Landeskog said that about the Flyers?

He probably said that about the AVS. You know the team that is a top contender in the NHL and hasn't advanced past the second round. What is your fixation with the second round?

So the captain of the AVS is not resigning there because he is "tired of waiting"? He might be able to console himself in the fact they lost to the champs if VGK wins the cup.
- mickel25

No not about the flyers

And who was it, you moron, who ever said anything to the contrary?
- PT21

Might start flagging things like this since I was suspended for something along these lines

Agree with you on what? If offered a crap ton more they likely come to the flyers? Then yes

Again it has nothing to do with Carolina being a destination. I do not think Hamilton will come to philly because the state of the team and franchise. Same i dont think any top free agent will.

Did you see what Landekog said, at least I think it was him. Something along the lines of every year its about next year. I want to win. tired of waiting.
- hello it's me 2050

This was stated by Nathan MacKinnon about his current team, and should be taken with a grain of salt, he had just lost a grueling series to Vegas when he said it.

And who was it, you moron, who ever said anything to the contrary?
- PT21

"moron"? Seems like a small word from such an intelli.......oh wait?

It was Mackinnon. About Avs.

Their young defense capitulated under playoff pressure. They are exceedingly young. Graves, Towes are like 26 or so and Makar and Girard are like 23. Bowens and Timmins are upcoming.
- PT21

And Grubauer didn't help much by thinking the puck was in the corner instead of at the point, and completely missing the shot. That was probably one of the worst goalie gaffs I have ever seen, and given the timing of it, mid 1st period in game 6 with Colorado up early and setting the tone, it was a complete killer for them.

Bill, when you mentioned Behn Wilson and Ken Linseman I thought of two talented players who were generally unpleasant and difficult to play against. I loved 'em. It's an element, besides overall talent, that the Flyers are missing.

After watching the Islanders/Bolts game yesterday, I’m even more of the mind of preferring Barzel over Couturier any day of the week. This is Barzel’s second final four in a row, at a very young age and he’s leading the charge. That’s young Giroux like stuff right there.
- SuperSchennBros

The floodgates opened after a new poster called Crush It Like me (*wink) posted Barzal's stats, which were then meh (4A in 8 games, iirc).

He is playing on a line with the worst player on any top 6 playoff team (Komarov), and a decentish but no better player in Eberle. Yet, every single time he steps on the ice, he looks dangerous.

A poster I respect a lot here, (Mr. Buzzcut) asked the following question after our playoff exit last year: "do we have a single player that scares anybody?"

The answer was no, ofc. I would ay Barzal is the type of player who scares opponents.

All the elite players that the Avs have, how could this have happened? They lost to the better two way team and the apparently "non elite" Mark Stone.
- MJL

But you have to admit the Aves are on the right course and their core players are only going to get better. Maybe need an upgrade in net.

Somewhat bad trade in and of itself:

+: Told us what sort of stability might be needed for Provorov (informational value)
-: inadequate in playoffs, probably worsened our draft position by 10 places in meaningless regular season.
- PT21

Every good defenseman needs a good partner to make an effective defense pairing especially a top pairing. Very few defenseman in the NHL can carry a top pairing without a high level partner. Even if we pretend what you state there is true, which is not, that has no bearing on the value of the trade. The Flyers traded a lesser player for a better player and did not give up any future assets. Nor did they tie up any long term future in cap space for an older player. The playoffs was a small sample size of games. By any measure it was a really good hockey trade made by Fletcher. It's exactly the kind of trade that Fletcher should be looking to make now although I don't think he has the right assets for that kind of deal.

But you have to admit the Aves are on the right course and their core players are only going to get better. Maybe need an upgrade in net.
- jd250

Without question but again, the focus is on team and not just the elite players. That is the fly in the oin(p)tment.

Yes they are. If it was just Couturier, I would say ok maybe not. But Couts +Hayes, and their age, and the absence of a true upcoming game changing type star in the horizon, makes alternative paths very improbable.
- PT21

Opposing college coach about Wade Allison:

I think Wade took his game to a different level. He was dangerous every time he touched the puck, it didn’t matter who he was playing with. He was always dangerous on the power play, but I think he was more dangerous every time this year. When we played them, he was making something happen — more of that power forward, taking things to the net, a noticeable player and a dangerous player. It just seemed that he was at a different level this year for me.

Elite prospect comment on Tyson Foerster:

He's most comfortable setting up shop at the top of the left face-off circle, taking cross-ice feeds, and one-timing them on net with power. He sets up his feeds really well, scanning the ice for where his target will be, looking on the pass and threatening to shoot. He's got one of the best shots in the draft, can see the ice well, and possesses plus-defensive instincts.

