1. What I say (in that link and before) is not a hypothesis. It is not an opinion. It is data. It has occurred. I am just pointing it out. What do you mean you disagree?

2. Even if you "disagree", explain to me how I (or anyone else I am aware of) has ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars in the playoffs?

Forgive me for being honest but intemperate, but everything you say confirms the accuracy of my initial statement.
- PT21

I think a team needs to draft and develop consistently to become and sustain being a successful hockey team. I do not believe that you need to be bad for an extended period of time to get good.

You believe you need to have top picks in the first round before becoming a successful team. You believe in trading away top (Coots) players for future assets. For every example you provide there are two that refute that example.

Some how what you say is empirical fact. Somehow what I say is moronic.

You are entitled to your opinion. But understand that is all that it is. Same as mine.

Dont know if it was brought up yet, too lazy to back read but CAR has given Hamilton permission to talk with teams for a Sign and Trade to get the 8 year term

Dont know if it was brought up yet, too lazy to back read but CAR has given Hamilton permission to talk with teams for a Sign and Trade to get the 8 year term
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I’d rather not be involved with this guy, for such a good player he has bounced around too much but I’ll be curious to see what kind of trade it takes.

I’d rather not be involved with this guy, for such a good player he has bounced around too much but I’ll be curious to see what kind of trade it takes.
- ClaudeFather

From what I remember, Boston locker room disliked him because he wanted to do some activities alone like visit museums lol. As for Calgary, If I'm remembering correctly he grew sour over them trading or cutting his brother?

I'm curious what would Hamilton cost for his rights or a sign and trade... Hayes was had for 5th and he was arguably the top or 2nd UFA center that summer.

2. Even if you "disagree", explain to me how I (or anyone else I am aware of) has ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars in the playoffs?


- PT21

To my knowledge, no one has stated that you have ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars. From my point of view you have not accounted for how many teams with elite players, including 3 by my account on the Avs have failed to win and why they've failed into your premise. That is also data that has to be accounted for.

I’d rather not be involved with this guy, for such a good player he has bounced around too much but I’ll be curious to see what kind of trade it takes.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, 8 years with good success and he’s looking to move to his 4th team? With at the very least his first and most recent teams appearing to be a nice fit?

I’d love his production, but somethings up. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Especially if we’re talking an 8 year deal with no 1st hand knowledge of him in Orange

I think a team needs to draft and develop consistently to become and sustain being a successful hockey team. I do not believe that you need to be bad for an extended period of time to get good.

You believe you need to have top picks in the first round before becoming a successful team. You believe in trading away top (Coots) players for future assets. For every example you provide there are two that refute that example.

Some how what you say is empirical fact. Somehow what I say is moronic.

You are entitled to your opinion. But understand that is all that it is. Same as mine.
- mickel25

Well said!

From what I remember, Boston locker room disliked him because he wanted to do some activities alone like visit museums lol. As for Calgary, If I'm remembering correctly he grew sour over them trading or cutting his brother?

I'm curious what would Hamilton cost for his rights or a sign and trade... Hayes was had for 5th and he was arguably the top or 2nd UFA center that summer.
- arichardson22

He was 2nd best UFA I believe that was the same year Duchene was UFA. C pool was dry that offseason

I’d rather not be involved with this guy, for such a good player he has bounced around too much but I’ll be curious to see what kind of trade it takes.
- ClaudeFather

Yea, that kind of doesn't make sense. Teams keep moving on from a very good player.

I think a team needs to draft and develop consistently to become and sustain being a successful hockey team. I do not believe that you need to be bad for an extended period of time to get good.

You believe you need to have top picks in the first round before becoming a successful team. You believe in trading away top (Coots) players for future assets. For every example you provide there are two that refute that example.

Some how what you say is empirical fact. Somehow what I say is moronic.

You are entitled to your opinion. But understand that is all that it is. Same as mine.
- mickel25

We are departing now from the precise nature of today's exchange, and lapsing back into something we have already discussed before in detail. No value added there, I believe. Especially because it has no bearing whatsoever on the match-up between Avs and VGK.

Today you made a statement that was a thinly veiled potshot implying that someone, some time, has suggested that an occurrence like Vegas defeating the Avs would be impossible.

Now you tell me who, when, where.

He was 2nd best UFA I believe that was the same year Duchene was UFA. C pool was dry that offseason
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

back to back seasons signing top UFAs (JVR, Hayes) yet no one wants to play here

I know Hayes was traded for but he opted to not test free agency and sign with us

We are departing now from the precise nature of today's exchange, and lapsing back into something we have already discussed before in detail. No value added there, I believe. Especially because it has no bearing whatsoever on the match-up between Avs and VGK.

Today you made a statement that was a thinly veiled potshot implying that someone, some time, has suggested that an occurrence like Vegas defeating the Avs would be unlikely or even impossible.

Now you tell me who, when, where.
- PT21

So he's outside of the scope?

Id rather make some hockey trades to change the culture, to me there are zero untouchables on this team, actually the most untouchable players to me all have under 108 games played, or even zero games, everyone else it fair game.
- bradster

I absolutely agree for the right deal there are no untouchables on this team.

