Yes, and with that equal money, I seriously doubt it is also a better player than Jake. I think Jake is here next season and possibly the season after that.

I would absolutely love to move him to better use that cap space somewhere else. But I just don't think it is feasible.
- MBFlyerfan

It doesn't have to be a "better" player. Could be a better fit and make the TEAM better.

It is feasible if whatever the cost is the GM is willing to pay it.

The future could consist of Hart, Farabee, York, TK and Provorov. Maybe even Frost, Foerster and O'Brien; we'll have to see how these players develop and whether they are even with the team in the future. However, I agree with you that if Seattle does not take one of Ghost, Jake or JVR, the Flyers are screwed for at least another year or two. My hope is Fletcher will do what it takes to guarantee one of these three are selected by Seattle, and then trade the other two smartly, even though I realize that means possibly giving up top picks, prospects, covering salary and/or taking back contracts. I don't want to do this, but I don't think the Flyers have any choice at this point. They have to do a reset IMO.
- jd250

Seattle is not going to take Voracek in my opinion. The Flyers absolutely should not in any way get involved in adding sweetners to get Seattle to take the player they want them to. They absolutely have a choice.

I think the idea that the Flyers are going to be able to move all of their perceived cap issue players to free up major cap space without taking cap or problem contracts back is fantasy.

It doesn't have to be a "better" player. Could be a better fit and make the TEAM better.

It is feasible if whatever the cost is the GM is willing to pay it.
- hello it's me 2050

I would be fine with that. Im not sure who that would be, nor what team would view Jake in the same light.

I would be fine with that. Im not sure who that would be, nor what team would view Jake in the same light.
- MBFlyerfan

That is the rub. Jake for Wheeler. Both teams need a change tough I doubt jets would do it. Flyers can add to the deal.

Would Ottawa be a possibility? Their owner is cheap so unlikely. Flames? Canucks?

Larson and Savard would be 2 guys you may be able to get on 4 year deals who combined would make a little more than what Jones will. That is the route I go. Though I think those 2 will look at other teams first if winning is part of their equation.

Ryan Murray and Martinez possible as well.

ivan - larson
sanheim - savard
bruan - myers/york

On paper that is a solid defense. That being said I can see the GM getting a Marc Staal or Jason Demers which would be par for the course. Anyone know how AV and Staal got along? The "vet" leader AV needs lol
- hello it's me 2050

Absolutely zero toughness with those 7. You have to have 1 or 2 D who play mean.

That is the rub. Jake for Wheeler. Both teams need a change tough I doubt jets would do it. Flyers can add to the deal.

Would Ottawa be a possibility? Their owner is cheap so unlikely. Flames? Canucks?
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah, this is why I think Jake will be so tough to move in a deal that makes sense for both sides.

Yeah, this is why I think Jake will be so tough to move in a deal that makes sense for both sides.
- MBFlyerfan

The results from moving Voracek would likely be worse than keeping him.

Yeah, this is why I think Jake will be so tough to move in a deal that makes sense for both sides.
- MBFlyerfan

Probably better to just hold onto Jake, at least for this year. Any deal we either have to take cap back or attach picks/prospects. Not interested in either of those options. Jake will get his points this year and another year off is easier to move.

I would not give up Konecny for Rinehart.
- MJL

I would in a heartbeat. Rinehart is a center and winger. And more skilled and more size

I would in a heartbeat. Rinehart is a center and winger. And more skilled and more size
- bradster

He is not more skilled. That he can play center is a benefit. Overall he is not a better player than Konecny is. Your trade proposal was an overpayment in my opinion.

The results from moving Voracek would likely be worse than keeping him.
- MJL

Also adding to the "making sense" part.

I just don't think moving him moves the needle in any way that improves the team. At least in any realistic deal.

1. I don't think it gives us much cap space because you will be taking significant cap back.
2. I don't think the player you get will be better (or even equal or comparative) than who Jake is.
3. Probably the best option will be for the coaching staff to get Jake back to playing the way he did in 19-20.


I don't say any of this because I am a fan of Voracek, in fact he pisses me off more than any other player on the team. I just think with 3 years left we are stuck with him for at least another season.

Probably better to just hold onto Jake, at least for this year. Any deal we either have to take cap back or attach picks/prospects. Not interested in either of those options. Jake will get his points this year and another year off is easier to move.
- arichardson22

Agreed.

He is not more skilled. That he can play center is a benefit. Overall he is not a better player than Konecny is. Your trade proposal was an overpayment in my opinion.
- MJL

Have you seen TKs board work compared to Rineharts? And better 2 way play. Thats more skilled in my opinion. But you can disagree. I think he is more skilled. Consistantly put up good points on bad teams too.

He is not more skilled. That he can play center is a benefit. Overall he is not a better player than Konecny is. Your trade proposal was an overpayment in my opinion.
- MJL

Plus Reinhart is due for a raise as an RFA.

Whether or not he is a better player is debatable, but on ice I think he would be a better player for the Flyers than Konecny. A 25 goal scoring big center over a smallish 20 goal scoring winger.

