I see no point in spending the money or assets upgrading from Jarry unless it’s someone potentially elite.

So I think you have Rask as a UFA option though he tends to choke in big games.

You have Varlamov if someone can broker a 3 team deal for you.

You have Bishop if you want to go high risk.
- Feds91Stammer

Definitely don't want to go high risk on Bishop. Yeah, in a perfect world if he can stay healthy at his age he'd be great, but I don't trust his health.

I think Kuemper, while not elite, is an upgrade over Jarry IMO. I don't know what the Pens would have to add in Jarry swap, but I think it's worth looking into. If it were a one-4-one swap I'd do it and not look back.

Definitely don't want to go high risk on Bishop. Yeah, in a perfect world if he can stay healthy at his age he'd be great, but I don't trust his health.

I think Kuemper, while not elite, is an upgrade over Jarry IMO. I don't know what the Pens would have to add in Jarry swap, but I think it's worth looking into. If it were a one-4-one swap I'd do it and not look back.
- Rinosaur

Kuemper is probably a marginal upgrade at an extra $1m cap hit. Every penny counts.

Detroit trades Greiss for Varlamov so NYI can save some cap.

Detroit trades Bertuzzi and Varlamov for Kapanen and Jarry.

Kuemper is probably a marginal upgrade at an extra $1m cap hit. Every penny counts.

Detroit trades Greiss for Varlamov so NYI can save some cap.

Detroit trades Bertuzzi and Varlamov for Kapanen and Jarry.
- Feds91Stammer

I think Kapanen was one of the best Pens' forwards down the stretch and meshes well with Geno. I don't think the Pens should let him go.

I think Kapanen was one of the best Pens' forwards down the stretch and meshes well with Geno. I don't think the Pens should let him go.
- Rinosaur

You’re not helping my plan to get Detroit to 75 points next season.

You’re not helping my plan to get Detroit to 75 points next season.
- Feds91Stammer

How about instead of Kapanen, you take Riikola, Poulin and a 2nd for Bert? I mean, you'll be in the race for 1st overall again before you know it.

How about instead of Kapanen, you take Riikola, Poulin and a 2nd for Bert? I mean, you'll be in the race for 1st overall again before you know it.
- Rinosaur

No.

No.
- Feds91Stammer

Um... please?

Um... please?
- Rinosaur

If you make the 2nd an unprotected 2022 1st then maybe.

If you make the 2nd an unprotected 2022 1st then maybe.
- Feds91Stammer

That's a bigger ask considering the Pens could possibly be in the running for a 1st in 2022 lol. If you want the 2022 1st, we need your 2022 2nd from WSH.

The racist dude that wrote about the leafs in the coyotes blog you mean?
- Feds91Stammer

That dude was a clown.

That's a bigger ask considering the Pens could possibly be in the running for a 1st in 2022 lol. If you want the 2022 1st, we need your 2022 2nd from WSH.
- Rinosaur

Nah. You’re giving me a pile of garbage for a top line winger. You can have the VGK 2021 3rd.

Nah. You’re giving me a pile of garbage for a top line winger. You can have the VGK 2021 3rd.
- Feds91Stammer

What about if we add one of our goalie prospects. We do have two good ones now. Blomqvist or Clang.

What about if we add one of our goalie prospects. We do have two good ones now. Blomqvist or Clang.
- Rinosaur

(frank) goalies.

Kuemper is probably a marginal upgrade at an extra $1m cap hit. Every penny counts.

Detroit trades Greiss for Varlamov so NYI can save some cap.

Detroit trades Bertuzzi and Varlamov for Kapanen and Jarry.
- Feds91Stammer

I would think the Pens would do that Detroit trade. The Bertuzzi injury makes it pretty risky from the Pens side but I think if both are healthy, Kap and Bert are about even and Varlamov stands as a pretty significant upgrade over Jarry.

I think to compensate for the Bertuzzi risk (and the fact he is likely going to command more than Kap in his RFA contract) I would request that Detroit retain half of Varlamov's salary.

Zucker is no Kunitz. Then few players are.

Of all our wings, I see Zucker as the most physical with good hands and has a bit of a mean streak. All the attributes I liked in Kunitz. No wing we have comes close to playing the game the way Kunitz did. Zucker is the only wing with any type of mean streak, the rest are just pretty boys.

Tanev is nuts, he's in a category all his own.
- Thunderbolt

This is probably true about Zucker being the grittiest wing in the top 9. What a low bar.

I still think the Pens wind up with Kassian and if Zucker doesn't get selected in the draft, I could see him going to EDM for Kassian and futures. Not saying I like or want that, but I could see Hextall doing something like that.

I see no point in spending the money or assets upgrading from Jarry unless it’s someone potentially elite.

So I think you have Rask as a UFA option though he tends to choke in big games.

You have Varlamov if someone can broker a 3 team deal for you.

You have Bishop if you want to go high risk.
- Feds91Stammer

I think it would be really hard to cone back with the sane goal-tending. We'd be waiting all year to see if Jarry choked again.

I think it would be really hard to cone back with the sane goal-tending. We'd be waiting all year to see if Jarry choked again.
- Tojo.

Agreed but at the same time it doesn’t make sense to make lateral movements. They’re definitely in a weird spot goalie wise.

I would think the Pens would do that Detroit trade. The Bertuzzi injury makes it pretty risky from the Pens side but I think if both are healthy, Kap and Bert are about even and Varlamov stands as a pretty significant upgrade over Jarry.

I think to compensate for the Bertuzzi risk (and the fact he is likely going to command more than Kap in his RFA contract) I would request that Detroit retain half of Varlamov's salary.
- MacPatty

That’s fair.

