I don't think that's a great idea. All it takes is an injury to Gibson that makes him miss ample time/the playoffs and now you're without one of your top offensive weapons. I'd look to FA or trade for a proven goalie where you're not trading top-line players.

Anaheim finished dead last in their division, so they want youth. If you're willing to piss away the next 2 years of draft picks, make it work. How about this year's 2nd, next years 1st, Marino, and Jarry? That's likely what it would be unless, as you said, you're moving Guentzel.
- jmatchett383

If we put our eggs in one goalie's basket, certainly the risk is there. However, I think the risk is also there that Jake has injury trouble throughout his career given his size. I try not to base my decisions on injury, but no doubt it is a factor.

I'm not willing to trade a 2nd and 1st in back to back years when we dont have a 3rd next year and no 1st this year. Sooner or later, we need to add to the prospect pool. I think your offer of 1st/2nd/Marino/Jarry for Gibson isnt an unreasonable offer. I'm not sure I'm willing to sell Marino low at this point though. Hence why I'd rather trade one piece like Jake for one piece like Gibson.

Sidenote, @Rinosaur, you being dead set on getting Toffoli last off-season is looking pretty good right now. I thought he'd be a bad contract and maybe eventually he will be, but he's had an amazing season.

Sidenote, @Rinosaur, you being dead set on getting Toffoli last off-season is looking pretty good right now. I thought he'd be a bad contract and maybe eventually he will be, but he's had an amazing season.
- Tojo.

Yeah, definitely a missed opportunity. Who knows, maybe this season will be an aberration and he'll regress hard next year, but it would have been helpful season for the Pens.

Sidenote, @Rinosaur, you being dead set on getting Toffoli last off-season is looking pretty good right now. I thought he'd be a bad contract and maybe eventually he will be, but he's had an amazing season.
- Tojo.

He’s definitely due for regression but even then it won’t be nearly as bad as the Anderson or Gallagher deals.

ANA is such hard team to read right now. What's their plan? Are they delusional to think they're a playoff team? Rebuild?

If they're going into a rebuild then a player like Jake makes little sense, and the level of futures it would probably take to get Gibson are a level the Pens don't have to offer. If they think they're going to make a competitive team, then yeah, I could see a deal centered around Jake/Gibson looking doable.

Would I do a Jake for Gibson deal? Depends on their plan to replace a first line winger.
- Rinosaur

An alternative would be to trade Rust for futures. Not sure what a 30g scorer with one year on a friendly contract would get you... but I'm sure it'd be a decent package. You could then package that trade haul with existing pieces to get Gibson.

Personally, I think they have to trade Rust this offseason and I wouldnt trade Jake and Rust.

Who could replace Jake/Rust? That's a tough question. I think Gibson's contract is around $6M like Jake's so it wouldnt free up much cap space. Maybe you go after a guy like Saad? He's played with some talented players before. I dont have a name, but they need a guy who can do the dirty work. Sid spent too much time doing the dirty work and not enough time getting open for a chance on net. We have missed Kunitz for several years on that line. We really underappreciated the kind of player Kunitz was. He was perfect for Sid.

An alternative would be to trade Rust for futures. Not sure what a 30g scorer with one year on a friendly contract would get you... but I'm sure it'd be a decent package. You could then package that trade haul with existing pieces to get Gibson.

Personally, I think they have to trade Rust this offseason and I wouldnt trade Jake and Rust.

Who could replace Jake/Rust? That's a tough question. I think Gibson's contract is around $6M like Jake's so it wouldnt free up much cap space. Maybe you go after a guy like Saad? He's played with some talented players before. I dont have a name, but they need a guy who can do the dirty work. Sid spent too much time doing the dirty work and not enough time getting open for a chance on net. We have missed Kunitz for several years on that line. We really underappreciated the kind of player Kunitz was. He was perfect for Sid.
- SuperHenderson13

I think the thing here is we really don't know what Pens players Hextall and Burke value and which they're willing/wanting to part with. They might like Rust's game better. They might feel they get more in a trade for Jake and have someone in mind in mind to replace him.

It's hard to know what they'll do since we have no precedent yet.

