They trade prospects to "add" players not just to get "rid" of players. Adding prospects to trades to rid yourself of players is not a good practice. Making hockey trades that include prospects can lead to improvement.
- mickel25

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to me that depends on what the move is......lets say you had to add a guy like Frost to move a bad contract....but the next day you are able to trade for a guy like Seth Jones and pay him accordingly, then to me that's OK.....I agree the Flyers have some "difficult" contracts....But Vorecek is still a decent player as is JVR.....it's not like Skinner or Okposo contracts.

The point I'm making here is people complain about our prospects not being good enough, yet expect other teams to want them in a trade while also taking on a bad contract. The math doesn't add up

I am all for trading our 1st rounder this year if we can get defensive help or scoring winger. Mainly D-man though.
- arichardson22

My bad.... that's not what I thought you said. That I agree with.

This was posted April 14, 2021....sounds like he likes the teams forwards makeup but he's looking for that top pairing dman.

https://www.nbcsports.com...se-he-was-too-comfortable
- DraftandDestroy

For whatever it's worth, Elliotte Friedman in his 31 thoughts linked us to Jones:

"I'm sure he would probably be very interested in going to a place like Dallas or Colorado because he's got attachments to those places; I just don't know if I see the fit. The one team I wonder about right now is Philly: a. They can do it. And b. I wonder how Jones feels about that. That's one of the teams I look at right now and say I would not be shocked at all if he ends up there."

Jones also has attachment to Philly. His dad works for the 76ers

For whatever it's worth, Elliotte Friedman in his 31 thoughts linked us to Jones:

"I'm sure he would probably be very interested in going to a place like Dallas or Colorado because he's got attachments to those places; I just don't know if I see the fit. The one team I wonder about right now is Philly: a. They can do it. And b. I wonder how Jones feels about that. That's one of the teams I look at right now and say I would not be shocked at all if he ends up there."

Jones also has attachment to Philly. His dad works for the 76ers
- arichardson22

Hurricanes reportedly give Dougie Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL teams

Dougie Hamilton will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, and it appears he might not return to the Carolina Hurricanes.

According to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman, Carolina has given Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL clubs, which opens up the possibility of a sign-and-trade.

The Hurricanes tried to re-sign Hamilton before the 2020-21 campaign began, his agent told the Raleigh News and Observer, but it didn't work out, and the two sides decided to table contract discussions until after the season.

Hamilton is coming off a six-year, $34.5 million deal he signed as a member of the Calgary Flames in 2015. It's unclear if he'll be searching for a similar deal in free agency.

Although the Hurricanes are allowing him to scope out the market, it appears his teammates want him to return next season. During his exit interview, Jaccob Slavin said Hamilton has been a "huge part" of Carolina's success and he wants him back in 2021-22 and beyond.

The 27-year-old has flourished in two seasons with the Hurricanes, notching 42 goals and 121 points in 184 games. He'll be highly sought after by teams looking for a right-shot offensive defenseman.

This was posted April 14, 2021....sounds like he likes the teams forwards makeup but he's looking for that top pairing dman.

https://www.nbcsports.com...se-he-was-too-comfortable
- DraftandDestroy

Then I guess he had better hope a lot of players rebound and turn things around....I think he gets a pass this year...you can't keep firing guys after one bad season. But if this team doesn't show a vast improvement and he chose for a second year not to do anything about it....then Flecther won't be here for the 2022 draft.

We have accumulated picks and prospects but most claim they don't move the needle. I personally don't think we should trade a guy say like Tyson Foerester, Wade Allison, or York. Would I trade guys like JOB or Ratcliffe? Yes, but what value do they even have? With point 3, if we lost JVR and Jake we may as well tear the whole damn thing down, which we all know Comcast is not willing to do. Imo, our biggest downfall this season was penciling in younger guys like NAK, Sanheim, Myers, Patrick (to an extent) to improve or take on more responsibly and we all saw how that worked. The only young guy who really met and exceeded expectations was Joel Farabee.
- arichardson22

IMO I don't see any nhl stars but some potentially good players in terms of prospects and "young" guys. They have value. The positon the Flyers are in right now is they will have to trade the ones you don't want to if they are to go for it so to speak. If that is the choice they make I don't agree as they are to far off imo.

Well why wouldn't you count in Sanheim? He should have bene counted on. The others i agree to an extent though NAK is irrelevant.

I think we all can agree they are not tearing anything down in any way. Not with this GM and coahcing stff.