Have you seen TKs board work compared to Rineharts? And better 2 way play. Thats more skilled in my opinion. But you can disagree. I think he is more skilled. Consistantly put up good points on bad teams too.
- bradster

Because TK is under contract for a while and Reinhart is an RFA due for a raise, you may not have to sweeten the deal in a trade. But Im not sure Buffalo will be looking to deal a guy who is most likely going to be their #1 center now that Eichel wants to leave.

Have you seen TKs board work compared to Rineharts? And better 2 way play. Thats more skilled in my opinion. But you can disagree. I think he is more skilled. Consistantly put up good points on bad teams too.
- bradster

If all of that is true, why is Buffalo looking to move him? They are very equal in ability. There are certainly pluses for Rinehart. He can play center and he seems to do well in the bumper position on the PP. I just think you might be able to acquire him without giving up Konency. If I'm trading Konecny, it's in a deal for a defenseman. There are many variables in making a trade. The Flyers should use their biggest trade chips to fill their biggest need. That's a defenseman.

If all of that is true, why is Buffalo looking to move him? They are very equal in ability. There are certainly pluses for Rinehart. He can play center and he seems to do well in the bumper position on the PP. I just think you might be able to acquire him without giving up Konency. If I'm trading Konecny, it's in a deal for a defenseman. There are many variables in making a trade. The Flyers should use their biggest trade chips to fill their biggest need. That's a defenseman.
- MJL

He wants out, listen to his end of season press conference. And why does anyone get traded. Because there is a deal to be made.

Id like to see the flyers get jones, or if not, go the FA route, and use TK for a rinehart type of trade. I think we need at least 4-5 new starters to change the culture. And a TK for Rinehart would be a good start. Its not even whos more skilled, to me its to play different than they have been, and adding size....or subtracting some of our smaller guys is a start.

He wants out, listen to his end of season press conference. And why does anyone get traded. Because there is a deal to be made.

Id like to see the flyers get jones, or if not, go the FA route, and use TK for a rinehart type of trade. I think we need at least 4-5 new starters to change the culture. And a TK for Rinehart would be a good start. Its not even whos more skilled, to me its to play different than they have been, and adding size....or subtracting some of our smaller guys is a start.
- bradster

I don't refute the rumors that Buffalo is looking to move him. I don't think NHL teams cater to every player who wants out. I don't see how Rinehart "changes the culture". My question was in terms of your stance that if I'm reading it correctly, you think Rinehart is the better player.

I don't refute the rumors that Buffalo is looking to move him. I don't think NHL teams cater to every player who wants out. I don't see how Rinehart "changes the culture". My question was in terms of your stance that if I'm reading it correctly, you think Rinehart is the better player.
- MJL

You know what doesn't change the culture, not moving anyone. And I think Rinehart is better. 2 way, board play, etc.....all around better.

You know what doesn't change the culture, not moving anyone. And I think Rinehart is better. 2 way, board play, etc.....all around better.
- bradster

What do you think Reinhart's next contract will be? It will be at least 6.5 IMO. (5.2 currently coming off 25 goals in 54 games)

Im not sure the Flyers can do that considering their own cap situation and the other needs they have. Even sending Konecny's salary the other way.

Seattle is not going to take Voracek in my opinion. The Flyers absolutely should not in any way get involved in adding sweetners to get Seattle to take the player they want them to. They absolutely have a choice.

I think the idea that the Flyers are going to be able to move all of their perceived cap issue players to free up major cap space without taking cap or problem contracts back is fantasy.
- MJL

It might be fantasy, I guess we'll see what happens in another few weeks. However this is what it will take to turn things around IMO. The Flyers are up against it in terms of cap space. They have to pay Hart and Couts soon. Giroux getting less will help, but if the Flyers don't clear significant space, they will be stuck in mediocrity for 2-3 more years ... and just thinking about that makes be sick.

He wants out, listen to his end of season press conference. And why does anyone get traded. Because there is a deal to be made.

Id like to see the flyers get jones, or if not, go the FA route, and use TK for a rinehart type of trade. I think we need at least 4-5 new starters to change the culture. And a TK for Rinehart would be a good start. Its not even whos more skilled, to me its to play different than they have been, and adding size....or subtracting some of our smaller guys is a start.
- bradster

Its going to cost a lot in terms of assets and money to acquire and keep Jones, and honestly I just don't think he is worth it. I would rather spend my assets elsewhere.

What do you think Reinhart's next contract will be? It will be at least 6.5 IMO. (5.2 currently coming off 25 goals in 54 games)

I'm not sure the Flyers can do that considering their own cap situation and the other needs they have. Even sending Konecny's salary the other way.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm guessing 6.5ish......depends what else happens, theres lots of stuff happening this summer. ED, maybe Seattle takes JVR, maybe they take Braun, maybe find a taker for Ghost. I don't put anything off the table, no idea what is going to happen. But i am pretty sure there will be some changes

Its going to cost a lot in terms of assets and money to acquire and keep Jones, and honestly I just don't think he is worth it. I would rather spend my assets elsewhere.
- jd250

I'm very interest in Jones, but it depends what the package looks like. Don't want to give up everything, but would give up some assets and a pick

You know what doesn't change the culture, not moving anyone. And I think Rinehart is better. 2 way, board play, etc.....all around better.
- bradster

Making a bad trade absolutely changes the culture. In a bad way. He's not all around better, he's just different. Flyers can't waste their top chips in a move like that.