See above. If Geno's worried about injuries, you include signing bonuses to entice him. I kept the $22M total you wanted over 3 years. If he never plays another game, he'd still be entitled to $8M.

Edit: Were you saying sign him to a 1-year contract for $12M, then sign a second contract for $5M per? Because that's a terrible idea since they'd have to move significant pieces to fit that first year.
- jmatchett383

Yeah I gotcha now. My original post was with two separate contracts. A 1 yr and a 2yr. Obviously I was a bit facetious but why not if he was looking for money. Give him a ridiculous contract while on ltir for the season to not hurt the team then go team friendly. If I was gm I’d see if it would be legal/doable though. Might have to go knee him in the leg around December though so the lg doesn’t get suspicious.

Then yeah I misread your explanation missing the point of the salary change being within contract. Mental bandwidth is low today.

Yeah I gotcha now. My original post was with two separate contracts. A 1 yr and a 2yr. Obviously I was a bit facetious but why not if he was looking for money. Give him a ridiculous contract while on ltir for the season to not hurt the team then go team friendly. If I was gm I’d see if it would be legal/doable though. Might have to go knee him in the leg around December though so the lg doesn’t get suspicious.

Then yeah I misread your explanation missing the point of the salary change being within contract. Mental bandwidth is low today.
- 10inchTerror

I have a feeling that, if TB wins the Cup again, the NHLBOG is going to try to institute a rule about the LTIR all season and then play in the playoffs thing.

I have a feeling that, if TB wins the Cup again, the NHLBOG is going to try to institute a rule about the LTIR all season and then play in the playoffs thing.
- jmatchett383

Guaranteed. I bet enough Influential ppl are complaining just for the fact the the two highest scorers are kuch and stamkos. I imagine a simple rule like unless you are an Injury call up from the A that you need to play at least 1 regular season game to play in the playoffs.

Where would he play? I could see Carter- Kassian being a good duo on the 3rd. It seems like his personal troubles are behind him. I still don’t see a scenario where they acquire size and toughness and it doesn’t lead to a clash with Sullivan.
- Grinder47

GM and PoHO need to build the team in their own image. Sullivan isn’t their coach. I’m pretty neutral towards Sullivan, and Kassian isn’t the direction I want this team to go, but Hextall should not be overly concerned with keeping Sullivan happy when picking a direction for the team. If Sullivan doesn’t want to adapt, then a new coach can be found.

The calculus is different when you hire a coach to do something and communicate poorly about what he needs to accomplish what you agreed upon, but Sullivan is inherited and should be under as much evaluation as any of the players.

So I read a rumor that says LA wants to compete now (or VERY soon) and is looking for 2 top 6 wingers. Obviously Jake fits the bill, maybe Zucker too.

They have a lot of awesome, young prospects and certainly Hextall knows them all. Wonder if there are any deals to be made there?

So I read a rumor that says LA wants to compete now (or VERY soon) and is looking for 2 top 6 wingers. Obviously Jake fits the bill, maybe Zucker too.

They have a lot of awesome, young prospects and certainly Hextall knows them all. Wonder if there are any deals to be made there?
- MacPatty

Why is everyone trading Jake lol

Don't know what it would take to get Gibson but that would be an awesome grab. Zuckers salary would have to be moved somewhere or included in the deal. And at that point you are moving Jarry somewhere as well so Desmith would be the backup which I'm very ok with.

Why is everyone trading Jake lol
- 668710

I honestly have no idea... I would have never thought it, I'm just trying to be one of the cool kids now...

I think it's just natural. The Pens have bombed out a bunch of years in a row and everyone wants big changes... Jake just happens to be the most valuable trade chip to have fun with.

So I read a rumor that says LA wants to compete now (or VERY soon) and is looking for 2 top 6 wingers. Obviously Jake fits the bill, maybe Zucker too.

They have a lot of awesome, young prospects and certainly Hextall knows them all. Wonder if there are any deals to be made there?
- MacPatty

Very good chance they land Eichel.

Very good chance they land Eichel.
- Feds91Stammer

But...but..EK said he's staying with Quinn. Lmfao

Very good chance they land Eichel.
- Feds91Stammer

If any team has the assets its them. If I were them I don't know I would do it depending on the cost but they might be really hungry.