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to me that depends on what the move is......lets say you had to add a guy like Frost to move a bad contract....but the next day you are able to trade for a guy like Seth Jones and pay him accordingly, then to me that's OK.....I agree the Flyers have some "difficult" contracts....But Vorecek is still a decent player as is JVR.....it's not like Skinner or Okposo contracts.
- landros 2

The Flyers don't really have any "terrible" contracts. Voracek is tougher to trade due to the flat cap. But not impossible to trade. So, if they added an asset to get Seattle to take him I would be ok with that. I do not like adding assets to trades to rid yourself of players as a regular practice though.

JVR's guaranteed 25 goals is really tradable. They might need to eat $1-2mil to get it done but I am fine with that. That's just money. He also has one more year after this year. That's not longterm.

Then I guess he had better hope a lot of players rebound and turn things around....I think he gets a pass this year...you can't keep firing guys after one bad season. But if this team doesn't show a vast improvement and he chose for a second year not to do anything about it....then Flecther won't be here for the 2022 draft.
- landros 2

I would like to see the organization makes some NHL hockey trades, use whatever means you have at your disposal to make the team younger, faster and more entertaining.

Hurricanes reportedly give Dougie Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL teams

Dougie Hamilton will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, and it appears he might not return to the Carolina Hurricanes.

According to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman, Carolina has given Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL clubs, which opens up the possibility of a sign-and-trade.

The Hurricanes tried to re-sign Hamilton before the 2020-21 campaign began, his agent told the Raleigh News and Observer, but it didn't work out, and the two sides decided to table contract discussions until after the season.

Hamilton is coming off a six-year, $34.5 million deal he signed as a member of the Calgary Flames in 2015. It's unclear if he'll be searching for a similar deal in free agency.

Although the Hurricanes are allowing him to scope out the market, it appears his teammates want him to return next season. During his exit interview, Jaccob Slavin said Hamilton has been a "huge part" of Carolina's success and he wants him back in 2021-22 and beyond.

The 27-year-old has flourished in two seasons with the Hurricanes, notching 42 goals and 121 points in 184 games. He'll be highly sought after by teams looking for a right-shot offensive defenseman.
- DraftandDestroy

I know I'm in the minority....but Hamilton will probably get 8.5 a year and to me he's not worth it beyond a couple of years...that contract would scare me.

The Flyers don't really have any "terrible" contracts. Voracek is tougher to trade due to the flat cap. But not impossible to trade. So, if they added an asset to get Seattle to take him I would be ok with that. I do not like adding assets to trades to rid yourself of players as a regular practice though.

JVR's guaranteed 25 goals is really tradable. They might need to eat $1-2mil to get it done but I am fine with that. That's just money. He also has one more year after this year. That's not longterm.
- mickel25

Right now, no, but in a few years that Kevin Hayes contract could be as bad as Erik Karlsson's.

I would like to see the organization makes some NHL hockey trades, use whatever means you have at your disposal to make the team younger, faster and more entertaining.
- DraftandDestroy

100% agree.

Hurricanes reportedly give Dougie Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL teams

Dougie Hamilton will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, and it appears he might not return to the Carolina Hurricanes.

According to Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman, Carolina has given Hamilton permission to speak with other NHL clubs, which opens up the possibility of a sign-and-trade.

The Hurricanes tried to re-sign Hamilton before the 2020-21 campaign began, his agent told the Raleigh News and Observer, but it didn't work out, and the two sides decided to table contract discussions until after the season.

Hamilton is coming off a six-year, $34.5 million deal he signed as a member of the Calgary Flames in 2015. It's unclear if he'll be searching for a similar deal in free agency.

Although the Hurricanes are allowing him to scope out the market, it appears his teammates want him to return next season. During his exit interview, Jaccob Slavin said Hamilton has been a "huge part" of Carolina's success and he wants him back in 2021-22 and beyond.

The 27-year-old has flourished in two seasons with the Hurricanes, notching 42 goals and 121 points in 184 games. He'll be highly sought after by teams looking for a right-shot offensive defenseman.
- DraftandDestroy

I would love to get Hamilton on a similar deal to the one he is just finishing, but I doubt that would be possible. I would think Hamilton would be looking for $8M for 7 seasons, and there is probably a team dumb enough to pay that. Even if we did get Hamilton, that would fill the need for a 1st PP QB, but it does not make us tougher to play against in our own zone. We would still need to do a lot more to our backend. That is why I believe you sign a mid level guy like Larsson and trade for a player like Ekholm. Now you have good depth and are much harder to play against.

Right now, no, but in a few years that Kevin Hayes contract could be as bad as Erik Karlsson's.
- DraftandDestroy

let's see if he can get healthy....not like they have a choice but those core injuries can really effect guys...remember G a few years back.