Elite prospect comments on Cameron York:

A highly skilled defenseman. York has impressive hockey sense and his overall skill level is high. Furthermore, he is very mobile, has a good passing game and a quick release. Defensively he is solid with an active stick and strong positioning.

All of this we have seen with our own eyes at the AHL or NHL level. Not sure what these players will become, but clearly these three have the potential to be game changing stars, along with Joel Farabee. Add Morgan Frost and Jay O'Brien as well. There is a lot coming up and here already.

"moron"? Seems like a small word from such an intelli.......oh wait?
- mickel25

1. Dude, its not my fault that you don't understand how elementary probability works, and the fact that getting 3 heads in a row is not a refutation of the fact that the coin is unbiased and that heads and tails are actually equally likely to occur.

2. Its hardly my fault that you don't get it after 25 explanations of this elementary fact within the span of months.

3. Nor is it my fault that my observation (which is neither a theory nor a hypothesis, but just an empirical fact) was restricted to ultimate SC winners, and that too was qualified by saying it happened in most, almost all cases (but not all).

4. Btw, and this is an aside, you also have this charmingly incorrect notion of how intelligent and educated people converse/behave, something straight out of Victorian times or something. You should read more or socialize more.

5. So, yeah, no hard feelings, but a moron on merit, based on due evidence.

The floodgates opened after a new poster called Crush It Like me (*wink) posted Barzal's stats, which were then meh (4A in 8 games, iirc).

He is playing on a line with the worst player on any top 6 playoff team (Komarov), and a decentish but no better player in Eberle. Yet, every single time he steps on the ice, he looks dangerous.

A poster I respect a lot here, (Mr. Buzzcut) asked the following question after our playoff exit last year: "do we have a single player that scares anybody?"

The answer was no, ofc. I would ay Barzal is the type of player who scares opponents.
- PT21

Barzal is a pretty good player but he is overrated by many.

1. Dude, its not my fault that you don't understand how elementary probability works, and the fact that getting 3 heads in a row is not a refutation of the fact that the coin is unbiased and that heads and tails are actually equally likely to occur.

2. Its hardly my fault that you don't get it after 25 explanations of this elementary fact within the span of months.

3. Nor is it my fault that my observation (which is neither a theory nor a hypothesis, but just an empirical fact) was restricted to ultimate SC winners, and that too was qualified by saying it happened in most, almost all cases (but not all).

4. Btw, and this is an aside, you also have this charmingly incorrect notion of how intelligent and educated people converse/behave, something straight out of Victorian times or something. You should read more or socialize more.

5. So, yeah, no hard feelings, but a moron on merit, based on due evidence.
- PT21

Here is where you have gone wrong. If you had just kept your premise to the empirical fact that the best way to acquire elite top level players is with a high pick (top 5) player in the draft, you'd have been correct in that. However you continuously try to make it more that that despite how much evidence points to the contrary. Your only focus has been on teams that have won with high draft pick elite players while ignoring two main elements. Ignoring the support players around them and the makeup of the entire team. While also ignoring how may teams with high level top 5 elite talent don't win the cup and what that tells you. Every time someone makes a solid point in rebuttal to you, you either "limit the scope" or worse, reply as you have here. You then base the Flyers fortunes strictly on one element rather than a team as a whole. It's just not sound hockey analysis.

And Grubauer didn't help much by thinking the puck was in the corner instead of at the point, and completely missing the shot. That was probably one of the worst goalie gaffs I have ever seen, and given the timing of it, mid 1st period in game 6 with Colorado up early and setting the tone, it was a complete killer for them.
- jd250

†hat was a nice piece of commentary by Babcock and Sharp, actually. The reason he thought that was b/c of a fake reverse by a Vegas Dman. Not completely excusing him, but it can happen.

He finished the series with a .901 sv %. Not stellar, but given how many goals came off turnovers, its not all his fault.


Btw, those snippets you posted from Elite Prospects hardly prove upcoming star potential. Could it happen? Sure, but chances do seem low. No external observer of repute I know of considers them an upcoming star.

1. Dude, its not my fault that you don't understand how elementary probability works, and the fact that getting 3 heads in a row is not a refutation of the fact that the coin is unbiased and that heads and tails are actually equally likely to occur.

2. Its hardly my fault that you don't get it after 25 explanations of this elementary fact within the span of months.

3. Nor is it my fault that my observation (which is neither a theory nor a hypothesis, but just an empirical fact) was restricted to ultimate SC winners, and that too was qualified by saying it happened in most, almost all cases (but not all).