With Kopitar there already, Byfield is probably about ready, Turcotte is pretty close, Villardi is already a solid 3C, Kupari I think will be a really good player. Who do you give up for Eichel and where do the rest fit?

While talented, I'm not an Eichel fan so I would rather trade some of those prospects for scoring wingers and some better D. Just me personally though.

An alternative would be to trade Rust for futures. Not sure what a 30g scorer with one year on a friendly contract would get you... but I'm sure it'd be a decent package. You could then package that trade haul with existing pieces to get Gibson.

Personally, I think they have to trade Rust this offseason and I wouldnt trade Jake and Rust.

Who could replace Jake/Rust? That's a tough question. I think Gibson's contract is around $6M like Jake's so it wouldnt free up much cap space. Maybe you go after a guy like Saad? He's played with some talented players before. I dont have a name, but they need a guy who can do the dirty work. Sid spent too much time doing the dirty work and not enough time getting open for a chance on net. We have missed Kunitz for several years on that line. We really underappreciated the kind of player Kunitz was. He was perfect for Sid.
- SuperHenderson13

Pens should go after Saad anyways. I think he's the perfect bigger body that can play.

Pens should go after Saad anyways. I think he's the perfect bigger body that can play.
- j.boyd919

If there was ever a time for the Pens to bring in Saad like the fanbase has wanted for what seems like a century, it’s now. He’s what we wanted Zucker to be.

Heard Rossi on Madden today. It's Rossi but thought it was worth discussing.

The one thing he was adamant Malkin is planning to take a big discount to finish his career in Pittsburgh. Claimed he knew 3 years at 18-19 million total has been discussed. It will be put on hold because of the knee.

Much harder to figure out what Hextall and Burke want to do besides add some grit that can keep up.

May consider shopping Rust if they don't plan to extend him.

Know how hard it will be to add a bigger guy that can play with Sid. May consider moving a guy like Guentzel or Marino to get him.

Not convinced they stick with Jarry and would probably move him if they can. Expect at least a vet who can push him.

Heard Rossi on Madden today. It's Rossi but thought it was worth discussing.

The one thing he was adamant Malkin is planning to take a big discount to finish his career in Pittsburgh. Claimed he knew 3 years at 18-19 million total has been discussed. It will be put on hold because of the knee.

Much harder to figure out what Hextall and Burke want to do besides add sone grit that can keep up.

May consider shopping Rust if they don't plan to extend him.

Know how hard it will be to add a bigger guy that can play with Sid. May consider moving a guy like Guentzel or Marino to get him.

Not convinced they stick with Jarry and would probably move him if they can. Expect at least a vet who can push him.
- Tojo.

Interesting stuff. Definitely good to hear that on the Malkin part. I was off on the term, but I said around $7.5M.

I could see them moving Marino to get what they want then re-sign Ceci. I'd think if Marino is moved it's less likely they move Matheson to keep that offense.

Heard Rossi on Madden today. It's Rossi but thought it was worth discussing.

The one thing he was adamant Malkin is planning to take a big discount to finish his career in Pittsburgh. Claimed he knew 3 years at 18-19 million total has been discussed. It will be put on hold because of the knee.

Much harder to figure out what Hextall and Burke want to do besides add sone grit that can keep up.

May consider shopping Rust if they don't plan to extend him.

Know how hard it will be to add a bigger guy that can play with Sid. May consider moving a guy like Guentzel or Marino to get him.

Not convinced they stick with Jarry and would probably move him if they can. Expect at least a vet who can push him.
- Tojo.

If Malkin comes in at below $6.5 mil against the cap I wonder if people will STFU

If Malkin comes in at below $6.5 mil against the cap I wonder if people will STFU
- Victoro311

Guy has always been prone to the mental lapse and/or lack of discipline, but that his overall devotion to the organization has ever been questioned is pretty laughable. Same with the oh his injuries are because he’s lazy and doesn’t train narrative.

If Malkin comes in at below $6.5 mil against the cap I wonder if people will STFU
- Victoro311

Really? Are you new here?

If Malkin comes in at below $6.5 mil against the cap I wonder if people will STFU
- Victoro311

Nah. They’ll still be xenophobic