27. K. How many times a game on pp is puck sent to Jake and he fumbled it out of zone or dipsy doodles and throws pass somewhere where puck gets sent out of zone? 27 giveaways. Ok. He has 1 to 2 almost every pp. I could care less how the stat it. How many years you have to see that?
- Im back

You're talking anecdotes here.

But if you look at the actual numbers, dudes like Marner, Gaudreau, Aho and Tavares are turning over the puck at twice the rate that Jake does per 60 mins. Good two-way players like Crosby and Matthews also have way higher turnover rates per 60.

Turning pucks over is a byproduct of playmaking.

Jake's turnovers/60 is in line w/ dudes like TJ Oshie, Jordan Staal, Lindholm, RNH and Brock Nelson. Are those players that come to mind as turnover machines?

Disagree... Hayes playing 2nd line center or even 3rd line center playing 2pp and major roll on pk and defensive game situations if slotted properly and with a true 1c (none of this 70 point not clutch coots crap) works fine. So for example
Eichel
Hayes or

Young talent1c( not Barzal but someone like)
Coots
Hayes

Obviously the cap $ in either scenario is about the same for example1 (10 mil+7mil)
Example 2 (5mil+7mil+ young high end talent on younger contract still.

The problem is we don’t have the young cheaper talent(thanks whiff on nopa) and coots isn’t worth the high end contract. If paying Hayes (as soon say) 7 mil is too much then what is paying coots gonna be? Because coots is gonna get 8-9mil for doing basically same as Hayes? Can’t have 2 contracts like that. Throws cap out of whack.

Moving coots now is the obvious play as his value is high. The longer we wait the less his value. Actually should’ve traded him last year.
- Im back

If you think Hayes is on the same level as Coots in any way, then I have no idea what to say to you.

Huge fan of when people are wrong, shown they are wrong by a stat, then say they saw this or that and don’t care about what the stat says.

Huge fan of when people are wrong, shown they are wrong by a stat, then say they saw this or that and don’t care about what the stat says.
- Ftown19125

I would take any of the 4 player Tavares aho Johnny etc over Jake any day. They produce in clutch way more than Jake. Can’t compare Jake to them

I would take any of the 4 player Tavares aho Johnny etc over Jake any day. They produce in clutch way more than Jake. Can’t compare Jake to them
- Im back

I didn’t. I just said he doesn’t have 5 turnovers for every point he gets. He doesn’t even have 1 turnover for every point he gets apparently.

I would take any of the 4 player Tavares aho Johnny etc over Jake any day. They produce in clutch way more than Jake. Can’t compare Jake to them
- Im back

Tavares and Johnny who are clutch?

You're offering to replace one of the most productive wingers in the league w/ Brandon Saad and kid to be named later?

And York literally just turned pro...
- Tomahawk

If you are referring to Jake as one of the most productive wingers in the league, today, you need to take off the orange and black glasses. He is a liability, plain and simple!