4. Btw, and this is an aside, you also have this charmingly incorrect notion of how intelligent and educated people converse/behave, something straight out of Victorian times or something. You should read more or socialize more.

5. So, yeah, no hard feelings, but a moron on merit, based on due evidence.
- PT21

You mentioned empirical fact. Can you provide the link to that?

Also, an additional aside for everyone, please notice the escalation after I questioned PT21's intelligence. "Doth protest too much methinks", or something less moronic. #amirite

But see, this is a different year. Teams have not been able to see these players play live in several months, so the draft this year is even more of a crap shoot than in past years. The Flyers have enough prospects right now, they need players who can play. And I still want them to draft and develop players, but I think they can afford to give up 1 first round pick (which is outside of the top 10) to improve the big club now.
- jd250

The draft this year with some players not really playing also means there is a chance someone could fall to 13th that wouldn't normally fall. So it could be more valuable to keep high picks, to can go either way.

†hat was a nice piece of commentary by Babcock and Sharp, actually. The reason he thought that was b/c of a fake reverse by a Vegas Dman. Not completely excusing him, but it can happen.

He finished the series with a .901 sv %. Not stellar, but given how many goals came off turnovers, its not all his fault.


Btw, those snippets you posted from Elite Prospects hardly prove upcoming star potential. Could it happen? Sure, but chances do seem low. No external observer of repute I know of considers them an upcoming star.
- PT21

Actually there was a lot hype around York. But regardless of what if any hype there was, the fact is now we have seen all 3 players play at a professional hockey level and play well. Reality overrides hype any day of the week!

†hat was a nice piece of commentary by Babcock and Sharp, actually. The reason he thought that was b/c of a fake reverse by a Vegas Dman. Not completely excusing him, but it can happen.

He finished the series with a .901 sv %. Not stellar, but given how many goals came off turnovers, its not all his fault.


Btw, those snippets you posted from Elite Prospects hardly prove upcoming star potential. Could it happen? Sure, but chances do seem low. No external observer of repute I know of considers them an upcoming star.
- PT21

EDIT: By the way, remember that Patrick Roy gaffe against the Devils in the SC finals? Or Hextall letting in the Lemiuex goal? Worst gaffe?

But you have to admit the Aves are on the right course and their core players are only going to get better. Maybe need an upgrade in net.
- jd250

The Av’s have drafted well….the Av’s have made some very good trades….their management has been superior to the Flyers for sometime. They are a fun product to watch.

You mentioned empirical fact. Can you provide the link to that?

Also, an additional aside for everyone, please notice the escalation after I questioned PT21's intelligence. "Doth protest too much methinks", or something less moronic. #amirite
- mickel25

The link is essentially every single week of this blog post last season's playoffs. I say largely the same thing, over and over again.

Here is my 100th iteration of the same, just 2 days ago:
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=173038&page=4


I believe my epithet preceded your questioning of my intelligence.

Instead of focusing on my protestations, look instead at whether my initial descriptor was warranted by the available facts.

The draft this year with some players not really playing also means there is a chance someone could fall to 13th that wouldn't normally fall. So it could be more valuable to keep high picks, to can go either way.
- bradster

True, but the Flyers have to do something, and to do something significant they are going to have to give up something also. I would rather give up the 13th pick in the draft than young players like Allison or Foerster who have shown they can play.

The link is essentially every single week of this blog post last season's playoffs. I say largely the same thing, over and over again.

Here is my 100th iteration of the same, just 2 days ago:
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=173038&page=4


I believe my epithet preceded your questioning of my intelligence.

Instead of focusing on my protestations, look instead at whether my initial descriptor was warranted by the available facts.
- PT21

Your argument is warranted the same as mine. I have repeated my stance as well. We simply disagree.

You took the first step down the road today fella.

Your argument is warranted the same as mine. I have repeated my stance as well. We simply disagree.

You took the first step down the road today fella.
- mickel25

1. What I say (in that link and before) is not a hypothesis. It is not an opinion. It is data. It has occurred. I am just pointing it out. What do you mean you disagree?

2. Even if you "disagree", explain to me how I (or anyone else I am aware of) has ever said that teams with more stars always defeat teams with less stars in the playoffs?

Forgive me for being honest but intemperate, but everything you say confirms the accuracy of my initial statement.

True, but the Flyers have to do something, and to do something significant they are going to have to give up something also. I would rather give up the 13th pick in the draft than young players like Allison or Foerster who have shown they can play.
- jd250

Id rather make some hockey trades to change the culture, to me there are zero untouchables on this team, actually the most untouchable players to me all have under 108 games played, or even zero games, everyone else it fair game.