lol i didn't say this. but you keep pushing that "the flyers aren't a destination" narrative, weirdo. everything is terrible, worst it could possibly be. no one is signing here. our own free agents aren't even going to sign here. WE GET IT.
- Ftown19125

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

1. very true, the sample size is not even close to large enough
2. good players that play the "system" well get you into the top 4, that is all you ask for if you want a chance to win. See Montreal and the Islanders for examples.
3. Outside opinions mean nothing now, since these players are demonstrating at a professional level they are top prospects.
- jd250

Here it is in a nutshell. Players like Mark Stone have been labeled on this board as not being an elite player. The reality is that Mark Stone is a dominant winger in this league. While he may not be as flashy or put up as high point totals as other player, his impact on the game is greater. The same can be said about Couturier when he is at his best and not dragged down on a poor team.

Ok lets play this silly game, since you at least have a sense of humor.

The last one ... keep your powder dry. Ekblad was out. They need to spend more.

But collectively, how many less cups than the Flyers last 25 years?
- PT21

Zero. That is my point though. Each have had a considerable amount of top 10 picks and basically zero success since the cap era was implemented.

So what does this mean?
- mickel25

Slang for crotch/genitalia/butt/lower waist regions are often used derogatorily. Dont be a ****, etc.

That was my not so subtle dig at your post.

I honestly don't understand your concern. If I thought you were gay, why on earth would I just not ask for your phone number??!!

I disagree with this. If that was the case, all top 4 teams would receive same odds from bookies as historically, each would have the same chance.

I disagree with this too: what makes them "top" prospects? They are, at this time, viable ones. No more.
- PT21

He stated having a chance to win. So if Vegas gives one team 3-1 odds to win and another team 4-1 odds, the team with 4-1 odds doesn't have a chance to win?

What makes them only viable prospects? Are you giving opinion or stating fact?

Zero. That is my point though. Each have had a considerable amount of top 10 picks and basically zero success since the cap era was implemented.
- mickel25

Oh you are serious? In spite of this?

The following is an example of refutation not of argument but of the basic mental sanity of failed refuter:

"Xyz, which fails your proposition, occurred in abc times throughout history."

Rubstov and Linus Sandin resigned. One years 2-way contracts

Rubstov and Linus Sandin resigned. One years 2-way contracts
- arichardson22

Would love to see the same for NP.

Oh you are serious? In spite of this?

The following is an example of refutation not of argument but of the basic mental sanity of failed refuter:

"Xyz, which fails your proposition, occurred in abc times throughout history."

- PT21

Am I the refuter or the refutee?

Would love to see the same for NP.
- PT21

As a RFA, the Flyers need to make him a Q offer or they lose his rights. Why would Patrick refuse to sign the Q offer and a one year deal in favor of a two way one year deal?

Game changing stars???..those kind of prospect comments are made about 100 different players every year. Lets just hope a few on them become contributing NHL players
- hfc355

Yes, all 3 have POTENTIAL to become game changing stars. That is what a prospect is, someone with potential. The more potential they have, the more highly rated of a prospect they are.

Here it is in a nutshell. Players like Mark Stone have been labeled on this board as not being an elite player. The reality is that Mark Stone is a dominant winger in this league. While he may not be as flashy or put up as high point totals as other player, his impact on the game is greater. The same can be said about Couturier when he is at his best and not dragged down on a poor team.
- MJL

I agree with you. I love Stone, and I love Couturier; he is part of the solution here no doubt.

Rubstov and Linus Sandin resigned. One years 2-way contracts
- arichardson22

Linus Sandin must be guaranteed a roster spot. If not, he wouldn't have re-signed.

Linus Sandin must be guaranteed a roster spot. If not, he wouldn't have re-signed.
- Ftown19125

Hopefully the end of the NAK experiment.

I agree with you. I love Stone, and I love Couturier; he is part of the solution here no doubt.
- jd250

What solution is that? Pay for past performance while he declines.

I disagree with this. If that was the case, all top 4 teams would receive same odds from bookies as historically, each would have the same chance.
- PT21

You miss my point. I said the final four teams have A chance to win, not an equal chance to win. But you have ZERO chance to win if you can't even get there!

I disagree with this too: what makes them "top" prospects? They are, at this time, viable ones. No more.
- PT21

York played 2 college seasons, 8 AHL games (which he scored 5 points) and then 3 NHL games (where he did not look overwhelmed at all); the 2nd college year and beyond all in the same year. I'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Tyson Foerster jumped from the OHL directly to the AHL and scored 10 goals in 24 games at 19 years old! I 'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Wade Allison finally got healthy and then only needed 10 games in the AHL (soring 9 points) before jumping to the NHL and scoring at a better rate than Nolan Patrick ever did. That again makes Allison a 'top' prospect. All 3 have moved well beyond hype, they are demonstrating their ability against professional opposition.

You miss my point. I said the final four teams have A chance to win, not an equal chance to win. But you have ZERO chance to win if you can't even get there!


