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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 8:54 PM ET
When I make decisions about my health, I don't use the tests, imaging, opinions of doctors as the starting or supplementary tools of my reaction.

Instead, I just tend to go my own way. Why would I be led by a leash by people who are not even feeling the same things I am?

I deal with situations after they occur. For example, if I die, well that's an empirical fact, right? I will see what I can do after that.

- PT21


I absolutely agree. Making decisions on a health issue is absolutely the same thing as being a sports fan and how you form opinions.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 14 @ 9:28 PM ET
I can say I’m actually surprised the flyers resigned Rubstov. I’m just not seeing a player as anything but a AHL stalwart.

"He’s competitive, consistent," Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher said in October 2019. "Plays the game the right way defensively."

Huh
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 9:33 PM ET
I can say I’m actually surprised the flyers resigned Rubstov. I’m just not seeing a player as anything but a AHL stalwart.

"He’s competitive, consistent," Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher said in October 2019. "Plays the game the right way defensively."

Huh

- bird_dog_pa


The comment is two years old.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 14 @ 10:15 PM ET
"Ali has him on the ropes"
- MJL


The spectacle of the guy who for years has declared his loathing for tanking and said he would never support such a team actually publicly getting excited for the greatest tanking team of all time was too deliciously ironic a spectacle to resist. ..so I scored the empty net goal.

A sad thought occurred to me, just now. You weren't virtue signaling now, were you, MJL? That would be so (*gasp*) dastardly. Almost like wearing a face diaper! 😱😱😱

(Also, btw, it used to be Ali who used to be on the ropes waiting for the other guys to hit him and exhaust themselves (hence the name rope-a-dope). Your quote marks refer to a non existent model.)
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 14 @ 10:17 PM ET
I absolutely agree. Making decisions on a health issue is absolutely the same thing as being a sports fan and how you form opinions.
- MJL


A hyperbolic example to show that outside counsel can bei supplementary rather than substitutionary... 🙏
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:21 PM ET
I can say I’m actually surprised the flyers resigned Rubstov. I’m just not seeing a player as anything but a AHL stalwart.
- bird_dog_pa


How much have we really seen of him since he's been drafted tho? The few times he was injury free, he was pretty productive. And you can't really read much into KHL numbers. Defensive league + young players don't get much ice time there + Sochi was horrible this season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 10:27 PM ET
The spectacle of the guy who for years has declared his loathing for tanking and said he would never support such a team actually publicly getting excited for the greatest tanking team of all time was too deliciously ironic a spectacle to resist. ..so I scored the empty net goal.

A sad thought occurred to me, just now. You weren't virtue signaling now, were you, MJL? That would be so (*gasp*) dastardly. Almost like wearing a face diaper! 😱😱😱

(Also, btw, it used to be Ali who used to be on the ropes waiting for the other guys to hit him and exhaust themselves (hence the name rope-a-dope). Your quote marks refer to a non existent model.)

- PT21


You're not going to distract me away from hockey talk with silly and irrelevant analogies or with ad hominen attacks. My position is that I would not support the Flyers tanking.



Any further non-hockey related straw-man posts will be ignored.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 14 @ 10:35 PM ET
Was Doc not watching the game? Embiid was a walking corpse out there. I’m not saying bench him but you could see the negative body language from Jupiter.

Hawks shooting 36% and still winning. Not good!

DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 10:35 PM ET
You're not going to distract me away from hockey talk with silly and irrelevant analogies or with ad hominen attacks. My position is that I would not support the Flyers tanking.

The fact that the Sixers tanked 6 years ago does not prevent me from hoping they win in the playoffs. It's not an empty net goal. It's a shank off the glass with a wide open net.

My quote is a call made by Howard Cosell during one of Ali's fights.

- MJL

The Flyers need to tank, sorry.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 10:38 PM ET
The Flyers need to tank, sorry.
- DraftandDestroy


Sorry, no they don't.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 14 @ 10:40 PM ET
Can’t let any team, least of all a team full of sharpshooters like the Hawks, off the hook like that.

