Oh I grew up around hardcore UF and FSU people. They all came and went depending on the CF success.
- Feds91Stammer

Those two schools are fairly new money as well. Miami too. But they cut their bones by winning and then staying relevant. It's up in the air for Clemson if they can continue to do things once the Dabo era over. Hell, its up in the air if Clemson could continue their success if Venables and Eliott left. Dabo is a complete dumb ass, he's just an electric human that can recruit like a mother (frank)er and inspire loyalty. The on field magic is in the coordinators. His tenure was fairly mediocre until he got those guys on staff, and now it appears he has complete buy in from them as they keep declining HC interviews. Which, I mean, is the whole reason Dabo is great. But the point still stands that if its just Dabo or if Dabo retires or leaves for Bama, can Clemson sustain any semblance of success? I don't think so.

Those two schools are fairly new money as well. Miami too. But they cut their bones by winning and then staying relevant. It's up in the air for Clemson if they can continue to do things once the Dabo era over. Hell, its up in the air if Clemson could continue their success if Venables and Eliott left. Dabo is a complete dumb ass, he's just an electric human that can recruit like a mother (frank)er and inspire loyalty. The on field magic is in the coordinators. His tenure was fairly mediocre until he got those guys on staff, and now it appears he has complete buy in from them as they keep declining HC interviews. Which, I mean, is the whole reason Dabo is great. But the point still stands that if its just Dabo or if Dabo retires or leaves for Bama, can Clemson sustain any semblance of success? I don't think so.
- Victoro311

Dabo has the power of Jesus lol

Dabo has the power of Jesus lol
- Feds91Stammer

The secret to college success is being a CEO coach and just bringing in the best staff you possibly can and giving them complete Xs and Os power. Orgeron perfected it for one season, but Dabo's been the most consistent at it. I'd say that Saban is the best at this, but I think he has legitimate tactician chops and predates the CEO trend and gets elite staffs because he's seriously that respected. I think the two actual tactician savants in the game are Meyer and to a lesser extent Chris Peterson, neither which are active right now. In CFB, at least.

And this is mostly why I hate Kelly. He's so arrogent with his system that he just hires yes men to run the offense and has no interest in hiring a top OC to run a legit offense. And he also killed a kid.

Flower let in that softie but he absolutely stole the rest of that game

Mark Stone baby

I wonder what the Avs would want for whichever of Toews or Girard they can't protect. We could definitely use a 3rd defenseman worth protecting.
- Tojo.

That’s what I say. Marino for whichever of the two.

Flower let in that softie but he absolutely stole the rest of that game

Mark Stone baby
- TheGame316

so very fleury

That’s what I say. Marino for whichever of the two.
- 10inchTerror

EJ likely waives his NMC and they protect Graves Toews Girard and Makar.

The secret to college success is being a CEO coach and just bringing in the best staff you possibly can and giving them complete Xs and Os power. Orgeron perfected it for one season, but Dabo's been the most consistent at it. I'd say that Saban is the best at this, but I think he has legitimate tactician chops and predates the CEO trend and gets elite staffs because he's seriously that respected. I think the two actual tactician savants in the game are Meyer and to a lesser extent Chris Peterson, neither which are active right now. In CFB, at least.

And this is mostly why I hate Kelly. He's so arrogent with his system that he just hires yes men to run the offense and has no interest in hiring a top OC to run a legit offense. And he also killed a kid.
- Victoro311

I hate Harbaugh for similar reasons. Dude is arrogant as (frank) and won’t let the OC just do their job.

EJ likely waives his NMC and they protect Graves Toews Girard and Makar.
- Feds91Stammer

You think they do a protect 4? I don't know why EJ wouldn't waive as they likely don't take him anyway but I agree with the concept of using Marino to bring back a better D man we have room to protect. I really like Graves, Toews and Girard but arent they all LD? Pens really need to find a taker for Pettersson.

You think they do a protect 4? I don't know why EJ wouldn't waive as they likely don't take him anyway but I agree with the concept of using Marino to bring back a better D man we have room to protect. I really like Graves, Toews and Girard but arent they all LD? Pens really need to find a taker for Pettersson.
- MacPatty

More than likely. Mackinnon Rantanen Jost and one of Burskovsky Donskoi Kadri up front. The D are more valuable than the forwards you would expose and cost controlled for longer.

More than likely. Mackinnon Rantanen Jost and one of Burskovsky Donskoi Kadri up front. The D are more valuable than the forwards you would expose and cost controlled for longer.
- Feds91Stammer

Fair point. I was thinking along the lines of the other post where they might just leave Graves exposed, or at least put him on the block where you could send Marino the other way.