I know I'm in the minority....but Hamilton will probably get 8.5 a year and to me he's not worth it beyond a couple of years...that contract would scare me.
- landros 2

Just ask yourself 1 question. Why would he want to come to Philly to play all things being equal in terms of money and term.

I know I'm in the minority....but Hamilton will probably get 8.5 a year and to me he's not worth it beyond a couple of years...that contract would scare me.
- landros 2

He's only 27, turning 28 in a couple of days, so a six year deal only brings him to 33 years old. You need his skill-set if you're going to be competitive.

I would love to get Hamilton on a similar deal to the one he is just finishing, but I doubt that would be possible. I would think Hamilton would be looking for $8M for 7 seasons, and there is probably a team dumb enough to pay that. Even if we did get Hamilton, that would fill the need for a 1st PP QB, but it does not make us tougher to play against in our own zone. We would still need to do a lot more to our backend. That is why I believe you sign a mid level guy like Larsson and trade for player like Ekholm. Now you good depth and are much harder to play against.
- jd250

I think Larrson goes back to EDM... although he would be a good add. Im not sure he too will be worth anything close to what he gets.

let's see if he can get healthy....not like they have a choice but those core injuries can really effect guys...remember G a few years back.
- landros 2

Agreed, Hayes was not right this year, and I believe the Flyers are downplaying the seriousness of his core injury. If Hayes can completely recover this off season, I expect him to be the player he was two years ago, which was pretty darn good.

IMO I don't see any nhl stars but some potentially good players in terms of prospects and "young" guys. They have value. The positon the Flyers are in right now is they will have to trade the ones you don't want to if they are to go for it so to speak. If that is the choice they make I don't agree as they are to far off imo.

Well why wouldn't you count in Sanheim? He should have bene counted on. The others i agree to an extent though NAK is irrelevant.

I think we all can agree they are not tearing anything down in any way. Not with this GM and coahcing stff.
- hello it's me 2050

I just wonder/worry that the flat cap has made cap space even more valuable than previous years, maybe even more valuable than young prospects. who knows! With Sanheim that's mainly what i meant (sorry if I wasn't clear): I think all of us fully expected both Sanheim and Myers to take steps forward with how well they played in 19-20 and even in the bubble. Those two were personally my biggest let-down this season. Even the guys who look like they are primed for a break out or jump in improvement can fail to meet expectations.

Just ask yourself 1 question. Why would he want to come to Philly to play all things being equal in terms of money and term.
- hello it's me 2050

Why would he stay in Carolina? All things equal in terms and money.

Agreed, Hayes was not right this year, and I believe the Flyers are downplaying the seriousness of his core injury. If Hayes can completely recover this off season, I expect him to be the player he was two years ago, which was pretty darn good.
- jd250

lets hope. Like a lot of guys that were bad this year....you gotta have some hope. can't trade all the guys that sucked this year...

I think Larrson goes back to EDM... although he would be a good add. Im not sure he too will be worth anything close to what he gets.
- landros 2

Larsson will not command as much as he might normally would given the flat-cap situation the NHL is in right now. And in the end, teams don't pay as much for defensive defenseman was they do for offense, and Larsson provides very little offensively.

He's only 27, turning 28 in a couple of days, so a six year deal only brings him to 33 years old. You need his skill-set if you're going to be competitive.
- DraftandDestroy

he has shown some great flashes...but two teams (could be 3 shortly)have basically given up on the guy, or deemed him expendable... there are some flags.
The one good thing about the signing is if he's a free agent then at least you don't expend assets.

Why would he stay in Carolina? All things equal in terms and money.
- mickel25

Hamilton might stay in Carolina because he does not want to play for a high pressure market team. I think as long as he gets paid well and Carolina continues to challenge, he would probably choose to stay in Carolina.

Hamilton might stay in Carolina because he does not want to play for a high pressure market team. I think as long as he gets paid well and Carolina continues to challenge, he would probably choose to stay in Carolina.
- jd250

I don't disagree with that. Does that mean he actively chose to not go to the Flyers?

Why would he stay in Carolina? All things equal in terms and money.
- mickel25

Well you didn't answer my question.

However I will answer yours. I assume you are comparing why would he stay in Carolina over Philly. Pretty simple to me. They have a better team. A much better up and coming team. Better coaching. Nicer place to live. Probably missing a few tings though that should be sufficient.

Now he may leave there to go elsewhere. Don't see elsewhere being PHilly unless it was just too good an offer to pass up.