We may have just witnessed a cardinal sin by the Sixers. Need to come out Wednesday and lock all windows and doors defensively.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 14 @ 10:43 PM ET
The Flyers need to tank, sorry.
- DraftandDestroy


I think at this point it would be a huge mistake. I’m not against tanking per se, but in hockey it’s just not effective like in basketball.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 14 @ 10:47 PM ET
Sorry, no they don't.
- MJL

Yes surely they don’t need to tank…
Also absolutely they must resign coots…
Still waiting for mjl to

1) provide how he thinks they can obtain top picks that he himself said the team needs since not tanking or trading the only asset that could possibly get those picks

2) provide where he’s found any article dated predraft contains any info on nopa migraine problem


Zzzzzzzz nothing I’m sure
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 14 @ 10:47 PM ET
Sorry, no they don't.
- MJL

Yes surely they don’t need to tank…
Also absolutely they must resign coots…
Still waiting for mjl to

1) provide how he thinks they can obtain top picks that he himself said the team needs since not tanking or trading the only asset that could possibly get those picks

2) provide where he’s found any article dated predraft contains any info on nopa migraine problem


Zzzzzzzz nothing I’m sure
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:04 PM ET
Can’t let any team, least of all a team full of sharpshooters like the Hawks, off the hook like that.

We may have just witnessed a cardinal sin by the Sixers. Need to come out Wednesday and lock all windows and doors defensively.

- StepfordSam


I can’t believe we lost that game. Can’t believe Embiid missed that final shot and also went like 0-12. I also can’t believe how dog poop the refs were final 2 Minutes. John Collins shoves for rebound, no call. Furkan arm contacted on his 3, no call. Trae Young blocked and makes contact AFTER the play, foul. Just absurd.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:40 PM ET
Sorry, no they don't.
- MJL

Yes, yes they do.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 14 @ 11:41 PM ET
You're not going to distract me away from hockey talk with silly and irrelevant analogies or with ad hominen attacks. My position is that I would not support the Flyers tanking.



Any further non-hockey related straw-man posts will be ignored.

- MJL


Since this post has stayed for 20 minutes, instead of the mere ten before you delete it and replace it with something completely different (as you have done numerous times today when responding to me), I hope it is safe to quote it.

1. Please, please, don't worry about getting distracted. No one who reads your style of posting will be able to tell.

2. Do you know what 'ad hominem means"? Well it is clear you don't. It means without specific reference to a pov/position. Since the tanking comment was directed at a position you have taken repeatedly and publicly over many years, it is a textbook example of a non ad hominem attack. For an example of one, see 1 above (that is why it was made).

3. I am very glad to see you make the (another since deleted comment) that Sixers tanked 6 years ago hence there is no contradiction in rooting for them today. I am sure everyone would like to know: is your support for Flyers also going to resume after 6 years if they tank, or will in that case your repeated use of the word 'never' mean something other than the usual boring 6 years?

4. In yet another deleted comment, you claimed the quote about Ali was made by Cosell. Funny, I boxed for a hobby when young, and am huge fan of Ali. I don't recall that comment, but I am getting old. Would you be kind enough to provide a link (I searched and found none)?

5. In another deleted comment, you called my analogy about the weather forecast "irrelevant" and my analogy "desperate". I did want you to know, this flashed across my cell phone today, and you will be happy to know I completely disregarded it and went for a short run. You see, this alerts only are correct 10% of the time, and I am accurate about these things 0% of the time, so I know you would sympathize with me choosing 0% accuracy over 10%.

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DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Jun 14 @ 11:44 PM ET
I think at this point it would be a huge mistake. I’m not against tanking per se, but in hockey it’s just not effective like in basketball.
- StepfordSam

It doesn’t have to be a prolonged tank, providing you have competent management, that said, look at the past 15 years of Stanley Cup champions, they tanked to some extent.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 14 @ 11:44 PM ET
I think at this point it would be a huge mistake. I’m not against tanking per se, but in hockey it’s just not effective like in basketball.
- StepfordSam


Ah, here I am thinking that the viability of a strategy in hockey would be how effective it is relative to other strategies in hockey. Now I see what I got wrong: a strategy in hockey is only to be pursued if it is as effective as it is in basketball.

Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 15 @ 12:27 AM ET
Since this post has stayed for 20 minutes, instead of the mere ten before you delete it and replace it with something completely different (as you have done numerous times today when responding to me), I hope it is safe to quote it.

1. Please, please, don't worry about getting distracted. No one who reads your style of posting will be able to tell.

2. Do you know what 'ad hominem means"? Well it is clear you don't. It means without specific reference to a pov/position. Since the tanking comment was directed at a position you have taken repeatedly and publicly over many years, it is a textbook example of a non ad hominem attack. For an example of one, see 1 above (that is why it was made).

