gets taken in the expansion, get them both cuz Marner's money is gone. If Kerfoot gets taken, use the money to get Jenner.

Then let Freddy go and use that money to fill out the roster.

Then let Engvall go and use that money to celebrate short necks. He's the most useless player on this roster, especially because of his size and how he doesn't use it. (He's afraid of whiplash apparently)
- underhill14

So….. you are saying Jenner and Savard ✔️

Might as well grab one of CBJ goalies too
Kivlenieks

Freddie savings of $2 or 3M, Kerfoot? Of $3.5., some bits of UFAs at $1 or $1.5 being replaced with ELC guys. After you bring in a new goalie, there should be enough for one $3 or 4M guy plays a bit heavier than Kerfoot. If they’re thinking bigger, more significant, it’s Hyman doesn’t get resigned or someone is traded.
- Canada Cup

Guess we have different definitions for "significant".

Guess we have different definitions for "significant".

- Nasty_Duck

Or reading. Bringing in a $3.5 or 4M guy is the most straightforward scenario and easiest way to change things up. I agree they can only do something significant if they move out big money from a big contract. I think a lot hinges on whether they believe they can extend Rielly at a number they like.

So….. you are saying Jenner and Savard ✔️

Might as well grab one of CBJ goalies too
Kivlenieks
- mr.sir

UFA coming out of Tampa now.

Sign Savard or Hamilton or Jones

Then Rielly for Jenner and a Tender! (both have one year left until UFA)

Then Marner for Tkachuk = savings of $2.9M.

Who says no? (Calgary )