So looking at FA goalies. I'm not sure which ones the Pens should take a look at or what they may cost.

-Drieger: Possible late bloomer. 27 years old with a very small sample size. How much did he inflate his value this year? IMO the biggest gamble.

-Mrazek: Wildly inconsistent, but when he's on he's awesome. He's an upgrade over Jarry, but is he THAT much of an upgrade? I don't know I'd go more than $2.5M for one year. No idea what he will command. Mrazek seems like the safest gamble, but does he really move the needle?

-Ullmark: A diamond in the rough? His numbers are impressive relative to playing in Buffalo. Never played a full season, so is he worth gambling on as a starter? I'd think he comes in at $2M or less for a one year deal.

-Smith: Definitely the second biggest gamble to Drieger given his age, but it's hard to ignore what he did behind a poop defense in EDM.

-Rask: I can't imagine Boston lets him go and even if they did, I still think teams will overpay for him

-Andresen: No thank you

-Raanta: Meh

Looking at trades:

-MAF: Does Vegas move on from him regardless of what happens? Can the Pens get him with Vegas retaining half?

-Lehner: Does Vegas move on from him and stay with MAF? What would he cost the Pens.

-Quick: Does he have anything left if he played behind a better team? LA would obviously have to eat half.

-Kuemper: A Jarry/Kuemper swap? I like him the most I think out of any option that makes sense financially along with what he may cost the Pens in trade.
- Rinosaur

I'm going all in on John Gibson. If we are going to change goalies, I am going for an elite goalie capable of stealing games. I think that has to be the formula for the rest of the Crosby era. We cant expect Crosby/Malkin/Letang to steal a series for us, we need a goalie capable of stealing games. I dont want Montreal to win, but I really like Price. He's been standing on his head for his whole career. It's fun to see a guy like him make a run.

What would the price be for Gibson? I'd say Jake is the only piece that makes sense. Who has to add what to make it work is up for debate. But if you give up Jake, you are giving up probably 10-15 goals compared to his replacement. I think we can afford to score less goals if it means giving up less goals.

I'm going all in on John Gibson. If we are going to change goalies, I am going for an elite goalie capable of stealing games. I think that has to be the formula for the rest of the Crosby era. We cant expect Crosby/Malkin/Letang to steal a series for us, we need a goalie capable of stealing games. I dont want Montreal to win, but I really like Price. He's been standing on his head for his whole career. It's fun to see a guy like him make a run.

What would the price be for Gibson? I'd say Jake is the only piece that makes sense. Who has to add what to make it work is up for debate. But if you give up Jake, you are giving up probably 10-15 goals compared to his replacement. I think we can afford to score less goals if it means giving up less goals.
- SuperHenderson13

I don't think that's a great idea. All it takes is an injury to Gibson that makes him miss ample time/the playoffs and now you're without one of your top offensive weapons. I'd look to FA or trade for a proven goalie where you're not trading top-line players.

Anaheim finished dead last in their division, so they want youth. If you're willing to piss away the next 2 years of draft picks, make it work. How about this year's 2nd, next years 1st, Marino, and Jarry? That's likely what it would be unless, as you said, you're moving Guentzel.

I'm going all in on John Gibson. If we are going to change goalies, I am going for an elite goalie capable of stealing games. I think that has to be the formula for the rest of the Crosby era. We cant expect Crosby/Malkin/Letang to steal a series for us, we need a goalie capable of stealing games. I dont want Montreal to win, but I really like Price. He's been standing on his head for his whole career. It's fun to see a guy like him make a run.

What would the price be for Gibson? I'd say Jake is the only piece that makes sense. Who has to add what to make it work is up for debate. But if you give up Jake, you are giving up probably 10-15 goals compared to his replacement. I think we can afford to score less goals if it means giving up less goals.
- SuperHenderson13

ANA is such hard team to read right now. What's their plan? Are they delusional to think they're a playoff team? Rebuild?

If they're going into a rebuild then a player like Jake makes little sense, and the level of futures it would probably take to get Gibson are a level the Pens don't have to offer. If they think they're going to make a competitive team, then yeah, I could see a deal centered around Jake/Gibson looking doable.

Would I do a Jake for Gibson deal? Depends on their plan to replace a first line winger.

I'm going all in on John Gibson. If we are going to change goalies, I am going for an elite goalie capable of stealing games. I think that has to be the formula for the rest of the Crosby era. We cant expect Crosby/Malkin/Letang to steal a series for us, we need a goalie capable of stealing games. I dont want Montreal to win, but I really like Price. He's been standing on his head for his whole career. It's fun to see a guy like him make a run.

What would the price be for Gibson? I'd say Jake is the only piece that makes sense. Who has to add what to make it work is up for debate. But if you give up Jake, you are giving up probably 10-15 goals compared to his replacement. I think we can afford to score less goals if it means giving up less goals.
- SuperHenderson13

It does indeed seem like a perfect match, bringing Gibson back home to Pittsburgh. If you did move Jake for him the stars could fully align and you could also pick up Saad in free agency.

It would be tough to give up Jake though. I know everyone is down on him but he is basically a top line PPG winger on a pretty good contract. I'd be trying pretty hard to get Jarry in that trade going the other way and have someone like Terry coming back to Pittsburgh.

Even if he wants 10+? Really want to pay a guy over 35 who is banged up all the time?
- sammy87

Give geno an 12m 1 yr if he agrees to a 5m 2 yr afterwards. Ltir him till the playoffs. Everybody wins.

Now what can we do with tanger... any good ideas?

Give geno an 12m 1 yr if he agrees to a 5m 2 yr afterwards. Ltir him till the playoffs. Everybody wins.
- 10inchTerror