3. I am very glad to see you make the (another since deleted comment) that Sixers tanked 6 years ago hence there is no contradiction in rooting for them today. I am sure everyone would like to know: is your support for Flyers also going to resume after 6 years if they tank, or will in that case your repeated use of the word 'never' mean something other than the usual boring 6 years?

4. In yet another deleted comment, you claimed the quote about Ali was made by Cosell. Funny, I boxed for a hobby when young, and am huge fan of Ali. I don't recall that comment, but I am getting old. Would you be kind enough to provide a link (I searched and found none)?

5. In another deleted comment, you called my analogy about the weather forecast "irrelevant" and my analogy "desperate". I did want you to know, this flashed across my cell phone today, and you will be happy to know I completely disregarded it and went for a short run. You see, this alerts only are correct 10% of the time, and I am accurate about these things 0% of the time, so I know you would sympathize with me choosing 0% accuracy over 10%.


- PT21[/img]



Good luck with getting response. Mjl was gonna produce pre draft article showing nopa had migraine issue…. Almost a year later he can’t produce it.

Mjl claims to not support tank… also claims coots needs to “absolutely be resigned” also states flyers need to get top high draft picks.

Produces no plan or thought as to how to obtain those picks without either tank or trade top asset(coots).

Mjl is bill or a bot driving clicks/comments to raise $ for site.


Only logical conclusion because no way mjl can actually be other
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 15 @ 6:07 AM ET
Yes, yes they do.
- DraftandDestroy

No, no they don’t.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 15 @ 7:13 AM ET
What impact? Fletcher's draft picks have played a total of 3 NHL games! The point I was holding back is that it way too soon to even try and measure each GM's drafting against another. We still don't have a good idea of what the full impact will be of many of Hextall's picks and he was the GM under 4 drafts and has been gone for 2 drafts. There is no possible way you can support the opinion that you have.
- MJL


I'll jump in, not saying Fletcher has drafted better, but totally not impressed with Hextalls draft record. Lots of misses. Too many.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 15 @ 7:29 AM ET
The issue is not that odds are not reality. If they were, they would jyst be called that.

The issue is, you don't really understand what "odds" means.

- PT21

I do know what odds means, but I think the mistake you are making is you are equating proven mathematical odds, e.g. toss coin multiple times and over time you will have an equal amount of heads and tails, with Vegas odds, which are designed SOLELY to maximize their return on the betting of a game or event. For example, when Vegas sets odds on a Football game, they are setting the line so that they get an equal amount of bets on both sides, thus they maximize their return since they only pay out one side. So when Vegas makes one hockey team the favorite to win the cup, how much they are favored by compared to other teams is manipulated to get an even spread of bets. My point is, Vegas odds are not true or proven mathematical odds.

Also considering the coin flip example, its a truth that if you toss a coin enough times you will get an equal amount of heads and tails. However if you toss a coin 10 times or even less, you might see 8 heads to 2 tails. Thus it is in sports. If Vegas plays Montreal 100 times, they probably win 80 times. But in a 7 game series, anything can happen. Odds do not apply when you have such a small sample size. In this case, odds are nothing more than a prediction.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 15 @ 7:34 AM ET
I'll jump in, not saying Fletcher has drafted better, but totally not impressed with Hextalls draft record. Lots of misses. Too many.
- bradster

MJL brings up fair points, I mean we don't know what York or even Foerster will be when he gets to the next level. And we hope Allison, a Hextall draft pick, turns out to be the next Tim Kerr (at least I do). But the sample size is too small to be factual in any way. My point is the same as yours really, it appears so far that Fletcher's picks are developing faster and set to make an impact sooner than Hextall's, though to be fair Allison I think would have been making an impact a lot sooner if he wasn't injured multiple times.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 15 @ 7:36 AM ET
When I make decisions about my health, I don't use the tests, imaging, opinions of doctors as the starting or supplementary tools of my reaction.

Instead, I just tend to go my own way. Why would I be led by a leash by people who are not even feeling the same things I am?

I deal with situations after they occur. For example, if I die, well that's an empirical fact, right? I will see what I can do after that.

- PT21

How is your health? Has your Kasparaitis been acting up?
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