Fair point. I was thinking along the lines of the other post where they might just leave Graves exposed, or at least put him on the block where you could send Marino the other way.
- MacPatty

Could make sense but I’m not so sure teams are all that interested in Marino after this season.

Could make sense but I’m not so sure teams are all that interested in Marino after this season.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm not overly interested in him taking up 4.5 mill of the cap if he looks like he did most of this past regular season. In these past playoffs, 6 games, his underlying numbers are far better than regular season....but he was majorly sheltered.

I'm not overly interested in him taking up 4.5 mill of the cap if he looks like he did most of this past regular season. In these past playoffs, 6 games, his underlying numbers are far better than regular season....but he was majorly sheltered.
- MattStrat

Hopefully it is just a sophmore slump, but JR gave him a contract assuming he was going to take a big step forward. I still like him and think that with a good offseason, he can come out and be a legit 2nd pair D. That being said, he has trade value especially for a team that has an extra good D they can't protect.

I just really want to see that left D group get cleaned up. Hoping we can move on from Pettersson and get at least one D in the lineup who is physical.

NHLPA would fight any thing like this.
- Blackstrom2

The NHL can make any rules up that they want.

The NHLPA loved its backdiving contracts. However, when the Devils signed Kovalchuk (which was a perfectly legal contact at the time), the NHL didn't approve the contract, assessed penalties to the Devils, and instituted the cap recapture penalty for contracts that had already been signed.

If the NHL wants to make a rule out of thin air, they can.

EJ likely waives his NMC and they protect Graves Toews Girard and Makar.
- Feds91Stammer

Hmm different then anything I've read so far. Don't know if EJ waives though I'd agree they should protect 4. They also have Bowden to take a spot, but I agree if I were them I wouldn't want to leave Girard or Toews exposed.

You think they do a protect 4? I don't know why EJ wouldn't waive as they likely don't take him anyway but I agree with the concept of using Marino to bring back a better D man we have room to protect. I really like Graves, Toews and Girard but arent they all LD? Pens really need to find a taker for Pettersson.
- MacPatty

Yeah it does put them in a short term pickle because they don't need a LD. They just need just need some kind of future top pair D with Letang and Dumo aging plus Dumoulin's contract up soon.

Hmm different then anything I've read so far. Don't know if EJ waives though I'd agree they should protect 4. They also have Bowden to take a spot, but I agree if I were them I wouldn't want to leave Girard or Toews exposed.
- Tojo.

If he doesn’t waive he gets bought out.

That’s what I say. Marino for whichever of the two.
- 10inchTerror

So your argument for Colorado is to trade a defenseman they can't protect for a defenseman they can't protect?

If EJ waives his NMC, they'll likely want players that don't need to be protected or picks, unless they're cool with exposing him and losing him for nothing.

So your argument for Colorado is to trade a defenseman they can't protect for a defenseman they can't protect?

If EJ waives his NMC, they'll likely want players that don't need to be protected or picks, unless they're cool with exposing him and losing him for nothing.
- jmatchett383

Marino is exempt…

Marino is exempt…
- Feds91Stammer

In that case, I wouldn't trade him before the ED. That's expansion draft gold right there.

Edit: Possible exceptions if it's a big upgrade.

In that case, I wouldn't trade him before the ED. That's expansion draft gold right there.
- jmatchett383

You would be getting a more established player in return and exposing Pettersson and Matheson is ideal.

In that case, I wouldn't trade him before the ED. That's expansion draft gold right there.

Edit: Possible exceptions if it's a big upgrade.
- jmatchett383

The reason you do it is because the Pens have no D to protect. The thought is that you would trade for an upgrade on Pettersson and Matheson to a team that is going to lose someone they can't protect. Just asset protection.

I think we should be considering paying Seattle to take Petterson so I certainly don't care to protect him or Matheson.

The reason you do it is because the Pens have no D to protect. The thought is that you would trade for an upgrade on Pettersson and Matheson to a team that is going to lose someone they can't protect. Just asset protection.

I think we should be considering paying Seattle to take Petterson so I certainly don't care to protect him or Matheson.
- MacPatty

But if you trade Marino, you're upgrading Marino, not Petterson/Matheson.

But if you trade Marino, you're upgrading Marino, not Petterson/Matheson.
- jmatchett383

If it were a trade to Colorado those players mentioned are LD so it would be upgrading over petts/math and then they would need to find a 2RD replacement still or could resign ceci hopefully and find a 3RD