I don't think Hamilton's past should be that big of a concern with Boston and Calgary.
He was just a kid during his time with Boston and Idk if he ever wanted to be in Calgary. Based on his teammates' comments in Carolina he is well-liked and recognized as key part of their team. Players change and mature in their careers.

We are departing now from the precise nature of today's exchange, and lapsing back into something we have already discussed before in detail. No value added there, I believe. Especially because it has no bearing whatsoever on the match-up between Avs and VGK.

Today you made a statement that was a thinly veiled potshot implying that someone, some time, has suggested that an occurrence like Vegas defeating the Avs would be impossible.

Now you tell me who, when, where.
- PT21

You think that someone was you? I must say that I am shocked you made it about you. That seems to be so off brand for you.

For the record, I was agreeing with MJL's statement. You did not come into the conversation until you imposed yourself.

Actually there was a lot hype around York. But regardless of what if any hype there was, the fact is now we have seen all 3 players play at a professional hockey level and play well. Reality overrides hype any day of the week!
- jd250

Sure, and I hope as much as you do they turn out to be studs. I would like to gently point out the following though:

1. The sample set is way too small.
2. Playing well doesn't get you the cup. Other teams have players who play well too.
2. Almost all outside opinions value those players as mid to upper-mid prospects, but not at the top.

2. Even if you "disagree", explain to me how I (or anyone else I am aware of) has ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars in the playoffs?


- PT21


To my knowledge, no one has stated that you have ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars. From my point of view you have not accounted for how many teams with elite players, including 3 by my account on the Avs have failed to win and why they've failed into your premise. That is also data that has to be accounted for.
-MJL

From my perspective, though the odds are truly better you will get an impact player picking in the top 5 in most draft years, you can do just fine picking 14th and building a team with players like York and Farabee. To me its the type of player that matters more. Its absolutely true I can find a fast, skilled and/or tough player in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. And I can trade for or sign such players if I manage my assets and cap space correctly. Thus what matters more IMO is the overall organizational philosophy and the proper management of assets. Too many teams, like Buffalo, have the wrong organizational vision and do a poor job managing their assets and cap space, thus they remain pitiful season after season, even though they draft in the top 10 or better every single year.

You think that someone was you? I must say that I am shocked you made it about you. That seems to be so off brand for you.

For the record, I was agreeing with MJL's statement. You did not come into the conversation until you imposed yourself.
- mickel25

Don't be so defensive. Just b/c I called you a moron doesn't mean I am upset in the slightest.

Here is the original post, accompanied by appropriate crotch shot. I am not interested in MJL's motivation, just yours.



Tell me then, if not me, who has ever said what you are gently but sarcastically putting down?

Sure, and I hope as much as you do they turn out to be studs. I would like to gently point out the following though:

1. The sample set is way too small.
2. Playing well doesn't get you the cup. Other teams have players who play well too.
2. Almost all outside opinions value those players as mid to upper-mid prospects, but not at the top.
- PT21

1. very true, the sample size is not even close to large enough
2. good players that play the "system" well get you into the top 4, that is all you ask for if you want a chance to win. See Montreal and the Islanders for examples.
3. Outside opinions mean nothing now, since these players are demonstrating at a professional level they are top prospects.

back to back seasons signing top UFAs (JVR, Hayes) yet no one wants to play here

I know Hayes was traded for but he opted to not test free agency and sign with us
- arichardson22

WE HAD TO OVERPAY. WE ARE NOT A DESTINATION ANYMORE.

Opposing college coach about Wade Allison:


Elite prospect comment on Tyson Foerster:


Elite prospect comments on Cameron York:


All of this we have seen with our own eyes at the AHL or NHL level. Not sure what these players will become, but clearly these three have the potential to be game changing stars, along with Joel Farabee. Add Morgan Frost and Jay O'Brien as well. There is a lot coming up and here already.
- jd250

Game changing stars???..those kind of prospect comments are made about 100 different players every year. Lets just hope a few on them become contributing NHL players

Yea, that kind of doesn't make sense. Teams keep moving on from a very good player.
- MJL

Huge right shot, on the first PP, always involved on offense, and no one wants him for long. It just doesn’t add up.

WE HAD TO OVERPAY. WE ARE NOT A DESTINATION ANYMORE.
- Ftown19125

True. Didn't hayes say as much?

Let me know when the Flyers sign a elite level free agent. My bad JVR and Hayes fit the bill. Take a walk.

Yeah, 8 years with good success and he’s looking to move to his 4th team? With at the very least his first and most recent teams appearing to be a nice fit?

I’d love his production, but somethings up. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Especially if we’re talking an 8 year deal with no 1st hand knowledge of him in Orange
- Hesh_

Yea, too many questions for me to hand him a 7-8 year contract.

Yea, that kind of doesn't make sense. Teams keep moving on from a very good player.
- MJL

I dont think its really about teams moving on from him.

Boston traded him because they couldnt come to an agreement on a new contract.

Flames seemed to deal him because of personality issues however I have heard nothing but nice things about Hamilton. He has been described as quiet, introverted, shy and kind of keeps to himself. Now another thing that has been said that when the team goes out for dinner and does group things, he doesnt participate and goes off and does his own thing. Maybe that rubs people the wrong way?

I suspect the change from Carolina is his own choice. I think he's told CAR that he will be testing FA and CAR is trying to get something out of it