You mean the Habs dynasty, the Islanders dynasty, the Oilers,Devils Wings model can still be successful in today's era, who would have thought.
- Reubenkincade

The wings making the playoffs 22+ years in a row or whatever the stat is, is absolutely insane. Up until recently, they were one of my favorite teams. Could not help but respect them.

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- Nucker101

Just wanted to make sure the candy ass crew understood what a good team is and what they look like.
A good blend of speed, skill and size, throughout the lineup.
In case some of that group thinks you win with a dozen or so smaller skill guys.

True & it’s coming slowly. Bare cupboards & good picks bypassed Utica. Big help the farm is just down the highway. Jimbo has more immediate things on his plate to fix. He cannot go too fast & must fix it 1 piece at a time. Pod will be a big help but as long as 3C remains a hole it will stymy the team to get better. RHD is the forever search & most teams in the same boat. Team D has to be the goal of coaching.
- Nighthawk

Cupboards aren't bare, just not much high end left in there.

Being better at possessing the puck for the big club.

No love for the hurricanes?
- Codes1087

Not yet.
They are a forward or 2 away.
Francis did a nice job with that team.

You mean the Habs dynasty, the Islanders dynasty, the Oilers,Devils Wings model can still be successful in today's era, who would have thought.
- Reubenkincade

I don't think that's what he was talking about.

I guess I can help you out as usual. I'll be right back.
- manvanfan

I’m just saying draft position clearly matters. For instance. The Los Angeles Kings drafted 13 players between 2006 - 2009 that played 200 or more games, they also drafted multiple times in the first and second rounds because they were rebuilding, including 11th-4th-2nd-5th overall. They took full advantage of the draft as they weren’t competing for the Stanley Cup. The Canucks were.

Not yet.
They are a forward or 2 away.
Francis did a nice job with that team.
- Reubenkincade

They are a fun team to watch. Really like what Francis has done with them.

They are a fun team to watch. Really like what Francis has done with them.
- Codes1087

Svechnikov gets better every time I see him.

The wings making the playoffs 22+ years in a row or whatever the stat is, is absolutely insane. Up until recently, they were one of my favorite teams. Could not help but respect them.
- Codes1087

15 players during the 06-15 time frame the Canucks had 7.

Right now PacificGem would like you to know that because of the Red Wings making the playoffs they weren't drafting very high during that time.

I don't think that's what he was talking about.
- manvanfan

No, he was talking about McTavish being a good pick at 9.

15 players during the 06-15 time frame the Canucks had 7.

Right now PacificGem would like you to know that because of the Red Wings making the playoffs they weren't drafting very high during that time.
- manvanfan

Some teams are clearly better at drafting than others, despite draft position, the Canucks historically aren’t one of them. But to totally dismiss draft position you’re talking apples and oranges when comparing bottom teams to top teams during the same timeframes.

Clearly you don’t have access to the best kids in the top five or ten spots, who 95% of the time easily make the 200+ games, when you’re picking 24-30 every year.

Jim Benning has 275 games total from his second round picks and beyond, which has to be near the bottom of the league, despite the teams terrible finishes.

I’m just saying draft position clearly matters. For instance. The Los Angeles Kings drafted 13 players between 2006 - 2009 that played 200 or more games, they also drafted multiple times in the first and second rounds because they were rebuilding, including 11th-4th-2nd-5th overall. They took full advantage of the draft as they weren’t competing for the Stanley Cup. The Canucks were.
- Pacificgem

11 out of 19 picks to play 200 plus games for the Kings from the 06 draft to the 14 draft. Were outside of the 1st round.

They took full advantage of drafting really well, wherever they were picking.

Some teams are clearly better at drafting than others, despite draft position, the Canucks historically aren’t one of them. But to totally dismiss draft position you’re talking apples and oranges when comparing bottom teams to top teams during the same timeframes.

Clearly you don’t have access to the best kids in the top five or ten spots, who 95% of the time easily make the 200+ games, when you’re picking 24-30 every year.

Jim Benning has 275 games total from his second round picks and beyond, which has to be near the bottom of the league, despite the teams terrible finishes.
- Pacificgem

Demko 72
Tryamkin 79
Forslings 165
Brisebois 9
Gaudette 160
Lockwood 2
Lind 7
Gadjovich 1
Dipietro 2
Rathbone 8

Grand total of 505.

11 out of 19 picks to play 200 plus games for the Kings from the 06 draft to the 14 draft. Were outside of the 1st round.

They took full advantage of drafting really well, wherever they were picking.
- manvanfan

Yes, they built incredible depth in the 2nd & 3rd rounds as well as the later rounds, those guys were key to their two Cups.

Look at their drafting from 2006 to 2009, they had 38 picks, ten additional picks, including six first round picks, five second round picks and seven third round picks.