York played 2 college seasons, 8 AHL games (which he scored 5 points) and then 3 NHL games (where he did not look overwhelmed at all); the 2nd college year and beyond all in the same year. I'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Tyson Foerster jumped from the OHL directly to the AHL and scored 10 goals in 24 games at 19 years old! I 'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Wade Allison finally got healthy and then only needed 10 games in the AHL (soring 9 points) before jumping to the NHL and scoring at a better rate than Nolan Patrick ever did. That again makes Allison a 'top' prospect. All 3 have moved well beyond hype, they are demonstrating their ability against professional opposition.
- jd250

I'm really high on Tyson. I liked the pick but love it even more after what he did in the AHL. Also high on Wisdom. If Wade and Allison can really pan out as goal scorers and skill it would be wonderful. I would love Ratcliffe to get back on the radar, he had a tough season starting with a collapsed lung. His size and reach are intriguing though and was really finding his game in the 2nd half of the 19-20 season. We also have guys like Noah Cates and JOB who could be nice hard-work grinding guys.

I'm really high on Tyson. I liked the pick but love it even more after what he did in the AHL. Also high on Wisdom. If Wade and Allison can really pan out as goal scorers and skill it would be wonderful. I would love Ratcliffe to get back on the radar, he had a tough season starting with a collapsed lung. His size and reach are intriguing though and was really finding his game in the 2nd half of the 19-20 season. We also have guys like Noah Cates and JOB who could be nice hard-work grinding guys.
- arichardson22

Still waiting on Ronald's draft picks to be "stars".

What solution is that? Pay for past performance while he declines.
- hello it's me 2050

Couturier is not declining at all, he is still scoring at close to a point/game pace and is one of the best 2 way centers in the game, and one of the best faceoff centers in the game. You are certainly not paying for past performance in this regard.

Am I the refuter or the refutee?
- mickel25

Well, you are the failed refuter, as per the 'exposition," (which I thought was pretty simple).

I'm really high on Tyson. I liked the pick but love it even more after what he did in the AHL. Also high on Wisdom. If Wade and Allison can really pan out as goal scorers and skill it would be wonderful. I would love Ratcliffe to get back on the radar, he had a tough season starting with a collapsed lung. His size and reach are intriguing though and was really finding his game in the 2nd half of the 19-20 season. We also have guys like Noah Cates and JOB who could be nice hard-work grinding guys.
- arichardson22

I was high on Foerster as well when he got picked and I thought if given a normal training camp he could have made the Flyers right from camp. He is exactly what the Flyers need right now, a player with a booming shot and a shoot-first mentality. He is also improving his skating which was his only weak point on draft day. Depending on what happens this off season, he has a real chance to make the big club next season.

You know I’ve agreed with this as well and that the “right fit” it crucial. Nisky was the right fit. Thinking on the other side of the argument, I guess the main benefit and advantage of getting that 1RD is we have a legit partner for Provorov for a long, long time. It would be an area we wouldn’t have to adjust (hopefully) for the foreseeable future whereas if we go with a short-term “right fit” we likely are revisiting the hole.
- arichardson22

The is an underrated post, not that there is a like button. If there was, I would have liked it. Jones is my favorite prospective acquisition at 1RD. However, the truth is I would accept a whole list of stopgaps before I would accept doing nothing.

It’s a permanent hole, it would be best to get the right fit to fill it long term. Otherwise, it’s Groundhog Day every few years.

Couturier is not declining at all, he is still scoring at close to a point/game pace and is one of the best 2 way centers in the game, and one of the best faceoff centers in the game. You are certainly not paying for past performance in this regard.
- jd250

Sounds good. He will surely keep that production up starting in 2022 which will be the firs year of his 8 year extension.

York played 2 college seasons, 8 AHL games (which he scored 5 points) and then 3 NHL games (where he did not look overwhelmed at all); the 2nd college year and beyond all in the same year. I'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Tyson Foerster jumped from the OHL directly to the AHL and scored 10 goals in 24 games at 19 years old! I 'd say that makes him a 'top' prospect. Wade Allison finally got healthy and then only needed 10 games in the AHL (soring 9 points) before jumping to the NHL and scoring at a better rate than Nolan Patrick ever did. That again makes Allison a 'top' prospect. All 3 have moved well beyond hype, they are demonstrating their ability against professional opposition.
- jd250

No question. Add in Farabee who has a legit shot to be a 30 goal 60-70 point player. We already know that Konecny can be an effective player at the NHL level. Hey but they may never be "elite" so what good are they? We should burn it up and start over.

I was high on Foerster as well when he got picked and I thought if given a normal training camp he could have made the Flyers right from camp. He is exactly what the Flyers need right now, a player with a booming shot and a shoot-first mentality. He is also improving his skating which was his only weak point on draft day. Depending on what happens this off season, he has a real chance to make the big club next season.
- jd250

It's a damn shame he suffered that collar bone injury at the end of his season. His skating was knocked before and at the draft, but the guy supposedly worked his ass off when the season paused during COVID. He has a hell of a work ethic too and got some farmer strength. His shot is lethal and maybe one of the best in that whole draft class. So far it looks like Fletcher and Flahr (and scouts) had a good first draft-year. Will be interesting to see how this year goes with all the prevention of scouts seeing games.