The Canucks finished second last and had six picks in 2016, three were in the sixth and seventh rounds, that’s a franchise killer right there and a major reason the franchise is still finishing bottom ten in the league.

No, he was talking about McTavish being a good pick at 9.
- Reubenkincade

Nobody ever talks about the guys I have higher ranked than consensus till after when they wonder how they fell so far.

Just wanted to make sure the candy ass crew understood what a good team is and what they look like.
A good blend of speed, skill and size, throughout the lineup.
In case some of that group thinks you win with a dozen or so smaller skill guys.
- Reubenkincade

Teams that play together & for each other & support each other will always go farther than ppl will give credit. It explains why ppl claim fluke or discredit teams & flip side think talent on paper is everything. Aka too simplistic.

Cupboards aren't bare, just not much high end left in there.

Being better at possessing the puck for the big club.
- manvanfan

Puck possession & retrieval the 2 biggest wants for me.

Demko 72
Tryamkin 79
Forslings 165
Brisebois 9
Gaudette 160
Lockwood 2
Lind 7
Gadjovich 1
Dipietro 2
Rathbone 8

Grand total of 504.
- manvanfan

Aah facts just luv it 😂👍

2 prospects that improve skating Lind & Gads would be a big help. Easier said than done but their skills & grit would make the future bottom 6 a fun bunch. Lockwood is worth watching. Organizational depth at C & RHD is a big sore spot. Need a prospect(s) to pop.

Yes, they built incredible depth in the 2nd & 3rd rounds as well as the later rounds, those guys were key to their two Cups.

Look at their drafting from 2006 to 2009, they had 38 picks, ten additional picks, including six first round picks, five second round picks and seven third round picks.

The Canucks finished second last and had six picks in 2016, three were in the sixth and seventh rounds, that’s a franchise killer right there and a major reason the franchise is still finishing bottom ten in the league.
- Pacificgem

If you listened to Malloy, he explained how if you aren't drafting well you are spending picks to get NHL talent. If you can't draft and have to spend on assets as well, you aren't leaving the bottom for a long (frank)en time.

People seem to think that 10 years of sucking at drafting is going to be erased in 7 years of better drafting, even though it's min. 3-4 years after a player being drafted NHL clubs expect them to just get near the NHL.

Still only looking at players from the 17' draft that are starting to show up.

Demko 72
Tryamkin 79
Forslings 165
Brisebois 9
Gaudette 160
Lockwood 2
Lind 7
Gadjovich 1
Dipietro 2
Rathbone 8

Grand total of 505.
- manvanfan

Perhaps you could figure out, of all the players that this management group has drafted, how many of those drafted players have played for the Canucks and how many games, and how many have played for other teams and how many games. That could be fun?

Demko 72
Tryamkin 79
Forslings 165
Brisebois 9
Gaudette 160
Lockwood 2
Lind 7
Gadjovich 1
Dipietro 2
Rathbone 8

Grand total of 505.
- manvanfan

You’re right, we were comparing Treliving’s drafting to Benning outside of the first round the other day and I came up with 274 or 275, must have been a stipulation they played for your team, which Forsling never did, math still doesn’t add up. Anyway, Treliving’s numbers beyond the first round are 522, which surprised a few I think.

Perhaps you could figure out, of all the players that this management group has drafted, how many of those drafted players have played for the Canucks and how many games, and how many have played for other teams and how many games. That could be fun?
- 1970vintage

Don't care.

If you listened to Malloy, he explained how if you aren't drafting well you are spending picks to get NHL talent. If you can't draft and have to spend on assets as well, you aren't leaving the bottom for a long (frank)en time.

People seem to think that 10 years of sucking at drafting is going to be erased in 7 years of better drafting, even though it's min. 3-4 years after a player being drafted NHL clubs expect them to just get near the NHL.

Still only looking at players from the 17' draft that are starting to show up.
- manvanfan

I get what he was saying, my point was, you’re clearly going to have a better chance of kids reaching the 200+ game mark if you’re drafting higher in the first and second rounds or you’re drafting multiple times in those rounds. The Canucks were pretty competitive from 2006 to 2013, on top of having a poor drafting GM/organization. Things that he didn’t touch on.

Still, you must be able to draft well in all rounds to ice a competitive team, not only the first round, see Edmonton and Vancouver for details.

You’re right, we were comparing Treliving’s drafting to Benning outside of the first round the other day and I came up with 274 or 275, must have been a stipulation they played for your team, which Forsling never did, math still doesn’t add up. Anyway, Treliving’s numbers beyond the first round are 522, which surprised a few I think.
- Pacificgem

738 games for Trev. That is solid drafting outside of the first round. Basically all from 5 players as well.

That's how you build and maintain hockey clubs.